How to Overtake the Indian Armour ?

[Areesh]

i dont know about your response... enlighten me?

Our response would be swift and defensive with some extent having offensive punch. Things might not be easy as time table you have shared with us. You are not NATO and we are not Libya. Even without China, beating Pakistan isn't an easy job. Cool start is a joke itself considering the nuclear scenario of South Asia but at least tells us the fact that people in New Dehli have realized that annihilation of Pakistan isn't possible to disappointment of many fan boys in Bharat. It would be surprising if you guys would implement successfully cold start without getting a bloody nose or in fact bloody face.

 

[Desert Fox]

China knows very well. if China turn Indo-pak war into three front war that means Inviting WEST with wild card- entry.

But who said we need China to fight for us? What are all of those Tanks, Aircraft, and Ships in our arsenal for?
And i hope you don't think a war with Pakistan will be a cake walk, you have more to loose than us so......

 

[lem34]

By dismantling all terrorist outfits operating in your or your sponsored part of world against India….By increasing trade....Commercial tie-ups like gas pipelines….keeping our religious faiths within ourselves and at any cost not to use it to hurt anyone…growing cultural relationship……respect for everyone and every religion…with all these, you can conquer the heart of billions..

I thought it was indian govt thats unsure of ipi oil pipeline cos of american pressure?

 

[Desert Fox]

Let's assume following situation of cold start doctrine...
Time line January 2016

the build up:

There is a massive terror attack on Indian soil by non state actors originating from pakistan. there is troop buildup similar to 26/11 and then in couple of months everything calms down in the media.

Cold start

Day 1:
22.30 - Brahmos / Nirbhay Missile strikes on forward radar installations, and forward aribases in eastern sector of pakistan.

22.45 hrs:

12 strike packages , each strike package consisting of 4 M2k , 2 MKI flying Air Interdicition config, 3 Mig29SMT and 4 Rafale's flying Air superiority hit target the following targets

PAF Mianwali
PAF Sargodha
Paf jacobabad
PAf mushaf
6th Armoured Division headquartered at Gujranwala
1st Armoured Division headquartered at Multan
12th Infantry Division headquartered at Murree
26th Mechanised Division headquartered at Bahawalpur
22nd Division headquartered at Sargodha

(render them temporarily non operational) (assume 80% objectives achieved according to plan )

4 IAF strike packages same configuration as above strike Pakistan navy preceded with missile attacks from forward deployed INS Delhi, INS Trishul and INS trikand.

4 Naval strike packages attack PN assets in sea in hunter killer formation, composed of 6 Mig 29 each

Indian navy begins forward deployment for its CBG

23.30 hrs:


First wave begins.

IBG combination (assume) Fast attack Light IBG
25 t90, 10 Arjun MBT, 15 IFV, 12 Support vehicle, 3 LCH/ALH/MI 35 forward control, 6 Pinaka batteries. 2 mig 29 cover for each light IBG. 1 battalion of infantry

18 light IBG squads break loc at rajasthan and punjab and gujrat sectors,


00.00 hrs Heavy Air interdiction mission
strike package combination : 4 jaguar 4 M2k bomber missions, 4 Su30 Multirole configuration, 3 Mig 29's flying air superiority mission.
16 strike packages clear ground resistance for light IBG's

00.30 heavy shelling across all available assets

01.15 hrs
Heavy IBG Configuration
35 T90/T72, 15 ArjunMBT, 30 IFV, 4 batteries of SA8, 8 tunguska, 3 LCH/ALH/Mi 35 Forward air control configuration, 10 Pinaka mlrs, (4 Mig 27 close air support and 4 Su 30 MKI dedicated air support for group of 4 heavy IBGS)

16 Heavy IBG's and another 8 light IBG's break LOC in punjab and rajhastan and gujrat sector, Heavy IBG's aim for control of forward PA targets, Light IBG's reinforce the first wave,

01.45 Hrs. Fire missions for Artillery and cruise missiles directed by forward IbG's at resistance.

02.00 First wave IBG"s hold ground with air cover.

02.30 hrs :
Second Strike mission begins after damage estimation of first IAF strike.
20 strike packages (strike package consisting of 4 M2k , 2 MKI flying Air Interdicition config, 3 Mig29SMT and 2 MKI flying Air superiority) forward air installation and armored divisions targeted.

