well we are there now in SCS
and awaiting your response
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and thus spake the high IQ
shut upppppp
India-Vietnam oil exploration deal must be stopped:People's Daily
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well we are there now in SCS
and awaiting your response
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and thus spake the high IQ
shut upppppp
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Guys...this 1962 defeat that I keep hearing about....can somebody tell me:-
1) How many days war it was?
2) Post defeat of India, which agrement was signed ( I mean we went to war with Pak and had Tashkent and Shimla agreement).
3) Post defeat of India, which all states we lost to China? I mean any maps to show the lands that went finally to China?
1) How many days war it was?
2) Post defeat of India, which agrement was signed ( I mean we went to war with Pak and had Tashkent and Shimla agreement).
3) Post defeat of India, which all states we lost to China? I mean any maps to show the lands that went finally to China?
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welcome einstein .. read what your buddy wrote!!!
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East Ladakh. Not because of a treaty or anything but because of CONgress's treachery. If they were serious, they'd have been armed to teeth and won the war instead. Soldiers fought valiantly with whatever they had; the government betrayed the nation as it is doing now.
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So every country has bunkers . Please enlighten me how many nukes does China have and how can it counter US when it has 100's of nukes and US has 1000's in no's.
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when we know we can get better weapons , there is no point in making cheap indigenous weapons .
We won three wars with Russian equipment. To mention AF was not used in 1962 war
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I have one thing to say . It was India who stopped Alexandar
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How ? when we have facilities at our own place.
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Dude u made it reversedStar√ation;2192910 said:
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So you agree that India in South China Sea is perfectly normal. By the way the bold part is fact .
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Cheap talk is good, eh?
With China's presence in that area, this deal won't be passed.
Its going smoothly
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Tibet is our traditional part, our sacred rivers,Mt kailash ,Amarnath and many pilgrimages are in Tibet
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Star√ation;2192889 said:May god bless you with your humble dream
Anyway, I thought Chinese always feared that the collapse of her neighboring state would de-stabilize China, like the case for the N.Korea. So, what's up?
The love you give for the Kinh Vietnamese is greater than for Korean?
personally i think kinh viets are closer to Chinese than Koreans.
this is not a dream, but dead serious. global warming is a huge threat to all southern countries that will suffer flooding, increased storm frequency, increased cloud cover, reduced crop yields, and increased transmittable disease. Vietnam's economy may not be able to handle the shock, and this could lead to political instability. in that case, i think China must help support the Vietnamese in 2 ways: 1 is to allow refugees to come north, 2 is to send in a peacekeeping force on the request of the CPV to enforce national stability.
I have no doubt about it! Once US weaks and China has more time to copy modern weapons [instead learn hard]. That's why in this World and only Chinese people lives all over countries and Africa inclueded.
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Reforming Myanmar looks to India for enlightenment
Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:34pm EDT
* Myanmar looking to balance relations between India and China
* India needs to seize investment opportunities
* India concerned being encircled by Chinese "string of pearls"
By Frank Jack Daniel
NEW DELHI, Oct 15 (Reuters) - Traditional dress for men in Myanmar combines an Indian-influenced sarong with a Chinese-style coat -- fitting, perhaps, for a nation trying to balance ties with two giant neighbours as it looks outwards and relaxes decades of tightly buttoned rule.
Wedged between India to its west and China to its east, Myanmar will need to work hard on that balancing act as its military-backed government heads down the path of political reform to end the nation's pariah status and revive its economy.
Throttled by Western sanctions, Myanmar has long relied on Beijing to keep it afloat with weapons, loans and infrastructure projects. But it is now courting India, too, to reduce its dependence on China, which many in the country see as a semi-colonial power.
Myanmar is hoping competition between the two Asian rivals will earn it a better deal for resources such as gas and access to the Indian Ocean from its shores, for which China has so far paid bottom-dollar.
"There is an awareness they have a lot in common with two great nations, China and India, and they must learn to cooperate with both to derive the maximum benefit for themselves," said Lalit Mansingh, who was India's foreign secretary when relations with Myanmar began to warm in the late 1990s.
Broadly speaking, that seems to be the plan.
Two weeks ago, Thein Sein, a retired general who in February became Myanmar's first nominally civilian president in nearly 50 years, shocked Beijing by shelving a $3.6 billion dam project that would have supplied almost no domestic electricity and had come to epitomise the army's habit of kowtowing to China.
