Information Pool & Analysis on Pakistan's AF Aspiration for Su-35 / Su-35S - FLANKER-E

[maximuswarrior]

So Pakistan would not be interested in the technology of F22?

You are interested but also not interested because grapes are sour.

LOL You can't even provide an official source. You are just making empty claims.

Pakistan isn't interested in F-22. Had it been interested, it would have approached the Americans. Again, stop fabricating stuff to suit your narrative which is very weak by the way.

Just admit it. You are having a hard time dealing with the fact that your own Rafale deal isn't going well. The Russians had pitched their fighter, but you rejected it and went for Rafale. Now, Pakistan is cashing in and you cannot fathom it.

 

[Shakuni & Ravan]

Who said Pakistan is interested in F-22? Provide a source. Stop making up stuff to suit your own narrative. Obviously it is a bitter pill for many Indians that Pakistan is in negotiation with Russia. Indians think they have the Russians in their back pocket. You don't.

You don't own Russia. Russia is an independent nation and can decide for itself whether to sell hardware to other nations. India cannot blackmail Russia. Deal with it.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1246419

Russians are smart, but right now in financial crisis of negative growth as of western sanctions.In the mean time russians are not that idiots not to align with india even though better Indo-US relation.I am not telling that there is any relation with Russia-Pakistan, but pakistan do not have much weightage in world stage so for russia to choose pakistan instead of india.
We still enjoy projects like Nuclear power plants,aircraft carrier,space etc...and pakistan heavily depends on chinese on every matter and not russian and so they don't have much space in defense market though you may get some patrol boats,non lethal choppers etc...

 

[maximuswarrior]

Why would Pakistan make an official source of being interested in F22 but unable to buy because of lack of money. You people surely don't want to become a joke.

LOL Says the guy who fabricates stuff and cannot provide one single official source. The irony is that this forum is filled with official Russian sources regarding the Su-35 deal between Pakistan and Russia. Yet, you Indians are in denial. Hide your head like an ostrich. We don't care.

 

[FRF]

All talks are almost always fruitful. There will never come a time when we actually see su-35's flying in Pakistani airspace, with a Pakistani flag painted on it's side. It's pointless, Many talks have been held the only outcome that comes out is talks breaking down at the very end..

 

[maximuswarrior]

http://www.dawn.com/news/1246419

Russians are smart, but right now in financial crisis of negative growth as of western sanctions.In the mean time russians are not that idiots not to align with india even though better Indo-US relation.I am not telling that there is any relation with Russia-Pakistan, but pakistan do not have much weightage in world stage so for russia to choose pakistan instead of india.
We still enjoy projects like Nuclear power plants,aircraft carrier,space etc...and pakistan heavily depends on chinese on every matter and not russian and so they don't have much space in defense market though you may get some patrol boats,non lethal choppers etc...

Stop comparing apples with oranges. You cannot hold Russia hostage only because you think you are important. So what if you are buying their hardware, enjoying nuclear projects etc. Like I said, Russia is an independent country and can decide for itself who it will sell its hardware to. India cannot dictate to Russia that just because it buys its hardware or has other ongoing joint ventures it cannot sell to XYZ. It doesn't work like that.

Russia also understands that India is picking and choosing to its liking. India is playing a double game by nodding yes to the West (the US in particular) and shunning Russia in the process. India cannot have it both ways. Yes, the Russians are very smart and that is the reason why they are interested in talks with Pakistan regarding the Su-35. This is confirmed. Now, stop making up conspiracy theories and excuses to deny these facts.

Russia also understands the importance of Pakistan in this region. Russian eagerness to join CPEC and other projects speaks volume.

Whatever you do with Russia is your business and Pakistan doesn't care neither b!tch about it. Be a grownup and act in similar fashion. Stop telling others what they can and cannot do. That's not for you to decide.

 

[Shakuni & Ravan]

Stop comparing apples with oranges. You cannot hold Russia hostage only because you think you are important. So what if you are buying their hardware, enjoying nuclear projects etc. Like I said, Russia is an independent country and can decide for itself who it will sell its hardware to. India cannot dictate to Russia that just because it buys its hardware it cannot sell to XYZ.

Russia also understands that India is picking and choosing to its liking. India is playing a double game by nodding yes to the West and the US in particular and shunning Russia in the process. India cannot have it both ways. Yes, the Russians are very smart and that is the reason why they are interested in talks with Pakistan regarding the Su-35. This is confirmed. Now, stop making up conspiracy theories and excuses to deny these facts.

Whatever you do with Russia is your business and Pakistan doesn't care neither b!tch about it. Be a grownup and act in similar fashion.

First prove at least that putin going to visit pakistan soon and then talk big....

This is the putin video conference recently with one of the big project in india

Your country is not that significant to be considered Russia as your ally/friend/brother, you name it.....

 

[maximuswarrior]

Keep thinking what ever you want.
You have already become a joke buy saying ''Pakistan is interested in Su35''

Your planers might have thought just like second hand F16s from UAE or jORDAN we could buy second hand Su35. But there are no second hand Su35 as of today.

Do you even know it is not single seater and requires enough fuel than one JF17 or F-16.

neither you have enoug fuel facilities nor the maintenance cost nor the training.
What you guys are thinking is, we will shout Su35, but we will buy Su27, and ask Chinese to maintain it for you. But then even Su27 is a beast and requires extensive maintenance and cost.

Mazak thodi hai!

This thread is about Su-35 and not about how much fuel a JF-17 or F-16 consumes. Stop acting like a terrible salesman. You suck at it.

Do you think the engineers and decision makers at PAF are toddlers? Don't you think they have already figured out these things? They are still interested in Su-35 and that says something. Stop acting like some professional. You don't know the ABC of fighter jets. You are at best a butt hurt Indian fanboy who cannot acknowledge the fact that Pakistan is in talks with Russia for these fighters.

