How to counter Gulf threat to Pakistan's integrity ?

[SamranAli]

The Turks have always supported Pakistan.



I am sure Pakistani spies are in the UAE based on the large population of Pakistanis alone.



The best way is to lower the number of consulates in Pakistan from suspicious states. They can have all the money in the world but if they have no way of distributing it then there is no point.

They should only be allowed one embassy (in Islamabad under ISI watch of course) and no consulates IMO.

yup they havn always been loyal to us.

infact true brothers.

 

[American Pakistani]

Very interesting thread.

Apart from planning/carrying out something in GCC, Pakistan should also bring economic prosperity in Balochistan, most Balochs are demanding for economic developments, jobs, infrastucture, improved life style, etc. Also clean the BLA terrorist mess district by district, starting from Makran region districts like Gawadar, Turbat, Las Bela(as this region has less troubles), than move to Western region of Chaghai, etc. Crush these BLA terrorist like flies. Once BLA crushed & rooted out none GCC or any other country can do $h1t.

 

[r3alist]

There is an easy explanation here.

We all know Arab states are British/American creatures, so the way to view their actions is in that context.

One of the points about alleged Arab friendliness to Pakistan is the past and old gestures.

Well REMEMBER - Pakistan used to have good relations with the west because Pakistan fought the wests war in Afghanistan, hence the gulf helped Pakistan.

Now, west is against is, therefore gulf states will fall in line, remember they are creatures, useful to function as the CIA mi6 Islamic patsies, hosted and paid for by Saudi.

The Arab gulf states have been a conduit for American actions, so kindness or bad actions, always puppets!!

 

[Kompromat]

Once a Turk, always a friend.

Turks are pure blood , those who have Turkish friends know that well.

 

[Hyperion]

Turks are pure blood , those who have Turkish friends know that well.

True and true!

Only people I can share my thoughts with!

 

[Kompromat]

trust me had ZAB lived for another five years Pak-Russia ties would have improved to a all new different level & would have yield enormous benefits to both Russia & Pakistan both strategically & economically after all the soviets desperately needed access to the hot waters & Pakistan being the gateway for this had a golden chance to cash it had it played its cards well.

Alliance with Russia is something Russians have been craving for last 67 years , its a natural alliance and has to happen. Bhutto paid the price by allowing Russians in. And i dont think it has anything to do with ZAB , he is just looking for where his next 10% is going to come from.

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

Very interesting thread.

Apart from planning/carrying out something in GCC, Pakistan should also bring economic prosperity in Balochistan, most Balochs are demanding for economic developments, jobs, infrastucture, improved life style, etc. Also clean the BLA terrorist mess district by district, starting from Makran region districts like Gawadar, Turbat, Las Bela(as this region has less troubles), than move to Western region of Chaghai, etc. Crush these BLA terrorist like flies. Once BLA crushed & rooted out none GCC country can do $h1t.

same thing happening in south east of turkey .

Let me tell you what they do . We make airports while making them they burn down trucks that bring cement , they kill engineers. We invest to make jobs they threaten the people and kill them that work . We make schools they kill the teachers. Look at these

They dont want the region to develop and kurds to get education and rich because then they cant trick people to make them terrorists , so they have excuses like they dont have jobs so they joined . Their aims are not for better education , money etc in most cases its for their own country.

 

[KingMamba]

Alliance with Russia is something Russians have been craving for last 67 years , its a natural alliance and has to happen. Bhutto paid the price by allowing Russians in. And i dont think it has anything to do with ZAB , he is just looking for where his next 10% is going to come from.

Pakistan must cement ties with Russia the Russians have also proved great allies albeit to the Bhartis but that was the mistake of Pakistani leaders.

There is an easy explanation here.

We all know Arab states are British/American creatures, so the way to view their actions is in that context.

One of the points about alleged Arab friendliness to Pakistan is the past and old gestures.

Well REMEMBER - Pakistan used to have good relations with the west because Pakistan fought the wests war in Afghanistan, hence the gulf helped Pakistan.

Now, west is against is, therefore gulf states will fall in line, remember they are creatures, useful to function as the CIA mi6 Islamic patsies, hosted and paid for by Saudi.

The Arab gulf states have been a conduit for American actions, so kindness or bad actions, always puppets!!