03.10 8 Light IBG from second wave trailing first wave by 2 hrs reinforce 8 light IBG's in Punjab sector. In rajhasthan sector and gujrat sectors 8 IBGS of first wave join into 4 IBGS .

04.00 hrs 12 dual Light IBG's and 16 Heavy IBG's are in pakistani territory engaged with PA in 3 sectors at 28 different locations. 14 locations face very stiff resistance, 6 locations see lighter resistance and IA IBG's break through at 8 locations.

4.30 2 Armored divisions break through into pakitan in 8 groups, and 411 (Independent) Parachute Field Company (Bombay Sappers), 622 Parachute Composite Company ASC are air dropped into forward engagement areas.

5.00 3 Infantry divisions and 2 mountain division mount attack on kashmir sector.

5.30 Air interdiction Missions, Strike package, 4 mig 27 & 4 jaguar strike configuration, 2 rafale flying air superiority, 8 mig 21 air patrol.

6.00 Air Interdiction mission, Strike package, 3 m2k, 5 MKI strike configuration 6 rafale air superiority configuration, 3 Mig 29 SMT air patrol, 2 MKI dedicated electronic warfare configuration.



Assume such are the initial 7 hrs of cold start? what comes next?

And then you woke up and it was all a wet dream.

 

[Abhishek_]

New Dehli have realized that annihilation of Pakistan isn't possible to disappointment of many fan boys in Bharat.

we don't waste our daytime fantasizing about annihilating other countries. That's the pastime of our beloved neighbors during blackouts.
And the pace with which PK is degenerating, we don't even need to lift a finger.
You guys are quite adept at killing each other already, your enemies just need to stand and watch

 

[JohnyD]

I thought it was indian govt thats unsure of ipi oil pipeline cos of american pressure?

Main reason is the security of pipeline and middleman/undertaker who can guarantee that both side will abide to their contractual obligation…if we increase trust among ourselves and reduce the tensions, we would not require guarantee of that third person/country…

 

[DARKY]

While Nasr may be the battle field punch to neutralize any enemy thrust, it's worth noting, how the evolution of the Babur cruise Missile has quitely progressed to possibly end up in a multi launch tube system.

1. Akash Missile

Akash (Sanskrit: आकाश Ākāś "Sky") is India's medium range surface-to-air missile defense system developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Bharat Electronics Limited(BEL) as part of the Integrated Guided Missile Development Program.The missile can target aircraft up to 30 km away, at altitudes up to 18,000 m. Akash can be fired from both tracked and wheeled platforms.[8] Akash is said to be capable of both conventional and nuclear warheads, with a reported payload of 60 kg. A nuclear warhead could potentially give the missile the capability to destroy both aircraft and warheads from ballistic missiles. The missile battery is described as being able to track and attack several targets simultaneously.

An Akash battery comprises four 3D phased array radars and four launchers with three missiles each, all of which are interlinked. Each radar is able to track 16 targets simultaneously and control a launcher with 3 missiles. Hence it is reported to be able to detect 100 and track 64 targets and simultaneously attack any 8 of those targets at one time. The Akash system is comparable to the Patriot system, but unlike the Patriot, Akash is fully mobile and capable of protecting a moving convoy of vehicles. Like the Patriot, the Akash is really an air defence SAM which has been tested in a ballistic missile role. The system provides air defence missile coverage of 2,000 km².

As reported on June 11, 2010, Akash Mk-II version has begun development and will be ready for a first flight in 24 months. The Akash Mk-II will be a longer-range, faster and more accurate SAM. The missile will have an intercept range of 30-35 km and increase in the accuracy of the missile's guidance system and the fire control system.

