How does PDF turks feel abt their country joining the EU?

[xenon54 out]

We have prove that Turkey supported ISIS. The italian secret service knows and already made public that your former PM saw ISIS as legitimate group to fight Assad. We know ISIS sells its oil through turkey. Most of this is done by Erdogans son. We know that ISIS fighters were supplied by turkish trucks. We also know that ISIS fighters were treated in turkish hospitals.

Posting the same bs wont make it true even KRG denied your ''proofs'', pkk however is getting its funding from Europe by seeling drugs on the streets, the same group thats in the terror list of Europe and they are being tolerated.

 

[MarkusS]

Turkish shelling kills 55 Islamic State militants in northern Syria: military sources
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-idUSKCN0XZ05R

More conspiracy theories, while we obliterate terrorists. This is what Europe has come to, a weak entity who is all talks no action. Weaklings

You do this now. After your ISIS attacked one of your cities.

Normally you let ISIS do what they want and ignore them or fund them.

http://www.businessinsider.com/links-between-turkey-and-isis-are-now-undeniable-2015-7

Meanwhile we continue supporting YPG. They fight effective against ISIS and did so from the beginning.

Give me a reason why we should trust turkey, which supported ISIS to the highest ranks and drop YPG? YPG is trustworthy, turkey is not.

Italy gives also training to Peshmerga fighters and so far its very positive:

Basic fact is, that kurds from Peshmerga and YPG are a real partner and far more trustworthy than turkey, which is led by a more and more demented despot.

But let me ask you, how pathetic weak is turkey that it allowed ISIS directly at its border? Wouldn´t it have been great for your image if you brought freedom to Kobane or Palmyra?

You aren´t responsible for turk elites dealing oil, artifacts and weapons with ISIS. But you are responsible for sitting there and watch while they commit genocide and massmurder right infront your border.

Your army illegaly entered iraqi area so dont even dare to denie that you accepted ISIS doing what it did.

Turkey lost the trust of its allies. Its time you do something to win it back again.

If you believe anyone in Rome, Paris, Berlin, Madrid or Washington has trust in you or your country then you are mistaken.

Turkey went so deep that it supported ISIS to get the downfall of Assad.

You openly stated above that your country can control ISIS. What else you expect?

In the end we have to deal with turkey. Its wrong to alienate it but important to cut connections down to the absolute minimum.

Posting the same bs wont make it true even KRG denied your ''proofs'', pkk however is getting its funding from Europe by seeling drugs on the streets, the same group thats in the terror list of Europe and they are being tolerated.

PKK is nothing compared to ISIS. Turkey should start to become a more worthful partner than PKK and europe might drop PKK support.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Turkey lost the trust of its allies. Its time you do something to win it back again.

If you believe anyone in Rome, Paris, Berlin, Madrid or Washington has trust in you or your country then you are mistaken.

What makes you think we die for your trust? Do you honestly think we trust EU or the USA? If our interests are at stake we will leave that camp within a blink of an eye. We are more than capable to handle our own nation, thank you very much. Just don't support Kurdish seperatist movements, we won't give them an inch of land. And if you do, you will do it at the expense of facing potential terrorist threats in your own nations

 

[xenon54 out]

PKK is nothing compared to ISIS. Turkey should start to become a more worthful partner than PKK and europe might drop PKK support.

This is from your point of view, they dont make trouble to you apart from illegal activities, Europe is tolerating them since decades its nothing new and didnt start with Syria.
If there is a reason that pkk cant be finished since decades then its because Europe is tolerating their activities, so keep your partnership to yourself.
Turkey will follow its interests, you are free to close eyes to pkk or support them but dont be hypocritical as if everything you do is rightful.

 

[MarkusS]

What makes you think we die for your trust? Do you honestly think we trust EU or the USA? If our interests are at stake we will leave that camp within a blink of an eye. We are more than capable to handle our own nation, thank you very much. Just don't support Kurdish seperatist movements, we won't give them an inch of land. And if you do, you will do it at the expense of facing potential terrorist threats in your own nations

I dont believe you die for our trust. You go your way and we go ours.

