India's anti ballistic missile capabilities

[Kinetic]

I already discussed this. You're a typical internet keyboard warrior whose logic is that if something is in the public then its true and if its not in public then its false. The fact of the matter is Pakistan has been working on MIRV for a while now and several authentic people have discussed that Shaheen II may very well have been MIRVed or will be MIRVed soon.

Now you can be a typical keyboard warrior and talk all big and say that since its not in public, it must be false. But considering that Pakistan military has a history of secrecy (to an extent), the big talk won't help when you have MIRVs heading towards Delhi in a war. I am sure those working at RAW aren't as stupid as this.

@XiNiX - I don't care about India's capabilities here.

@lionheart1 - clearly by your reply, your a cross between a troll and a keyboard warrior, so I will not waste time here.

Seems like I have wasted few minutes on you. Same worthless staffs. You put some imaginary staffs based on some defence forum and if anyone question about it or asks for source, he become a 'internet fanboy'. lol OK 'non-internet warrior' be happy with you imaginative staffs.

 

[Kinetic]

3 fairly straight forward points:

Maneuvering Missiles: A missile usually corrects itself with inputs from GPS system to have optimal CEP. Shaheen 2 does not have the capability to detect an anti missile on its own to take "evasive" maneuvers. If one is to believe that it can take inputs from ground control then, ground control should also have info of the anti missile to know when to submit inputs.

Good reply. I don't think any of the countries in Asia has such intelligent missile. We can simply deploy decoys and do some pre programmed maneuver trying to evade ABM systems. Again high maneuver at extreme speed at which BMs fly required sentential new techs like Shaurya.

Even if the super shaheen 2 can out maneuver itself into a trajectory that is impossible for the anti missile to calculate, what are the chances that the CEP standards are met? If it does not hit the intended area, its still a thumsup for the ABM since the missile did not hit where it is supposed to!

Ballistic Missile Trajectory predictions are not a mystery, so also the so called maneuvers of the target missiles. Both missiles have their own limitations and the success is highly dependent on how fast the target can be detected [please read point 2].

Rite. Now with ground based long range radars, AEROSTATs, AWACS and satellite based early warning its almost impossible to hide from detections. Because the missile either follows ballistic or cruise trajectory radars are there to track it. New Russian Bulava missile does some kind of extreme maneuvers, half of its trajectory is ballistic and another half is like a cruise missile or some kind of quasi-ballistic missile. But even that missile can't remain undetected.

The Indian system is deployed at 2 tiers and can employ more than one missile at a time to counter the target!

Detection and Reaction Times: It is not like Pakistanis wake up one fine day, decide I wanna play with a missile and launch it at India. It will only be launched during periods of war and its laughable that people assume India can do nothing. India infact will focus all its resources on the Pak border. Also remember the Indian ABMS are on a WAN and get inputs from satellites, radars and AWACS! Typically such systems can be in autonomous mode and need no human intervention to determine if a missile has been launched.

Lastly, Why Pakistani missile technological advances are kept secret can be argued in more than one way
But yes, MIRV will cause problems and so will cruise missiles.

if Pakistan is so confident that the Indian ABMs are useless ..good for you..hey! but we did reach the moon!

I also said same. During the first few days of war India will try their best to destroy the missiles and warheads as much as possible and they cannot put them anywhere near border. Neither can India.

 

[SMC]

Seems like I have wasted few minutes on you. Same worthless staffs. You put some imaginary staffs based on some defence forum and if anyone question about it or asks for source, he become a 'internet fanboy'. lol OK 'non-internet warrior' be happy with you imaginative staffs.

What sources? I already old you the sources dumbass. It's not out in public and if you want to believe something else I really don't care. I am just putting forward why I believe Pakistan has MIRV missiles. My internet keyboard warrior reference was to the simplistic bhartis who always use logic such as 'if it's in public, then it must be true, and if it's not, then it must be false'.

 

[lionheart1]

What sources? I already old you the sources dumbass. It's not out in public and if you want to believe something else I really don't care. I am just putting forward why I believe Pakistan has MIRV missiles. My internet keyboard warrior reference was to the simplistic bhartis who always use logic such as 'if it's in public, then it must be true, and if it's not, then it must be false'.

every missile or any thing which has been designed should be tested, so the missile prove it reliability( more than one time) if there any short comings it as to be redesigned, i never heard any test pakistani mirv , if it was tested even secretly our radar would had picked up ,


dont hype your missile capability,
one more question , if you can give the answer with logic why pakistan never tested a missile at direction of sea ,

 

[lionheart1]

3 fairly straight forward points:

Maneuvering Missiles: A missile usually corrects itself with inputs from GPS system to have optimal CEP. Shaheen 2 does not have the capability to detect an anti missile on its own to take "evasive" maneuvers. If one is to believe that it can take inputs from ground control then, ground control should also have info of the anti missile to know when to submit inputs.
Even if the super shaheen 2 can out maneuver itself into a trajectory that is impossible for the anti missile to calculate, what are the chances that the CEP standards are met? If it does not hit the intended area, its still a thumsup for the ABM since the missile did not hit where it is supposed to!
Ballistic Missile Trajectory predictions are not a mystery, so also the so called maneuvers of the target missiles. Both missiles have their own limitations and the success is highly dependent on how fast the target can be detected [please read point 2].
The Indian system is deployed at 2 tiers and can employ more than one missile at a time to counter the target!