STATUS : OPERATIONAL/ORDERED


2. Barak-8 /MR-SAM Program

India and Israel agreed to jointly develop a new long range, land-based air defense system to replace the aging Pechora (SA-3 GOA) missiles currently in service with the Indian Air Force. Covering a range of 70 km, the new missile will almost double the range of the 60km vertically launched Barak 8 shipborne missile (also known as Barak NG) currently being developed for the Indian and Israeli Navies under a US$480 million five year program launched in early 2006.

The new missile system will be based on the medium-range naval air defense missile currently under development for the Indian and Israeli Navies. The naval application of the missile will be integrated with the MF-STAR phased array shipborne radar, which Elta claims to be superior to the SPY-1 AEGIS radar. Overall, the MF-STAR / Barak 8 combination is claimed to be superior to the leading US made systems such as AEGIS or Patriot PAC-3 missile systems

STATUS : UNDER DEVELOPMENT

[Note: Some Part of this have been taken by the post made by Indian Member "Major Shaitan Singh" post in WMD section]


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[DARKY]

While Nasr may be the battle field punch to neutralize any enemy thrust, it's worth noting, how the evolution of the Babur cruise Missile has quitely progressed to possibly end up in a multi launch tube system.

3. S-300

The S-300 is a series of Russian long range surface-to-air missile systems produced by NPO Almaz, all based on the initial S-300P version.

The S-300 system was developed to defend against aircraft and cruise missiles for the Soviet Air Defence Forces. Subsequent variations were developed to intercept ballistic missiles. The S-300 was jointly produced by Almaz with Samsung Group of South Korea since 1993.

The S-300 system was first deployed by the Soviet Union in 1979, designed for the air defense of large industrial and administrative facilities, military bases, and control of airspace against enemy strike aircraft.

The project-managing developer of the S-300 is Russian Almaz corporation (government owned, aka "KB-1") which is currently a part of "Almaz-Antei" Air Defense Concern. S-300 uses missiles developed by MKB "Fakel" design bureau (a separate government corporation, aka "OKB-2").

The S-300 is regarded as one of the most potent anti-aircraft missile systems currently fielded. Its radars have the ability to simultaneously track up to 100 targets while engaging up to 12. S-300 deployment time is five minutes. The S-300 missiles are sealed rounds and require no maintenance over their lifetime. An evolved version of the S-300 system is the S-400 (NATO reporting name SA-21), entering limited service in 2004.

STATUS : OPERATIONAL


4. S-125 Neva/Pechora

The Isayev S-125 Neva/Pechora (Russian: С-125 "Нева"/"Печора", NATO reporting name SA-3 Goa) Soviet surface-to-air missile system was designed to complement the S-25 and S-75. It has a shorter effective range and lower engagement altitude than either of its predecessors and also flies slower, but due to its two-stage design it is more effective against more maneuverable targets.

It is also able to engage lower flying targets than the previous systems, and being more modern it is much more resistant to ECM than the S-75. The 5V24 (V-600) missiles reach around Mach 3 to 3.5 in flight, both stages powered by solid fuel rocket motors. The S-125, like the S-75, uses radio command guidance. The naval version of this system has the NATO reporting name SA-N-1 Goa and original designation M-1 Volna (Russian Волна – wave).

STATUS : OPERATIONAL


5. SPYDER SAM

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The SPYDER (Surface-to-air PYthon and DERby) is an anti-aircraft missile system developed by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems (with use of Czech Tatra chassis) and using surface-to-air versions of the Python 5 and Derby missiles, also made by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems. It is a quick reaction medium range missile system. SPYDER is capable of engaging aircraft, helicopters, unmanned air vehicles, drones and precision-guided munitions. It provides air defence for fixed assets and for point and area defence for mobile forces in combat areas.
Aug 18/09: Indian Army’s QR-SAM. The Times of India reports that India’s Ministry of Defence has finally given the go-ahead for the army’s INR 40 billion (about $820 million) Quick-Reaction SAM program. These mobile missiles would protect Indian maneuver elements like armored columns and troop concentrations, as well as important areas and installations. The Army seeks to equip 3 regiments with this contract, which is over twice the size of the IAF’s 18 squadron purchase.

