India flys down 25 Bangladesh Army officers and spouses on week long visit

[Slav Defence]

My father studied in Lahore for some time before war broke out. He still maintains contact with some of his friends in Pakistan through social media. A Bangladeshi and a Pakistani can certainly be friend...but that's for individuals. General sentiment can be different.

One thing is certain that Hasina do not like Pakistan. It is totally understandable why she does not, from both on personal level and on political level. And there is no changing it. But just like Hasina continuing Mujib's legacy, Bhutto's family is still present in Pakistan, no? PPP still get vote using his name, right?

Situation demanded that we get separated. Had it been different, you would be my countryman today. But circumstances have changed. Now situation demands that we cannot get close. We have our own issues and you have your own. They are very different and they have always been very different. At the end being Muslim brothers does not fix everything. If it did there wouldn't be 50+ Muslim majority countries today.

Coming to hatred, I did not specifically mentioned hatred towards Bangladeshis. I meant hatred in general. I hardly ever see any Indian poster threatening to nuke Pakistan here....but I almost daily see Pakistani posters doing that.

What I learned in school is 'Pakistan' means land of pure. Here I see PAKISTAN as Punjab, Afghan(where did it come from?lol), Kashmir, I is somehow ignored, dunno why, Sindh and BaluchisTAN. And East Pakistan was never supposed to be part of it. I wonder is this why you guys relinquished Hyderabad to India, to keep your name intact? And the number of people here thinks this way is scary...like 90%....

Sane people usually are less noisy and keeps quite unless they have something specific to say. It's the insane ones that make the noise....and our politics yours, ours, India's are the same. Has to dwell on hate...Hasina has to hate Pakistan to gain votes, Your politicians have to hate India, India's politicians have to hate Pakistan....

But at some point, we have to come to terms with reality. We have to accept ourselves as who we are and take responsibility. It's easy to hate and the hatred might give you temporary comforts by allowing to think that it's not your fault its the fault of those you hate. But this will only send you to a downward spiral until you face a rude awakening.

Just to let you know, we will get over this. The one's who remembers Pakistan time well are over their 70's. They still run the politics today. But in 10-15 or 20 years they will be gone. I believe everything that happens to us are our own faults. The only thing that we should blame is our weakness. We are not poor because of Pakistan or the Brits. We are poor because our ancestors were not capable to create a better situation for their children. But we should do that for our children.

In the end Pakistanis loving or hating Bangladeshis or Bangladeshis hating Pakistanis does not mean much. We are on a different road. What is necessary is to be able to see things from a neutral perspective. If you cannot see beyond India for the separation(which many Pakistanis here, can't) then you have a long way to go to get rid of your irrational hatred.

See.We have accepted this the day when Bangladesh was formed and we want to move forward.I wish that Bangladeshi government also understand this and stops repeating it over and over.I wish that Bangladeshi regime stops taking decision keeping 1970s in mind and realize that times have changed and improvement is needed on both sides.
In addition to that no matter how much our pathways are separated, geographically and physically Bangladesh is located in the same place.So, whatever decision they are gonna take, will effect upon us naturally, geographically and psychologically.
Last but not least, I agree that Pakistan was made in the name of Islam and Pakistani people still have same sentiments.However, there is no country on Earth where sectarian, ethnic or sex based discrimination does not takes place.Forget East Pakistan, people in west were divided into saveral things.Sindhi and Punjabi had their own card to play.Why only Pakistan? Look at Indians where North and South Indians are fighting.Look at Sikhs who are demanding "Khalistan" for years from Indians.What about Saudi Arabia? Americans were involved in Black and white discrimination years ago. Brother, you and I are not descended from 7th heaven.We are also human beings and we are also facing all this.I am a karachiite and Urdu speaking and well aware of ethnic card being played.
Regarding tribal areas, yes it is true but if we will not attempt to keep it intact with us then it will ended up in Indian hands.Free writ will only become a headache for us and times have proved us right.
However, when any tragedy or trauma befalls upon us; we share the
pain and celebrate happiness together.
Yes ,Bhutto's party still exists but see how Allah (SWT) has avenged wrong doers.No politician who played a key roke in West Pakistan- East Pakistan cleavage remained in peace.Either those politician were hanged or humiliated and this was the decision of Allah. Bhutto's own family killed each other.Benazir was assassinated by her own husband (Pakistanis believe) and her brothers killed each other.Zardari married to someone else that put Bilawal in trauma.He seems back after recovery.
About PPP, let me make this very clear to you that it is voted by those people who have no idea about them.Educated masses does not vote for them and Karachi was ruled by Mutahda Qaumi Moment and now after Altaf Hussain has gone bonkers; majority had voted for PTI.We have voted for new party and brought it into ministries with hope of taking steps forward.
Indian posters spewing hate here, I swear that the way they spread hate no one else did.Even, infront of Indian posters am telling you that they make lobbies and caused sane Pakistani members banned.I am engaged in foruming hobby since 19 years of age and telling you from my experience.Their method is (1)provoke (2)lobby (3) whining (4)demand for ban.
The tragedy is that Pakistani posters don't understand this: Many are young, irresponsible, can be easily agitated.
Regards