Thats why we have to support YPG. It would be foolish for us under this circumstances to not do so.

But i would like to hear your opinion. What should italy do? We saw that turkey supports ISIS. If you would be in our boots, would you honestly trust a country that deals oil and weapons with ISIS? Would you trust a maniac like Erdogan?

On a sidenote i respect your honesty that you openly state that you support and promote terrorism.

This is from your point of view, they dont make trouble to you apart from illegal activities, Europe is tolerating them since decades its nothing new and didnt start with Syria.
If there is a reason that pkk cant be finished since decades then its because Europe is tolerating their activities, so keep your partnership to yourself.
Turkey will follow its interests, you are free to close eyes to pkk or support them but dont be hypocritical as if everything you do is rightful.

In the end we must do what is right for us. ISIS is bad for us. YPG fight against ISIS. Turkey supports ISIS. Its an easy calculation.

If we fight YPG we remove the only asset that fights ISIS on the ground and leave the ISIS supporter Turkey unrivaled. You may agree that would be rather stupid.

 

[xenon54 out]

In the end we must do what is right for us. ISIS is bad for us. YPG fight against ISIS. Turkey supports ISIS. Its an easy calculation.

If we fight YPG we remove the only asset that fights ISIS on the ground and leave the ISIS supporter Turkey unrivaled. You may agree that would be rather stupid.

Europe tolerated pkk long before ypg even existed, besides Turkey does not support isis, they are attacking Turkey on daily basis, they have killed more Turks than all Europeans combined.

But i know ''they are biting the hand that fed them'' bla bla

 

[Zulkarneyn]

But i would like to hear your opinion. What should italy do? We saw that turkey supports ISIS. If you would be in our boots, would you honestly trust a country that deals oil and weapons with ISIS? Would you trust a maniac like Erdogan?

It would be foolish of Italy not to get behind the biggest country in Middle East+Europe. Whatever you guys do, you should try and converge with Turkey's interests to your own benefit. If that means supporting our fight against PKK, you should do that. You may think PKK is closer to you currently, but that's just an illusion. I invite you to go to East Turkey or Antalya or Istanbul to those neighbourhoods and tourist hells where Kurds roam everywhere. Perhaps than you will realize you support what's biggest threat to Europe. Turkish values are much closer to European than Kurdish or Arabic. It's time you open your eyes up to this, so that you can fight off these evils (Daesh PKK etc), for your own good

We do what's in our interest. The magic is to be able to respect our interests and security concerns, instead of accusing us of supporting Daesh nonstop. Those are lowlife conspiracy theories with no real backing. Were we to ally Daesh we wouldn't suffer terrorist attacks inside our borders by Daesh, or actively engage in conflict with them, killing dusins of them daily.

On a sidenote i respect your honesty that you openly state that you support and promote terrorism.

I don't support terrorism in any kind. Merely pointing out that you support a group, who can potentially be a threat to you as well. Feed it enough and it will attack its masters, because its an untamed dog with no sense of direction

 

[MarkusS]

It would be foolish of Italy not to get behind the biggest country in Middle East+Europe. Whatever you guys do, you should try and converge with Turkey's interests to your own benefit. If that means supporting our fight against PKK, you should do that. You may think PKK is closer to you currently, but that's just an illusion. I invite you to go to East Turkey or Antalya or Istanbul to those neighbourhoods and tourist hells where Kurds roam everywhere. Perhaps than you will realize you support what's biggest threat to Europe. Turkish values are much closer to European than Kurdish or Arabic. It's time you open your eyes up to this, so that you can fight off these evils (Daesh PKK etc), for your own good

We do what's in our interest. The magic is to be able to respect our interests and security concerns, instead of accusing us of supporting Daesh nonstop. Those are lowlife conspiracy theories with no real backing. Were we to ally Daesh we wouldn't suffer terrorist attacks inside our borders by Daesh, or actively engage in conflict with them, killing dusins of them daily.