This week he visited India, the world's largest democracy, for a state visit that began with a pilgrimage to Bodh Gaya, the spot where the Buddha is said to have found enlightenment after meditating under a tree for three days and three nights.
OPPORTUNITY FOR INDIA
"When Myanmar's government suspended the dam and went to India, it showed that it should not be underestimated," said Christopher Roberts, an Asia expert at Australia's National Security College. "It knows it has resources that many countries want and it is using this to full advantage."
Myanmar's new assertiveness towards Beijing and desire to return to the fold of nations give India a rare chance to steal a march on China in the regional jostle for maritime power and energy supplies.
But red tape-bound India's slow decision making and bureaucratic tangles mean it may fail to seize the moment.
The $110 million Sittwe port and transport hub it is building on Myanmar's west coast is unfinished. Meanwhile, China plans to build a much larger deep-water port just a few miles away.
"Our ability to execute projects on time needs improvements," said a well-informed official in the Indian government who declined to be named, noting China's better record on delivering promised projects.
"It is the challenge, we lose out. We have a different political system, they have deep pockets," said the official.
Also known as Burma, Myanmar's links with India stretch back for centuries, and both countries became independent from the British empire within a year of each other after World War Two. As Myanmar retreated into authoritarianism, however, it was rejected by its democratic neighbour and moved closer to China.
"When India withdrew it caused a vacuum in Myanmar: others stepped in, especially China," said Mansingh.
India realised in the 1990s that Chinese investment in Myanmar's military and infrastructure was giving Beijing a strategic advantage in the Southeast Asian nation, which straddles busy Bay of Bengal shipping lanes and has large energy reserves.
So India put its concerns about human rights abuses there to one side. Once an ardent supporter of the democracy icon and Nobel peace laureate Aung San Suu Kyi, who went to school and university in India, New Delhi quietly dropped its backing for her opposition party and began to court Myanmar's junta.
Hungry for energy supplies to fuel one of the world's fastest-growing major economies and wary of China's military and maritime expansion, India has for several years sold Myanmar military equipment and promised it roads and railways.
Until now, Myanmar's response has been lukewarm. While it has clamped down on separatist militants seeking refuge from India's restive northeast, it has so far refused to send any natural gas.
India has a 30 percent stake in two gas blocks in the offshore Shwe fields, but in 2007 Myanmar chose to sell the gas produced there to China via two huge pipelines.
STRING OF PEARLS
Myanmar is vital for China's strategy of finding short cuts to pull energy into its populous south. Both countries will continue to work together, but maybe on a more balanced footing.
India worries China's "string of pearls" projects to build ports in Myanmar, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Pakistan could lead to its naval encirclement across the Indian Ocean and up to the Arabian Sea. Reports of listening stations on Myanmar's western coast and islands add to these fears.
Sein arrived in India hours after releasing about 200 political prisoners on Wednesday, part of a strategy aimed at ending Myanmar's status as an outcast and the sanctions imposed on it by the United States and Europe.
The retired general met officials on Friday in New Delhi, which opposes sanctions while being a major ally of Myanmar's fiercest critic, Washington.
"I think they will find India very helpful in projecting their national interest to the rest of the world," said Mansingh.
For its part, India is looking for a stake in any opening-up of Myanmar's gas fields and vast tracts of farmland.
"Energy cooperation is quite extensive and is expected to increase," Harsh Vardhan Shringla, joint secretary at the foreign ministry, said in a briefing. "The Myanmar government has put out tenders for additional onshore blocks for which Indian companies are also interested."
India may quietly take some of the credit for drawing Myanmar in from the cold. It says its policy of engagement and democracy promotion behind closed doors is more effective than Western governments' public admonishments.
"The last thing you want to do is wag your finger at a country publicly," said the government official. "Try doing that with your children, let alone a fellow nation.
Source: Reforming Myanmar looks to India for enlightenment | Reuters
Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:34pm EDT
* Myanmar looking to balance relations between India and China
* India needs to seize investment opportunities
* India concerned being encircled by Chinese "string of pearls"
By Frank Jack Daniel
NEW DELHI, Oct 15 (Reuters) - Traditional dress for men in Myanmar combines an Indian-influenced sarong with a Chinese-style coat -- fitting, perhaps, for a nation trying to balance ties with two giant neighbours as it looks outwards and relaxes decades of tightly buttoned rule.