 

[padamchen]

See.We have accepted this the day when Bangladesh was formed and we want to move forward.I wish that Bangladeshi government also understand this and stops repeating it over and over.I wish that Bangladeshi regime stops taking decision keeping 1970s in mind and realize that times have changed and improvement is needed on both sides.
In addition to that no matter how.much our pathways are separated, geographically and physically Bangladesh is located in the same place.So, whatever decision they are gonna take, will effect upon us naturally, geographically and psychologically.
Last but not least, I agree that Pakistan was made in the name of Islam and Pakistani people still have same sentiments.However, there is no country on Earth where sectarian, ethnic or sex based discrimination does not takes place.Forgrt East Pakistan, people in west wwere divided into saveral things.Sindhi and Punjabi had their own card to they play.Why only Pakistan? Look at Indians where North and South Indians are fighting.Look at Sikhs who are demanding "Khalistan" for years from Indians.What about Saudi Arabia? Brother, you and I are not descended from 7th heaven.We are also human beings and we are also facing all this.I am a karachiite and Urdu speaking and well aware of ethnic card being played.
Regarding tribal areas, yes it is true but if we will not attempt to keep it intact with us then it will ended up in Indian hands.Free writ will only become a headache for us.
Regarding Indian posters spewing hate here, I swear that the way they spread hate no one else did.Even, infront of Indian posters am telling you that they make lobbies and caused sane Pakistani members banned.I am engaged in foruming hobby since 19 years of age and telling you from my experience.Their method is (1)provoke (2)lobby (3) whining (4)demand for ban.
The tragedy is that Pakistani posters don't understand this: Many are young, irresponsible, can be easily agitated.
Regards

And how old are you now?

Nice sidetracked about Khalistan by the way. Not very smoothly done.

No one has heard of Khalistan since I was in high school. And that's a really long time ago.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Slav Defence]

And how old are you now?

Nice sidetracked about Khalistan by the way. Not very smoothly done.

No one has heard of Khalistan since I was in high school. And that's a really long time ago.

Cheers, Doc

Never heard of it? Lovley.This is called "frequency illusion".Play this drama infront of them doc, it ain't gonna work on me.
Regards

 

[padamchen]

Never heard of it? Lovley.This is called "frequency illusion".Play this drama infront of them doc, it ain't gonna work on me.
Regards

I'm telling you about India.

As an Indian. Who lives here.

And has MANY surd chaddis.

As a Pakistani you are educating us about our country now?

I am telling you categorically that Khalistan died in the 80s. When I was in high school. Even before I joined medical college.

And we know this new line of trying to stoke a long dead flame by your side.

We are only amused that you guys actually are deluded enough to think it is going to work now, when it failed such a long time ago.

At that time Punjab was a front-line state for us. We were much poorer and food security was still not a given for the masses.

Punjab is a second rung state now. And its importance is purely strategic and military.

If the Sikhs could not do it against the Hindus of the 80s, you think they (you) would have a sniff against the Hindutva juice hopped up crowd today?

Some home truths for you. I'm still interested in knowing how old you are. I am 48. And I was 14 in '84.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Slav Defence]

I'm telling you about India.

As an Indian. Who lives here.

And has MANY surd chaddis.

As a Pakistani you are educating us about our country now?

I am telling you categorically that Khalistan died in the 80s. When I was in high school. Even before I joined medical college.

And we know this new line of trying to stoke a long dead flame by your side.

We are only amused that you guys actually are deluded enough to think it is going to work now, when it failed such a long time ago.

At that time Punjab was a front-line state for us. We were much poorer and food security was still not a given for the masses.

Punjab is a second rung state now. And its importance is purely strategic and military.

If the Sikhs could not do it against the Hindus of the 80s, you think they (you) would have a sniff against the Hindutva juice hopped up crowd today?

