Biden to sign strategic partnership deal with Vietnam in latest bid to counter China in the region

[Communism]

Yeah, but the US has no card to play against India or Vietnam, hell, it's running out of card to play against Japan despite occupying the country.

If it is important enough, the U.S. can do it.


The U.S. was able to force the E.U. to destroy their economic future for the next few years at the very least, and the E.U. has the most leverage against the U.S. of any of the U.S. allies.

 

[OIO]

Most recently, Wang Yi also said something about the ideological similarities between the two countries and we all understand that as nonsense.

Vietnam and China just use each other and they will stab each other if given the chance.

No one believes in the good relationship between Vietnam and China, and the relationship between the two sides will not change in a positive direction. If you think that political views and statements represent the real thoughts and actions of a country, that is strange.


Vietnam has never changed its political stance in recent decades and this will continue for at least the next 50 years.

China still attaches great importance to its relations with Vietnam. There is no propaganda in China about the self-defense counterattack against Vietnam. It just does not want to continue the hatred.

If the Vietnam Railway had been built by China, it would have been open to traffic long ago.

Vietnam has wasted too many opportunities. When the Belt and Road Initiative was first proposed, China was begging for your cooperation.

 

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If it is important enough, the U.S. can do it.


The U.S. was able to force the E.U. to destroy their economic future for the next few years at the very least, and the E.U. has the most leverage against the U.S. of any of the U.S. allies.

That's more or less because the EU is ruled by mischlings who follow the US's every steps. Even the japanese aren't that stupid.
Vietnamese isn't ruled by US mischlings.

China still attaches great importance to its relations with Vietnam. There is no propaganda in China about the self-defense counterattack against Vietnam. It just does not want to continue the hatred.

If the Vietnam Railway had been built by China, it would have been open to traffic long ago.

Vietnam has wasted too many opportunities. When the Belt and Road Initiative was first proposed, China was begging for your cooperation.

Bruh, seeing every BRI countries have had slower growth than Vietnam, maybe except Indonesia. And you have headcases like Sri Lanka.
If the BRI is good, we can always join later.

 

[Communism]

That's more or less because the EU is ruled by mischlings who follow the US's every steps. Even the japanese aren't that stupid.
Vietnamese isn't ruled by US mischlings.

Bruh, seeing every BRI countries have had slower growth than Vietnam, maybe except Indonesia. And you have headcases like Sri Lanka.
If the BRI is good, we can always join later.

You are seriously underestimating the U.S.'s leverage against Vietnam.


Vietnam has only 2 choices, Neutrality, and Creeping Alliance with the U.S.


Vietnam cannot choose to side with China without a revolution from the populace that has been fed on propaganda for the last 100+ years.


This means that the U.S. has all sorts of tricks it can use.


The U.S. can easily manufacture tensions by launching sabotage campaigns in Vietnam and blaming it on China.


The U.S. can start limiting trade concessions with Vietnam one by one.


The U.S. can assassinate Vietnamese leaders and install their own picks.


The U.S. can literally do nearly anything due to that 100+ years of propaganda that can be used against Vietnam, which has little to no room to maneuver.


That was how the U.S. was able to force India to break their neutrality.


The recent propaganda campaigns touting good relations between the Communist Parties in Vietnam and China are a sign of Vietnam panicking upon realizing this and trying to manufacture some room to maneuver.

 

[REhorror]

You are seriously underestimating the U.S.'s leverage against Vietnam.


Vietnam has only 2 choices, Neutrality, and Creeping Alliance with the U.S.


Vietnam cannot choose to side with China without a revolution from the populace that has been fed on propaganda for the last 100+ years.


This means that the U.S. has all sorts of tricks it can use.


The U.S. can easily manufacture tensions by launching sabotage campaigns in Vietnam and blaming it on China.


The U.S. can start limiting trade concessions with Vietnam one by one.


The U.S. can assassinate Vietnamese leaders and install their own picks.