Wedged between India to its west and China to its east, Myanmar will need to work hard on that balancing act as its military-backed government heads down the path of political reform to end the nation's pariah status and revive its economy.
Throttled by Western sanctions, Myanmar has long relied on Beijing to keep it afloat with weapons, loans and infrastructure projects. But it is now courting India, too, to reduce its dependence on China, which many in the country see as a semi-colonial power.
Myanmar is hoping competition between the two Asian rivals will earn it a better deal for resources such as gas and access to the Indian Ocean from its shores, for which China has so far paid bottom-dollar.
"There is an awareness they have a lot in common with two great nations, China and India, and they must learn to cooperate with both to derive the maximum benefit for themselves," said Lalit Mansingh, who was India's foreign secretary when relations with Myanmar began to warm in the late 1990s.
Broadly speaking, that seems to be the plan.
Two weeks ago, Thein Sein, a retired general who in February became Myanmar's first nominally civilian president in nearly 50 years, shocked Beijing by shelving a $3.6 billion dam project that would have supplied almost no domestic electricity and had come to epitomise the army's habit of kowtowing to China.
This week he visited India, the world's largest democracy, for a state visit that began with a pilgrimage to Bodh Gaya, the spot where the Buddha is said to have found enlightenment after meditating under a tree for three days and three nights.
OPPORTUNITY FOR INDIA
"When Myanmar's government suspended the dam and went to India, it showed that it should not be underestimated," said Christopher Roberts, an Asia expert at Australia's National Security College. "It knows it has resources that many countries want and it is using this to full advantage."
Myanmar's new assertiveness towards Beijing and desire to return to the fold of nations give India a rare chance to steal a march on China in the regional jostle for maritime power and energy supplies.
But red tape-bound India's slow decision making and bureaucratic tangles mean it may fail to seize the moment.
The $110 million Sittwe port and transport hub it is building on Myanmar's west coast is unfinished. Meanwhile, China plans to build a much larger deep-water port just a few miles away.
"Our ability to execute projects on time needs improvements," said a well-informed official in the Indian government who declined to be named, noting China's better record on delivering promised projects.
"It is the challenge, we lose out. We have a different political system, they have deep pockets," said the official.
Also known as Burma, Myanmar's links with India stretch back for centuries, and both countries became independent from the British empire within a year of each other after World War Two. As Myanmar retreated into authoritarianism, however, it was rejected by its democratic neighbour and moved closer to China.
"When India withdrew it caused a vacuum in Myanmar: others stepped in, especially China," said Mansingh.
India realised in the 1990s that Chinese investment in Myanmar's military and infrastructure was giving Beijing a strategic advantage in the Southeast Asian nation, which straddles busy Bay of Bengal shipping lanes and has large energy reserves.
So India put its concerns about human rights abuses there to one side. Once an ardent supporter of the democracy icon and Nobel peace laureate Aung San Suu Kyi, who went to school and university in India, New Delhi quietly dropped its backing for her opposition party and began to court Myanmar's junta.
Hungry for energy supplies to fuel one of the world's fastest-growing major economies and wary of China's military and maritime expansion, India has for several years sold Myanmar military equipment and promised it roads and railways.
Until now, Myanmar's response has been lukewarm. While it has clamped down on separatist militants seeking refuge from India's restive northeast, it has so far refused to send any natural gas.
India has a 30 percent stake in two gas blocks in the offshore Shwe fields, but in 2007 Myanmar chose to sell the gas produced there to China via two huge pipelines.
STRING OF PEARLS
Myanmar is vital for China's strategy of finding short cuts to pull energy into its populous south. Both countries will continue to work together, but maybe on a more balanced footing.
India worries China's "string of pearls" projects to build ports in Myanmar, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Pakistan could lead to its naval encirclement across the Indian Ocean and up to the Arabian Sea. Reports of listening stations on Myanmar's western coast and islands add to these fears.
Sein arrived in India hours after releasing about 200 political prisoners on Wednesday, part of a strategy aimed at ending Myanmar's status as an outcast and the sanctions imposed on it by the United States and Europe.
The retired general met officials on Friday in New Delhi, which opposes sanctions while being a major ally of Myanmar's fiercest critic, Washington.
"I think they will find India very helpful in projecting their national interest to the rest of the world," said Mansingh.
For its part, India is looking for a stake in any opening-up of Myanmar's gas fields and vast tracts of farmland.