Some home truths for you. I'm still interested in knowing how old you are. I am 48.And I was 14 in '84.

Cheers, Doc

No doc, it is your very own insecurity.Show me, where our media is talking about it.Its your yellow journalism who is speaking of it.
Whatever we do gives you dihorrea.We just opened border for visitors like we do every year.It is your media who always shows nonsense and spews poision against us, no matter how sincere our intention for peace is.Instead, it is us who are taking risk by opening since two skih RAW trained agents Sarbjeet Singh and other one was caught by Pakistani authorities.
So, stop playing "holy cow" with us.
If you are really interested then open separate thread, and let us stick to the topic.
Regards

 

[padamchen]

No doc, it is your very own insecurity.Show me, where our media is talking about it.Its your yellow journa

Baba, is it a coincidence that suddenly this Khalistan hawa is everywhere on PDF.

Aren't you guys a mirror to the rest of Pakistan?

Cheers, Doc

 

[Slav Defence]

Baba/mam, is it a coincidence that suddenly this Khalistan hawa is everywhere on PDF.

Aren't you guys a mirror to the rest of Pakistan?

Cheers, Doc

Babjee, this Hawa is not raised by us.It is your media we are highlighting. They are raising this hawwa.Open your Indian channel and see how they are demonizing our simple ceremony on Kartapur border opening.
Regards

 

[padamchen]

Babjee, this Hawa is not raised by us.It is your media we are highlighting. They are raising this hawwa.Open your Indian channel and see how they are demonizing our simple ceremony on Kartapur border opening.
Regards

Very possible. I concede that.

Cheers, Doc

 

[UKBengali]

My father studied in Lahore for some time before war broke out. He still maintains contact with some of his friends in Pakistan through social media. A Bangladeshi and a Pakistani can certainly be friend...but that's for individuals. General sentiment can be different.

One thing is certain that Hasina do not like Pakistan. It is totally understandable why she does not, from both on personal level and on political level. And there is no changing it. But just like Hasina continuing Mujib's legacy, Bhutto's family is still present in Pakistan, no? PPP still get vote using his name, right?

Situation demanded that we get separated. Had it been different, you would be my countryman today. But circumstances have changed. Now situation demands that we cannot get close. We have our own issues and you have your own. They are very different and they have always been very different. At the end being Muslim brothers does not fix everything. If it did there wouldn't be 50+ Muslim majority countries today.

Coming to hatred, I did not specifically mentioned hatred towards Bangladeshis. I meant hatred in general. I hardly ever see any Indian poster threatening to nuke Pakistan here....but I almost daily see Pakistani posters doing that.

What I learned in school is 'Pakistan' means land of pure. Here I see PAKISTAN as Punjab, Afghan(where did it come from?lol), Kashmir, I is somehow ignored, dunno why, Sindh and BaluchisTAN. And East Pakistan was never supposed to be part of it. I wonder is this why you guys relinquished Hyderabad to India, to keep your name intact? And the number of people here thinks this way is scary...like 90%....

Sane people usually are less noisy and keeps quite unless they have something specific to say. It's the insane ones that make the noise....and our politics yours, ours, India's are the same. Has to dwell on hate...Hasina has to hate Pakistan to gain votes, Your politicians have to hate India, India's politicians have to hate Pakistan....

But at some point, we have to come to terms with reality. We have to accept ourselves as who we are and take responsibility. It's easy to hate and the hatred might give you temporary comforts by allowing to think that it's not your fault its the fault of those you hate. But this will only send you to a downward spiral until you face a rude awakening.

Just to let you know, we will get over this. The one's who remembers Pakistan time well are over their 70's. They still run the politics today. But in 10-15 or 20 years they will be gone. I believe everything that happens to us are our own faults. The only thing that we should blame is our weakness. We are not poor because of Pakistan or the Brits. We are poor because our ancestors were not capable to create a better situation for their children. But we should do that for our children.

In the end Pakistanis loving or hating Bangladeshis or Bangladeshis hating Pakistanis does not mean much. We are on a different road. What is necessary is to be able to see things from a neutral perspective. If you cannot see beyond India for the separation(which many Pakistanis here, can't) then you have a long way to go to get rid of your irrational hatred.

Dude, good post but why you say that BD only has itself to blame for being poor?
UK do not have some blame for turning one of the richest places on Earth to one of the poorest by 1947?
Pakistan not to blame for massive fiscal transfers from 1947-1971 that made sure that BD still stayed poorest region in world by 1971?