The U.S. can literally do nearly anything due to that 100+ years of propaganda that can be used against Vietnam, which has no little to no room to maneuver.

Yeah, you are overestimating the US's influence there.
The US can assassinate president yes, in their own sphere of influence (S. America, Africa or occupied countries like Japan).
But in Vietnam?

Hell, the most pro-West Vietnam leader, Nguyễn Tấn Dũng, was couped by our military and CPV.
By now, if the US moves against Vietnam, it's just cutting its feet, because Vietnam can afford to choose at the moment. If US starts shit, we join China. Simple as.

 

[Communism]

Yeah, you are overestimating the US's influence there.
The US can assassinate president yes, in their own sphere of influence (S. America, Africa or occupied countries like Japan).
But in Vietnam?

Hell, the most pro-West Vietnam leader, Nguyễn Tấn Dũng, was couped by our military and CPV.
By now, if the US moves against Vietnam, it's just cutting its feet, because Vietnam can afford to choose at the moment. If US starts shit, we join China. Simple as.

If Vietnam just ups and joins China on a dime or even over the course of a few years, the U.S. then has the room to launch insurgencies in Vietnam, as that 100+ years of propaganda can easily be used against Vietnam in that scenario.


You can see the panic that has set in for Modi when the U.S. managed to inflame tensions between India and China over and over and over and over again.


Modi, who had good relations with China, now has zero room to maneuver due to the Indian population being brought to a boiling point.


Either Modi moves against China, or Modi loses his most important voter base.

 

[Viet]

You are dumb if you think big power politics will let you play neutral. You are and will need to bet on one horse. Hope it is the right bet.

No, we stay neutral in any confrontation between them. The US has more than enough firepower they have more than enough military allies in Far east. The US don’t need Vietnam military to target China. Vietnam would not add more firepower into the war. Besides, it’s risky it doesn’t bring us any benefits.

Same for China. The Chinese have lots of money, planes, ships, men. Chinese can take care of themselves. they don’t need us, either.

 

[REhorror]

If Vietnam just ups and joins China on a dime or even over the course of a few years, the U.S. then has the room to launch insurgencies in Vietnam, as that 100+ years of propaganda can easily be used against Vietnam in that scenario.


You can see the panic that has set in for Modi when the U.S. managed to inflame tensions between India and China over and over and over and over again.


Modi, who had good relations with China, now has zero room to maneuver due to the Indian population being brought to a boiling point.


Either Modi moves against China, or Modi loses his most important voter base.

Yeah, Vietnamese don't care enough to revolt our govt because muh China LOL.
We aren't dumb as that.

I mean, some tried, but they got arrested, that was back in 2014 due to the China sending research ship to our gas field.

 

[Song Hong]

Fake news.

From what I gathered, US have not much hope when the Northern faction in power. PM Pham Minh Chinh is friendly to China.

I give you an example. Few years ago, Quang Ninh (just North is China Guangxi) top boss was Pham Minh Chinh and he decided to open a Shenzhen style free trade zone, in Dao Van Don 云屯岛. This was too far for the Southern faction and they shoot it down.

 

[zhxy]

China still attaches great importance to its relations with Vietnam.

And the opposite is also true.

There is no propaganda in China about the self-defense counterattack against Vietnam. It just does not want to continue the hatred.

There is a lot of Chinese propaganda supporting China's attack on Vietnam in 1979

I remember a few years ago, China also made the movie Fang Hua praising the heroism of the PLA.

On weibo, 163, sohu and many other Chinese websites, there are many articles praising this war. They publish news constantly.

China's original purpose was to repeat the classic strategy of "besiege Wei, save Zhao/ 圍魏救趙)", by threatening North Vietnam, forcing Vietnam to withdraw its troops from Cambodia, of course because the Pol Pot regime was so bad , so they use the reasonable word "self-defense counterattack "

If the Vietnam Railway had been built by China, it would have been open to traffic long ago.