"Energy cooperation is quite extensive and is expected to increase," Harsh Vardhan Shringla, joint secretary at the foreign ministry, said in a briefing. "The Myanmar government has put out tenders for additional onshore blocks for which Indian companies are also interested."
India may quietly take some of the credit for drawing Myanmar in from the cold. It says its policy of engagement and democracy promotion behind closed doors is more effective than Western governments' public admonishments.
"The last thing you want to do is wag your finger at a country publicly," said the government official. "Try doing that with your children, let alone a fellow nation.
Source: Reforming Myanmar looks to India for enlightenment | Reuters
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India, Myanmar to cooperate in oil and gas
By NIRMALA GEORGE
NEW DELHI
The leaders of India and Myanmar agreed Friday to expand cooperation in oil and gas exploration, open up border trade and speed up the construction of natural gas pipelines.
Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh offered visiting Myanmar President Thein Sein $500 million in credits for infrastructure projects, including roads, inland waterways and ports.
They emphasized in a joint statement the need for energy security, and Myanmar agreed to encourage more Indian investments in its energy sector.
Private and state-owned Indian energy companies have already made substantial investments in Myanmar.
Thein Sein, a retired senior army officer who took office in March as head of an elected military-led government, has launched economic reforms and eased limits on freedom of speech by relaxing censorship and unblocking banned websites.
He also has started a dialogue with democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi, released some political prisoners, made calls for peace with ethnic minority rebel groups and suspended a controversial China-backed hydropower dam project after a public outcry.
Both India and China are interested in increased access to Myanmar's natural gas resources. However, Indian officials downplayed any competition with Beijing in furthering ties with Myanmar.
"We have an important relationship with Myanmar. And we have an important relationship with China. There is no competition," Indian external affairs ministry spokesman Vishnu Prakash told reporters.
Trade between India and Myanmar totaled $1.28 billion last year. The two countries have set a modest target of $3 billion by 2015
Source: India, Myanmar to cooperate in oil and gas - BusinessWeek
By NIRMALA GEORGE
NEW DELHI
The leaders of India and Myanmar agreed Friday to expand cooperation in oil and gas exploration, open up border trade and speed up the construction of natural gas pipelines.
Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh offered visiting Myanmar President Thein Sein $500 million in credits for infrastructure projects, including roads, inland waterways and ports.
They emphasized in a joint statement the need for energy security, and Myanmar agreed to encourage more Indian investments in its energy sector.
Private and state-owned Indian energy companies have already made substantial investments in Myanmar.
Thein Sein, a retired senior army officer who took office in March as head of an elected military-led government, has launched economic reforms and eased limits on freedom of speech by relaxing censorship and unblocking banned websites.
He also has started a dialogue with democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi, released some political prisoners, made calls for peace with ethnic minority rebel groups and suspended a controversial China-backed hydropower dam project after a public outcry.
Both India and China are interested in increased access to Myanmar's natural gas resources. However, Indian officials downplayed any competition with Beijing in furthering ties with Myanmar.
"We have an important relationship with Myanmar. And we have an important relationship with China. There is no competition," Indian external affairs ministry spokesman Vishnu Prakash told reporters.
Trade between India and Myanmar totaled $1.28 billion last year. The two countries have set a modest target of $3 billion by 2015
Source: India, Myanmar to cooperate in oil and gas - BusinessWeek
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another wet dream i see? you guys have not won a single war since back stabbing us in 62 you guys were almost taken over by the Japs a country that is 10x smaller than you the Russians smashed you on the border the Vietnamese gave you a nose bleed and made you retreat in 79 we ran your invading forces out of Sikkim in 67 the mighty dragon can only win its fights through back stabbing its enemies in a head on fight it will lose. go see post #26 troll
Calm down colonel,don't get too angry upon that poor child.You need to understand that 99% Chinese people haven't heard about the shameful blunders of their PLA of Cho La and especially Nathu la artillery duel.As it's said,'Victory has many fathers,but defeat is an orphan'.Perhaps the only exception is us-the Indians,we are never ashamed of taking our defeats like men and learn from them.
Long live our mother land.
REGARDS....
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They can only take advantage with this jerkweed of a PM sitting in this office. Beyond that, once the real leader steps in from Gandhinagar to Delhi, it will be a game changer. Most communists around the world are the same; all propaganda to distract local dissidence. Vietnam seems to be the only sensible exception.
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