Now, provide me a source which proves that Pakistan is interested in F-22. I'm waiting.

First prove at least that putin going to visit pakistan soon and then talk big....

This is the putin video conference recently with one of the big project in india

Your country is not that significant to be considered Russia as your ally/friend/brother, you name it.....

Proof:

Pakistan in Talks With Russia on Purchase of Su-35 Jets

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20160905/1044975853/pakistan-russia-ambassador-su35.html

Who the fvck cares about big projects in India? This thread is about Su-35 and not about some crappy project in India. Stay on topic. India cannot even feed its people. It is aiming for mars, but its people are killed because they are eating cow meat. Just read the newspaper in your country today. Get real.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Yes the thread about Su-35, your country does not have money to buy f16 which US give you almost 1 month time to get it on market price, but you failed to purchase and now you are talking Su-35 with Russia come on man, make some sense what you are telling...By the way dear russian are not that rich especially these days under economic sanctions to give you every thing free or cheap rate and that too against indian wishes.

You change the subject with beef shows hot air and nothing else...

It is silly to link the F16 deal with SU35 or any other platform for that matter. F16 deal was proposed by yanks themselves and when they backtracked on this offer after committing to Pakistan, we simply ignored it. Nothing to do with the non availability of the money. We were/are looking for the likes of SU35s or similar platform for long range and high enduring missions to secure our sea lines specially when CPEC is kicking in.

 

[Hephaestus]

Pakistan Air Force Chief of Staff had fruitful talks in Moscow in July on purchasing of Russian Su-35 fighter jets.



MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Chief of Air Staff of the Pakistan Air Force Sohail Aman had "fruitful talks" in Moscow in July on purchasing of Russian Su-35 (NATO reporting name: Flanker-E) fighter jets, Pakistani Ambassador to Russia Qazi Khalilullah told Sputnik.

"Chief of Air Staff Marshal Sohail Aman had fruitful talks with the Russian partners on this issue in July," Khalilullah said answering a question on whether Islamabad could purchase the Su-35 aircraft.

According to the official, the Pakistani Air Force "is considering different options of deepening cooperation with Russia."



Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/201...tan-russia-ambassador-su35.html#ixzz4JPUoaedF

In geo-politics everything is possible. If India can buy fighters from US. Then Pakistan can buy jets from Russia. I don't see anything wrong in it a little surprising but nothing wrong.

What my real question is. Is this bird a good option for PAF. I have heard they come at more than a 100 mil a pop.

How is PAF going to maintain them?
Spare parts?
What are the flying costs?

From a purely cost angle I don't think PAF would ever go for this. But, Russians will talk 'em up. They need to rattle India a bit. I wont be surprised though if they buy a few.

 

[wiseone2]

LOL You can't even provide an official source. You are just making empty claims.

Pakistan isn't interested in F-22. Had it been interested, it would have approached the Americans. Again, stop fabricating stuff to suit your narrative which is very weak by the way.

Just admit it. You are having a hard time dealing with the fact that your own Rafale deal isn't going well. The Russians had pitched their fighter, but you rejected it and went for Rafale. Now, Pakistan is cashing in and you cannot fathom it.

why wouldn't any country be interested in the f-22 ? it is not available to anyone which makes the interest moot

 

[aftab_s81]

I think Su35s will be very difficult to maintain compared to F-16s. I find this deal unrealistic and maintenance nightmare for Pakistan. Also Pakistan has not got enormous amount to keep a large fleet. I think the best bet is to purchase some used F-16s from international market. Meanwhile strenghening JF-17 program. I see no other realistic option. May be later on (5-8 years time period), we may have J-31 in some shape.

 

[litman]

it will be a surprise to see su 35 in paf colors. there are so many reasons for it
1. cost of these jets
2. russian relations with india. russia will back down under indian pressure.
3. maintenance of these jets
4. infrastructure and tarmacs at paf bases will have to be developed accordingly. the structures currently at paf bases are not big enough to shelter these huge jets.
right now paf cant afford any jet other then J 10. they can't afford costly european jets.

 

[Shakuni & Ravan]

It is silly to link the F16 deal with SU35 or any other platform for that matter. F16 deal was proposed by yanks themselves and when they backtracked on this offer after committing to Pakistan, we simply ignored it. Nothing to do with the non availability of the money. We were/are looking for the likes of SU35s or similar platform for long range and high enduring missions to secure our sea lines specially when CPEC is kicking in.

It is not silly to compare f16 with su35.Here is the link what happened to the deal and the US already told that you can get f16 only on market price and not subsidised rate.Your own ministers expressed dissapointment on decision and told that you will go other source if the deal not materialize(If not get f16 on subsidised rate).At least for face saving, you have to get the jets on market price, but your govt does not have the money, it is as simple as that....

 

[WaLeEdK2]

It is not silly to compare f16 with su35.Here is the link what happened to the deal and the US already told that you can get f16 only on market price and not subsidised rate.Your own ministers expressed dissapointment on decision and told that you will go other source if the deal not materialize(If not get f16 on subsidised rate).At least for face saving, you have to get the jets on market price, but your govt does not have the money, it is as simple as that....

We have the money to buy 8 jets but it was decided that it wouldn't be worth it to pay that much for it.

 

[Shakuni & Ravan]

We have the money to buy 8 jets but it was decided that it wouldn't be worth it to pay that much for it.

If you know the price then why you were negotiating for many months with US.You can decide to cancel at the beginning if cost not suits you.US already told many times that they are not interested to sell f16 by tax payers money.They don't make such statement if you already decided to buy the jets at market price.

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