I think you are playing to gallery here and wanted a post to make butt-hurts on BD feel good here.

An independent BD is now the fastest industrialising large economy on the planet. This is not just luck but by the combined efforts of an independent BD nation.

 

[Michael Corleone]

You are buying his story and not asking from a Pakistani who lives here.Listen to me, I am born and raised in Karachi where beharis mostly live.The fact is that before formation of Bangladesh, east and west Pakistani people married to each other, had families or at least many had friends.
After formation of Bangladesh, many relatives and friends are separated from each other.You don't live here and you don't know what is being taught to us.Old professors and school teacher literally wipe off their tears when they describe the selfishness of politicians and false decision they have selfishly taken and had given chance to Indians to sprout and install proxy wars.This Zufiqar Ali Bhutto and the moron before him, we hate him not Bangladeshi people.Do not buy Indian nonsense.They are so obsessed against us that they will potray negative against us.
If you find any Pakistani poster speaking against Hasina, the reason is that she is pro-indian (Pakistani think).Hence out of frustration they blame her, then Bangladeshi for not getting rid of her.
We want successful, safe and happy Bangladesh.We want Bangladesh to have postive relationship with us.
Next time, ask a sane Pakistani not an Indian.
Regards

true! i haven;t seen/ known anyone from my west pakistan side of the family except one uncle who recently passed away. always used to get me one of those gourmet bakery sweets box. shame that we let some idiots make major decisions in our lives for us

 

[Mage]

UK do not have some blame for turning one of the richest places on Earth to one of the poorest by 1947?

They could do that because our leaders were weak....no way Brit's could have defeated Siraj without local help. I would rather blame Mif Jafar over Clive. Then people continued to live under Brits....rebellions broke out but many were still supporting Brits...Brits could not have ruled Bengal had everyone revolted...not only that Brit used soldiers from Bengal in other wars they fought.
Being a British colony did not stop Singapore from being one of the most advanced countries today. Yet Bangladesh remains poor blaming, Pakistan, India, Britain. But they won't blame their laziness or irrational thinking.

Pakistan not to blame for massive fiscal transfers from 1947-1971 that made sure that BD still stayed poorest region in world by 1971?

People chose to be part of Pakistan. Without fiscal transfers there would not be uprising in Bangladesh. According to my father, only way it could have worked if both sides were in a loose federation having provincial autonomy. In the end people chose to be part of Pakistan. In my opinion that was the right choice then. Because a united Bengal was out of cards after most of the Hindu Bengali leaders of that time, excluding some like Sarat Bose, opted for India. We are responsible for our situation. So instead of whining we should work to improve it.

 

[UKBengali]

They could do that because our leaders were weak....no way Brit's could have defeated Siraj without local help. I would rather blame Mif Jafar over Clive. Then people continued to live under Brits....rebellions broke out but many were still supporting Brits...Brits could not have ruled Bengal had everyone revolted...not only that Brit used soldiers from Bengal in other wars they fought.
Being a British colony did not stop Singapore from being one of the most advanced countries today. Yet Bangladesh remains poor blaming, Pakistan, India, Britain. But they won't blame their laziness or irrational thinking.

People chose to be part of Pakistan. Without fiscal transfers there would not be uprising in Bangladesh. According to my father, only way it could have worked if both sides were in a loose federation having provincial autonomy. Eventually people chose to be part of Pakistan. In my opinion that was the right choice then. Because a united Bengal was out of cards after most of the Hindu Bengali leaders of that time, excluding some like Sarat Bose, opted for India. We are responsible for our situation. So instead of whining we should work to improve it.

Your logic fails as an independent BD is the fastest growing(per capita) large economy on the planet. British developed Singapore to some extent as it was strategically important and was not rinsed clean by Malaysia before it became independent in 1961.

Please read up on which soldiers betrayed S Asia in the 1857 rebellion. It was not Bengalis.

 

[Mage]

See.We have accepted this the day when Bangladesh was formed and we want to move forward.I wish that Bangladeshi government also understand this and stops repeating it over and over.I wish that Bangladeshi regime stops taking decision keeping 1970s in mind and realize that times have changed and improvement is needed on both sides.

I don't think Bangladeshi takes any decision keeping 1970's in the mind. They may hide their actual agenda behind 1971. Trial for war criminals was part of Awami leagues election manifesto in 2008. It was also a good opportunity for them to get rid of a political rival legal way. I don't think we ever criticized Pakistan in UN or any other international organization either. What they do is based on their political and strategic need today. Hardly has anything to do with 1971.