STATUS : Deployed

[Note: Some Part of this have been taken by the post made by Indian Member "Major Shaitan Singh" post in WMD section]

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[DARKY]

While Nasr may be the battle field punch to neutralize any enemy thrust, it's worth noting, how the evolution of the Babur cruise Missile has quitely progressed to possibly end up in a multi launch tube system.

6. MBDA Maitri SAM

The Maitri missile project is a next-generation Quick Reaction Surface-to-Air Missile (QRSAM) with a lethal hundred per cent kill probability. It is a short-range (15km,9.3mi) surface-to-air point defense missile system. It should not be confused with the similar Indian Army Low-Level Quick Reaction Missile system (LLQRM) requirement. The missile will fill the gap created by the Indian government's decision to wind up development of the Trishul point defense missile system. It is believed to be a blend of the French Mica and DRDO Trishul. Maitri will build on the work done by DRDO while developing the Trishul missile, using technology transfer from MBDA to fill the technological gaps that led to the failure of the Trishul project.
his is the programme that succeeds the defunct Trishul shipborne point-defence missile programme, and is a joint venture between DRDO and MBDA, with developmental feeds from the VL-MICA and Trishul programmes.

STATUS : UNDER DEVELOPMENT

7. Tunguska M1

The 2K22 Tunguska (Russian: 2К22 "Тунгуска"; English: Tunguska) is a Russian tracked self-propelled anti-aircraft weapon armed with a surface-to-air gun and missile system. It is designed to provide day and night protection for infantry and tank regiments against low-flying aircraft, helicopters, and cruise missiles in all weather conditions.

STATUS : Deployed

8. SA-8 Gecko

The 9K33 OSA (Russian: Оса; English: wasp) is a highly mobile, low-altitude, short-range tactical surface-to-air missile system. "9K33" is its GRAU designation. Its NATO reporting name is SA-8 Gecko. The SA-8 was the first mobile air defense missile system incorporating its own engagement radars on a single vehicle.
All versions of the 9K33 feature all-in-one 9A33 transporter erector launcher and radar(TELAR) vehicles which can detect, track and engage aircraft independently or with the aid of regimental surveillance radars. The 6-wheeled transport vehicles are fully amphibious and air transportable. The road range is about 500 km. Can engage low flying targets up to a range of 15 km.

STATUS : Deployed

[Note: Some Part of this have been taken by the post made by Indian Member "Major Shaitan Singh" post in WMD section]

windjammer you and SK are very naghty boys. You are scaring our neighbours too much lol

No Wonder Who should be scared more

 

[notorious_eagle]

Two points,

So far I read about, Cold Start is not about breaking Pakistan into two. Nobody wants that and it is just about aquiring a marginal area swiftly.

About NASR, how much accurate is that to target a armed column? + there will be Pachoras & Aakash missiles batteries mounted on T-72 platform along with these armed thrusts apart from close air support.

NASR uses an electro optical homing seeker, thus the missile will be pretty damn accurate when it strikes the armoured column. The purpose of the strike is demonstration, if the Indian SAM's counter the NASR than i say God Bless em as thousands of lives would be saved. With this demonstration Pakistan is letting India know that she is crossing the nuclear threshold and further advance of Indian Armoured Columns will invite a ballistic missile strike. But i reckon that Pakistan will only use NASR if Indian Tanks are knocking on the doors of Karachi and Islamabad.

 

[JohnyD]

very nice pics....

 

[DelhiDareDevil]

Pakistan geographical location is very poor when it comes to a modern war.

The fact that its long and not wide, means India can penetrate Pakistan land deep inside India.

 

[SBD-3]

Pakistan geographical location is very poor when it comes to a modern war.

The fact that its long and not wide, means India can penetrate Pakistan land deep inside India.

are you referring to command and conquer.........?????

 

[JohnyD]

are you referring to command and conquer.........?????

he is talking about length, width of your country...and radius, dimension of India's weapon's reach....there is nothing called as command and conquer...

 

[Cool_Soldier]

OOO....Poor wishes in poor hearts of poor Indians to see cold start.I suggest you, make an Indian Movie "Cold Start" and fulfill your day dreaming in that movie by showing your timetable war