Do not toss the Saudis in there. The Saudis have at least tried to make an effort to break away from being a puppet. If Pakistan and Saudi Arabia must break away it has to be done together.

Very interesting thread.

Apart from planning/carrying out something in GCC, Pakistan should also bring economic prosperity in Balochistan, most Balochs are demanding for economic developments, jobs, infrastucture, improved life style, etc. Also clean the BLA terrorist mess district by district, starting from Makran region districts like Gawadar, Turbat, Las Bela(as this region has less troubles), than move to Western region of Chaghai, etc. Crush these BLA terrorist like flies. Once BLA crushed & rooted out none GCC country can do $h1t.

That is what I always thought as well, break Baluchistan down into 4-5 different provinces or districts. Then go district to district cleaning out the scum establishing green zones in every district that is clear. Then they can establish jobs and infrastructure in the green districts and move on to cleaning out the next one. Baluchistan cannot be cleaned out straight up because it is just too big of a province.

 

[RazorMC]

We have made lots of mistakes in the past and unfortunately our mistakes tend to have colossal outcomes.

Our decision to help the US against the Soviets was a blunder and helped to remove a balance to the current super-power from the map. Since then the US has had a free rein to do as it pleases without worrying about Soviet support to its enemies. Truth be told, the Soviets (now the Russians) have displayed their commitment to allies; something we have yet to see from ours.

We also allowed radical training camps to be built on our soil without thinking of the backlash. Even though many Arabs choose to follow the Salafi school of thought, they don't intend to blow themselves up. They don't even have access to the kind of weapons available here. So school of thought isn't to blame, it is only an excuse used to justify violence and personal gains.

To understand Dubai's view on Gwadar, we need to look at the city itself. There's no oil to bring petro-dollars, not enough cultivation to provide food-security to it and a very small tax-base should they choose to impose it. But Dubai's leadership has been working hard to make up for this loss. A massive port and tourism are only some of those steps to bring more money into the city. If our government develops Gwadar to its full potential and works on a tax-free status, we can hope to see the emergence of a strategically important port famed for tourism and a tax-haven which can bring billions into our starving economic system. This ofcourse, will come at Dubai's cost. Another city like Karachi en-route to Dubai will diminish its value greatly.

We don't have to take any radical measures to counter interference. We can work with the government of Sharjah to develop its own port in Khorfakkan as a rival to Jebel-Ali's (in Dubai). Let them know we mean business, but in a nice way. KSA might not be too interested in Gwadar so there is little chance that they'll put their weight either way. And there is no need to bring China into this since they will be reluctant to do so anyways.

 

[American Pakistani]

same thing happening in south east of turkey .

Let me tell you what they do . We make airports while making them they burn down trucks that bring cement , they kill engineers. We invest to make jobs they threaten the people and kill them that work . We make schools they kill the teachers.
They dont want the region to develop and kurds to get education and rich because then they cant trick people to make them terrorists , so they have excuses like they dont have jobs so they joined . Their aims are not for better education , money etc in most cases its for their own country.

Well Pakistan case is similar too but have some more additions, for instance Afghanistan, a neighbour of Pakistan, sits quiet as the terrorist use their ground freely to conduct terrorism in Western Pakistan, many hostile countries too take advantage of this & train BLA & TTP terrorists in Af'stan to spread chaos in Pakistan, Balochistan is rich with mineral/natural resources & there is a possibilty of huge deposits of Coal, Gold, Oil & Gas also the province of Balochistan have very strategic location. So there is not one or two countries having evil eye on that province of Pakistan but i believe this number may be atleast 10-12. I think Pakistan & Turkey should co-operate more & both countries should share their valuable experiances with each other. Hope Peace comes to both countries.

That is what I always thought as well, break Baluchistan down into 4-5 different provinces or districts. Then go district to district cleaning out the scum establishing green zones in every district that is clear. Then they can establish jobs and infrastructure in the green districts and move on to cleaning out the next one. Baluchistan cannot be cleaned out straight up because it is just too big of a province.