Bangladesh is located in the same place.So, whatever decision they are gonna take, will effect upon us naturally, geographically and psychologically.

I don't think so. You are in a much more volatile region with Afghanistan, China, India and Iran.
We can only contact through SAARC and OIC but with SAARC being dead and OIC being nothing there is not much option for contact or cooperation.

Last but not least, I agree that Pakistan was made in the name of Islam and Pakistani people still have same sentiments.However, there is no country on Earth where sectarian, ethnic or sex based discrimination does not takes place.Forget East Pakistan, people in west were divided into saveral things.Sindhi and Punjabi had their own card to play.Why only Pakistan? Look at Indians where North and South Indians are fighting.Look at Sikhs who are demanding "Khalistan" for years from Indians.What about Saudi Arabia? Americans were involved in Black and white discrimination years ago. Brother, you and I are not descended from 7th heaven.We are also human beings and we are also facing all this.I am a karachiite and Urdu speaking and well aware of ethnic card being played.
Regarding tribal areas, yes it is true but if we will not attempt to keep it intact with us then it will ended up in Indian hands.Free writ will only become a headache for us and times have proved us right.
However, when any tragedy or trauma befalls upon us; we share the
pain and celebrate happiness together.

Different things are applicable for different countries. Malaysia despite being divided by two parts and religious division, thrives as a single country. They separated from Singapore...but in a peaceful way. I believe same should have happened for Bangladesh. Indonesia despite diversity, remains a strong country. Sikhs have faces prosecution in India before but they still remain patriotic...India have had a Sikh pm as well. South Indians too remain patriotic Indian..despite what some in PDF might say. The point is those countries have successfully managed to form a system where they could co-exist. Some did it better than others. India surely have not done this as good as Malaysia.....but in this regard did better than Pakistan or Myanmar.

Yes ,Bhutto's party still exists but see how Allah (SWT) has avenged wrong doers.No politician who played a key roke in West Pakistan- East Pakistan cleavage remained in peace.Either those politician were hanged or humiliated and this was the decision of Allah. Bhutto's own family killed each other.Benazir was assassinated by her own husband (Pakistanis believe) and her brothers killed each other.Zardari married to someone else that put Bilawal in trauma.He seems back after recovery.

I can assure you Mujib's legacy will remain in Bangladesh. Even BNP never dared to criticize him. Was he a faultless man? No. But his struggles for Bangladeshi people will not be forgotten regardless how he died. The problem with Mujib is, he was a man who was elevated to a demigod in Bangladesh. Who could not cope with it. It would have been very different if he were the pm of Pakistan.

How Bhutto will be remembered is for Pakistanis to decide. I don't think Indira is seen badly in India..despite her doing some questionable things. Perhaps @Nilgiri can say better.

Your logic fails as an independent BD is the fastest growing(per capita) large economy on the planet. British developed Singapore to some extent as it was strategically important and was not rinsed clean by Malaysia before it became independent in 1961.

One thing is certain that our logic are very different.

Please read up on which soldiers betrayed S Asia in the 1857 rebellion. It was not Bengalis.

No way the British could have ruled the area unless they had large number of locals cooperating with them.

 

[xyxmt]

My Bangla brother, protect your Army spouses, you know what Indian army is famous for

 

[UKBengali]

They could do that because our leaders were weak....no way Brit's could have defeated Siraj without local help. I would rather blame Mif Jafar over Clive. Then people continued to live under Brits....rebellions broke out but many were still supporting Brits...Brits could not have ruled Bengal had everyone revolted...not only that Brit used soldiers from Bengal in other wars they fought.
Being a British colony did not stop Singapore from being one of the most advanced countries today. Yet Bangladesh remains poor blaming, Pakistan, India, Britain. But they won't blame their laziness or irrational thinking.

People chose to be part of Pakistan. Without fiscal transfers there would not be uprising in Bangladesh. According to my father, only way it could have worked if both sides were in a loose federation having provincial autonomy. In the end people chose to be part of Pakistan. In my opinion that was the right choice then. Because a united Bengal was out of cards after most of the Hindu Bengali leaders of that time, excluding some like Sarat Bose, opted for India. We are responsible for our situation. So instead of whining we should work to improve it.

Who is shining here?
Stating fact is not whining.
You obviously are not reading my posts properly.

- BD is the fastest growing in per capita terms large economy in the world and all major organisations agree it will stay this way till at least 2030. BD is finally showing what is possible in S Asia when you have your own independence and are an actual real country rather than a legal entity.