I don't support terrorism in any kind. Merely pointing out that you support a group, who can potentially be a threat to you as well. Feed it enough and it will attack its masters, because its an untamed dog with no sense of direction

Your last sentence is exactly what we believe happened with ISIS and Turkey. Erdogan wanted an islamic revolution in syria as well as in egypt. In egypt it backfired and in syria it went into a full desaster.

Our interests are clear, that syria gets stabilized. If this needs Assad in power so be it. We made a mistake as we wanted him removed. Its necessary to correct mistakes.

We want ISIS crushed and annihilated and we want our borders secure.

If we can achieve this with turkey than thats great. If we think we cant achieve this with turkey then we and turkey have a problem.

I must also admit i dont know turkey enough to make a difference between turks and kurds. I was only in Istanbul for 3 days and in Ephesos for one day.

You say we should respect your interests, fair deal. But can you respect our interests. Well or to widen the question since i know you would...do you think your current leader would be able to respect ours?

 

[bosanski vojnik]

Hehe dude getting rejected is nothing new, more than 40 years. Understand this tiny fact already that EU process is just a political strategy, Turks don't want to join the union. I don't understand why people think we, as citizens, are dying to join EU...

If Turkey were to join the European Union they would most likely liberalize their armed forces, male workforce that would go abroad en masse, culture, and remove patriachy. Turkey would basically become another Poland or Romania which is a laughing stock in Western European countries and has bad reputation for cheap workforce and illicit activities that are too embarrassing to write about even on this forum. Basically those EE countries are looked at as fools by Western Europe which has always been and will always be the central core power of the EU.

by joining the EU Turkey would have become a slave. At least this way Turkey can decide it's own destiny, can build strong male society and keep their Army with large numbers. I am not Erdogans fan but this is a very good decision he made.

Even though I thought it was a hasty and rash decision Turkey managed to shoot down a Russian fighter jet and the Putin did not even retaliate. You know why? Because unlike European countries which have destroyed own patriarchy and are full of gay rights and so called feminist rights Turkey has a strong Male population. Strong male population = strong country. As long as Turkey has good markets in Balkan, middle-east and Asia they can afford to take a slight hit to their economy. geostrategy interests are more important anyway.

 

[Taygibay]

I must also admit i dont know turkey enough to make a difference between turks and kurds.

WOW! Really? And you're still talking and arguing?

Why?

Just sayin' Tay.

 

[xenon54 out]

WOW! Really? And you're still talking and arguing?

Why?

Just sayin' Tay.

At least Makus is honest about his ignorance, whats more annoying are those self righteous wanna be experts ranting around without having any knowledge about Turkey or Turks.

 

[MarkusS]

WOW! Really? And you're still talking and arguing?

Why?

Just sayin' Tay.

Why? I doubt you can make a difference between me as someone from tuscany or someone from lazio.

 

[MarkusS]

Here are the answers, why Turkey will never join the EU and we don't want to meet Millions of Kurd's in the EU.

Die Türkei gehört geographisch, geostrategisch und religiös-kulturell nicht zu Europa. Sie würde die EU wirtschaftlich und politisch sprengen. Die EU in ihrer bisherigen Form als friedliche Gemeinschaft freier europäischer Völker wäre am Ende. Sie müsste sich auflösen und in eine reine Freihandelszone umwandeln.



Be honest and serious South Italy is more Greek and Arab, same is south Spain.

Idiotic to say since all of italy is half etruskan and half greece.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Und Du glaubst, die Türken wollten wirklich der EU beitreten?

 

[MarkusS]

Evidence ?

History.

Italy was settled by etruscans. Later on greek colonies were formed. Those two merged into the roman society. The etruscan and greek culture formed a new one which we call roman later on.

You should get some education.