Actually Sir, Balochistan already have districts in it, if you mean province than i think it is good idea too. South of Balochistan which is relatively peaceful than other parts of Balochistan should be made new province namely Makran. The Central part & the region bordering Sind province should be made Qalat province(Kalat) & rest part should remain Balochistan. If this is done there will be troubles only in(new) Kalat province, the (new) Balochistan may have problems but will mostly be sectarian related & the (new) Makran province will be turned into a mighty economic hub. It will also be easy to clean BLA terrorism mess in the region.

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

Well Pakistan case is similar too but have some more additions, for instance Afghanistan, a neighbour of Pakistan, sits quiet as the terrorist use their ground freely to conduct terrorism in Western Pakistan, many hostile countries too take advantage of this & train BLA & TTP terrorists in Af'stan to spread chaos in Pakistan, Balochistan is rich with mineral/natural resources & there is a possibilty of huge deposits of Coal, Gold, Oil & Gas also the province of Balochistan have very strategic location. So there is not one or two countries having evil eye on that province of Pakistan but i believe this number may be atleast 10-12. I think Pakistan & Turkey should co-operate more & both countries should share their valuable experiances with each other. Hope Peace comes to both countries.


Inshallah , but remember as afghanistan allows them to stay , we have the same problem , since like 1990s to 1999 syria allowed the PKK leader and terrorists in its land continously , we acted diplomatically to expel them , they did nothing , they said he isnt here , we showed them pictures from our intelligence and even his addres number they said no , 2 times our intellegince went to assasinate him but was told not to last minute , this was all done by hafez all assad , at last we got angry and we threatened them , we sent tanks to the border , even mubarak and other leaders knew how serious it was and told him to expel him . Even after he got expelled from syria he went greece , russia and italy , we even warned italy , we was going to blow up his house in italy even though they were NATO member thats how much we was dedicated , finally he went to greece then pressure to greece he went to greece embassy in kenya and then captured . Please watch 2.00 to 4.00 mins , you will see our general threatened syria and our president our neighbour harboring terrorists .

It was syria before now its iraq mainly and now syria again trying it .

 

[American Pakistani]

Well Pakistan case is similar too but have some more additions, for instance Afghanistan, a neighbour of Pakistan, sits quiet as the terrorist use their ground freely to conduct terrorism in Western Pakistan, many hostile countries too take advantage of this & train BLA & TTP terrorists in Af'stan to spread chaos in Pakistan, Balochistan is rich with mineral/natural resources & there is a possibilty of huge deposits of Coal, Gold, Oil & Gas also the province of Balochistan have very strategic location. So there is not one or two countries having evil eye on that province of Pakistan but i believe this number may be atleast 10-12. I think Pakistan & Turkey should co-operate more & both countries should share their valuable experiances with each other. Hope Peace comes to both countries.


Inshallah , but remember as afghanistan allows them to stay , we have the same problem , since like 1990s to 1999 syria allowed the PKK leader and terrorists in its land continously , we acted diplomatically to expel them , they did nothing , they said he isnt here , we showed them pictures from our intelligence and even his addres number they said no , 2 times our intellegince went to assasinate him but was told not to last minute , this was all done by hafez all assad , at last we got angry and we threatened them , we sent tanks to the border , even mubarak and other leaders knew how serious it was and told him to expel him . Even after he got expelled from syria he went greece , russia and italy , we even warned italy , we was going to blow up his house in italy even though they were NATO member thats how much we was dedicated , finally he went to greece then pressure to greece he went to greece embassy in kenya and then captured . Please watch 2.00 to 4.00 mins , you will see our general threatened syria and our president our neighbour harboring terrorists .

It was syria before now its iraq mainly and now syria again trying it .

Thats very very sad to hear, i don't know why muslim countries don't co-operate with each other. Same case is with Af'stan they don't co-operate & if Pakistan use it's own force than they start crying. BTW i don't wanna turn this thread into different direction.

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

thats what i dont understand aswell , always backstabbing , harboring terrorists , unbelievable and they call them Muslim.

Did you watch 2.00 to 4.00 mins

 

[Hasbara Buster]

"Ottoman-Turk" as always talking out of his behind and only focusing on half-truths.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

why our spy agents does not take action in Gulf States and Kill them ? as Israel did last time in UAE.

those mossad agents were caught red-handed and pissed off a lot of countries....we dont need that kind of negative press