Detection and Reaction Times: It is not like Pakistanis wake up one fine day, decide I wanna play with a missile and launch it at India. It will only be launched during periods of war and its laughable that people assume India can do nothing. India infact will focus all its resources on the Pak border. Also remember the Indian ABMS are on a WAN and get inputs from satellites, radars and AWACS! Typically such systems can be in autonomous mode and need no human intervention to determine if a missile has been launched.

Lastly, Why Pakistani missile technological advances are kept secret can be argued in more than one way
But yes, MIRV will cause problems and so will cruise missiles.

if Pakistan is so confident that the Indian ABMs are useless ..good for you..hey! but we did reach the moon!

100% correct,

 

[mjnaushad]

every missile or any thing which has been designed should be tested, so the missile prove it reliability( more than one time) if there any short comings it as to be redesigned, i never heard any test pakistani mirv , if it was tested even secretly our radar would had picked up ,


dont hype your missile capability,
one more question , if you can give the answer with logic why pakistan never tested a missile at direction of sea ,

Then why your radar didn't pick up Babur

 

[lionheart1]

Then why your radar didn't pick up Babur

can you please prove it , i am talking about green pine radar which we purchased from Israel, and sword fish radar which is a derivative of green pine

 

[mjnaushad]

can you please prove it , i am talking about green pine radar which we purchased from Israel, and sword fish radar which is a derivative of green pine

Babur was fired without telling India.....If you would have picked it up you might have retaliated. But you didn't Not a sound....And maybe thats why Pakistan did this test without telling you to see the stealth feature.

Anyway....Whats the point of testing missile into sea.....Didn't get your point of that question?

 

[SMC]

every missile or any thing which has been designed should be tested, so the missile prove it reliability( more than one time) if there any short comings it as to be redesigned, i never heard any test pakistani mirv , if it was tested even secretly our radar would had picked up ,


dont hype your missile capability,
one more question , if you can give the answer with logic why pakistan never tested a missile at direction of sea ,

Listen kiddo,

we have done secret tests in the past. Maybe your government doesn't want to make the tests public either?

As far as hyping the capability, kiddo, your military knows full well of our capabilities, so I am not going to waste my time proving capabilities to a teenager keyboard warrior.

 

[saurabh]

Babur was fired without telling India.....If you would have picked it up you might have retaliated. But you didn't Not a sound....And maybe thats why Pakistan did this test without telling you to see the stealth feature.

Anyway....Whats the point of testing missile into sea.....Didn't get your point of that question?

Retaliated, for what??!!

 

[mjnaushad]

@loinheart


I am pretty sure this defence analyst knows lot more than you.....

Pakistan Pushes To Improve Missile Strike Capability - Defense News

"NESCOM has been quietly and steadily refining its missile designs with special emphasis on more precision and greater range and warhead capacity," he said. "Work on MIRV [multiple independently targeted re-entry vehicle] warheads is ongoing and might be fielded in the near future on the Shaheen-II ballistic missile system.

 

[mjnaushad]

Retaliated, for what??!!

If you see a missile coming almost your way you will

1. Ask the Govt of Pakistan

2. Give warning or something, Try missile defense.

3. If confirm an invasion will retaliate.

 

[saurabh]

If you see a missile coming almost your way you will

1. Ask the Govt of Pakistan

2. Give warning or something, Try missile defense.

3. If confirm an invasion will retaliate.

If missile is coming our way, which would not be done while testing.

 

[lionheart1]

Listen kiddo,

we have done secret tests in the past. Maybe your government doesn't want to make the tests public either?

As far as hyping the capability, kiddo, your military knows full well of our capabilities, so I am not going to waste my time proving capabilities to a teenager keyboard warrior.

see every missile test is monitored all around the world, your secret missile test will be detected by not only India, it will be detected by many country . no missile test will remain secret.

please if you can answer , answer with logic

 

[lionheart1]

Babur was fired without telling India.....If you would have picked it up you might have retaliated. But you didn't Not a sound....And maybe thats why Pakistan did this test without telling you to see the stealth feature.

Anyway....Whats the point of testing missile into sea.....Didn't get your point of that question?

cruise missile not come under notification so we didnt lodged any protest. here we are debating about anti-missile capability, it mean we can detect any missile you lunch. more over for your babur our akash sam is enough we dont need any abms