Vietnam has wasted too many opportunities. When the Belt and Road Initiative was first proposed, China was begging for your cooperation.

You try to portray the second most powerful superpower in the world and the strongest in Asia as a sick person.

Trade with China accounts for a large proportion of Vietnam's trade balance and is very important to the Vietnamese economy. But without Vietnam, there is no impact on China

Vietnam is not so important to China, just an ant, doesn't mean much

 

[OIO]

Bruh, seeing every BRI countries have had slower growth than Vietnam, maybe except Indonesia. And you have headcases like Sri Lanka.
If the BRI is good, we can always join later

You only see the failure cases of Western propaganda, and you should admit that the changes in Laos are very big.

It would be better if Vietnam had a railway running from north to south and enough electricity.

The Belt and Road Initiative has also developed quite well in Africa.

 

[Song Hong]

And the opposite is also true.


China's original purpose was to repeat the classic strategy of "besiege Wei, save Trieu", by threatening North Vietnam, forcing Vietnam to withdraw its troops from Cambodia, of course because the Pol Pot regime was so bad. , so they use the reasonable word "Counter-Defense War"


There is a lot of Chinese propaganda supporting China's attack on Vietnam in 1979

I remember a few years ago, China also made the movie Fang Hua praising the heroism of the PLA.

On weibo, 163, sohu and many other Chinese websites, there are many articles praising this war. They publish news constantly.



You try to portray the second most powerful superpower in the world and the strongest in Asia as a sick person.

Trade with China accounts for a large proportion of Vietnam's trade balance and is very important to the Vietnamese economy. But without Vietnam, there is no impact on China

Vietnam is not so important to China, just an ant, doesn't mean much

I think both side should play down this issue.

Last time Le Duan did an Indian style forward policy in Cao Bang, Lao Cai.

Worst thing is Le Duan start kicking out all Chinese. Famous victim include Precillia Chan father(Facebook boss wife)

Meanwhile Deng Xiaoping sell out communist brothers to US.

Vietnam more in the wrong.

 

[REhorror]

You only see the failure cases of Western propaganda, and you should admit that the changes in Laos are very big.

It would be better if Vietnam had a railway running from north to south and enough electricity.

The Belt and Road Initiative has also developed quite well in Africa.

I mean, it's only recent, and Vietnam helps in Laos too, not just China.

The railway, we are thinking about it, it will be very beneficial, no lie.

I think both side should play down this issue.

Last time Le Duan did an Indian style forward policy in Cao Bang, Lao Cai.

Worst thing is Le Duan start kicking out all Chinese. Famous victim include Precillia Chan father(Facebook boss wife)

Meanwhile Deng Xiaoping sell out communist brothers to US.

Vietnam more in the wrong.

This is older than Deng Xiaopeng.

Mao himself has already disliked Le Duan and vietnamese politburo ever since Vietnam is close to reunification or kicking out the chinese at the borders, after all, it's not in China's interests for Vietnam reunite.

To say Vietnam is wrong in this is dumb.

 

[Song Hong]

Chinese on sea got rape and killed in large numbers. I guess Vietnam should stop blaming Chinese.

Le Duan sourthern factions conducted genocide.

 

[REhorror]

Wikiwand - Lê Duẩn

Lê Duẩn là một chính trị gia người Việt Nam, Bí thư Thứ nhất Đảng Lao động Việt Nam từ năm 1960 đến năm 1976, Tổng Bí thư Ban Chấp hành Trung ương Đảng Cộng sản Việt Nam từ năm 1976 đến năm 1986. Bản đề cương này định hướng cho hàng loạt phong trào đấu tranh chống Mỹ ở miền Nam, từ đó tạo điều...

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Lê Duẫn is born in Quảng Trị, he's a middle vietnamese, just like Hồ Chí Minh.

I don't know where is this "southern faction" thing comes from.