How does PDF turks feel abt their country joining the EU?

[Zulkarneyn]

The above poster did it.I just mentioned IMF numbers and they don't lie.

Anybody knows that Westerners think admitting Romania was a mistake and the truth is that if Turkey gets admitted in 2020-2022 it will be an 80 million country with a GDP per capita lower than Romania.They (Western Euros) just won't go there.

What did you smoke mate? GDP per capita lower than Romania?
Just to refresh your memory Romania GDP per capiat 10k, Turkey 10,5k
Growth for Turkey is around 6 percent, what's for Romania? 3 percent? How will your per capita exceed Turkey's. Enlighten us

 

[damm1t]

The above poster did it.I just mentioned IMF numbers and they don't lie.

Anybody knows that Westerners think admitting Romania was a mistake and the truth is that if Turkey gets admitted in 2020-2022 it will be an 80 million country with a GDP per capita lower than Romania.They (Western Euros) just won't go there.

First, Turkey's population = 4 times Romania's population. Fvck GDP per capita, it's never been a sign of healthy economy.

Look at you guys, small European countries... You have no war nearby for decades, you have no ongoing terror problems for decades , you don't live at the most problematic region in the world, you don't live in the middle of the political chessboard of greater powers, you don't have to deal with seperatist traitors inside of the country, You have no greater number of population than Turkey ( excluding 2-3 countries)... you have NO excuse for not developing and getting rich... Despite all Turkey did great than many of European countries. And you small european countries will keep being puppets of countries like Ger, Fr etc. with zero effect. You are nothing without EU aids.

 

[flamer84]

First, Turkey's population = 4 times Romania's population. Fvck GDP per capita, it's never been a sign of healthy economy.

Look at you guys, small European countries... You have no war nearby for decades, you have no ongoing terror problems for decades , you don't live at the most problematic region in the world, you don't live in the middle of the political chessboard of greater powers, you don't have to deal with seperatist traitors inside of the country, You have no greater number of population than Turkey ( excluding 2-3 countries)... you have NO excuse for not developing and getting rich... Despite all Turkey did great than many of European countries. And you small european countries will keep being puppets of countries like Ger, Fr etc. with zero effect. You are nothing without EU aids.

Lol...we were ex communist countries,the entire economy had to be rebuilt,Romania under Ceausescu was a mini North Korea.Turkey was in the capitalist camp and it didn't even suffer the devastating effects of WW2 and you can only have the same living standards as Romania,well under Poland,Slovakia,Czech Republic,etc.....want the same population Pol+Rou+ Czech Rep=68.5 million people with a bigger economy than 78 million Turkey....happy now ?

What did you smoke mate? GDP per capita lower than Romania?
Just to refresh your memory Romania GDP per capiat 10k, Turkey 10,5k
Growth for Turkey is around 6 percent, what's for Romania? 3 percent? How will your per capita exceed Turkey's. Enlighten us

Basically almost the same.....predicted to be lower by 2020,Turkey had 4% growth not 6,Romania 3.72%.Sry,check the IMF site,if Turkey gets admitted in 2020 it will only have GDP per capita bigger than Bulgaria and would be the 2nd most poor EU country.

 

[damm1t]

Lol...we were ex communist countries,the entire economy had to be rebuilt,Romania under Ceausescu was a mini North Korea.Turkey was in the capitalist camp and it didn't even suffer the devastating effects of WW2 and you can only have the same living standards as Romania,well under Poland,Slovakia,Czech Republic,etc.....

Look mate, I won't here argue with someone who basically has no knowledge about Turkey. And I don't claim we are as good as top 10 economies. But saying same life standarts as Romania is just stupid..

Germany literally has been ceased from excistence after WW2 but they used their chance and time being in the middle of Europe, paid its debts, developed and keep developing.. Leave aside Ceausescu era, what Romania did after 1990 ? In 25 years ? Except playing badas Mafia of Europe ?

 

[flamer84]

Look mate, I won't here argue with someone who basically has no knowledge about Turkey. And I don't claim we are as good as top 10 economies. But saying same life standarts as Romania is just stupid..

Germany literally has been ceased from excistence after WW2 but they used their chance and time being in the middle of Europe, paid its debts, developed and keep developing.. Leave aside Ceausescu era, what Romania did after 1990 ? In 25 years ? Except playing badas Mafia of Europe ?

Germany benefited from the Marshall plan and an open economy after 1945.We were a commie country with a planned economy with the Soviets dismantling our industry and robbing our resources 'till the mid 50's.As for the living standards you can just google wages,etc,it's not rocket science.You think having a big population when you're sitting geographically where Turkey does is a curse ? It's a big consumer market ,it should attract FDI....What did Turkey do in all those years that is at the same level ? History has been kind to you after 1945 but you didn't really grasp the oportunity and all the huff and puff won't change that.

 

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Everyone knows Turkey won't join EU, Turkey is using this to show how hypocritical europeans are.

 

[flamer84]

Everyone knows Turkey won't join EU, Turkey is using this to show how hypocritical europeans are.

Seriously,why are they hypocritical.?As an example,everyone agrees that letting Romania in was a huge mistake.Why would they let in a 4xtimes more populated country with the same GDP per capita.?Everyone in here talks like they're not letting Germany in.

Plus,journalists are jailed in Turkey for not worshipping the god emperor Erdogan,there's a civil war going on and the sultan keeps ranting about Islam this,Islam that.Not very European of him.

 

[damm1t]

Seriously,why are they hypocritical.?As an example,everyone agrees that letting Romania in was a huge mistake.Why would they let in a 4xtimes more populated country with the same GDP per capita.?Everyone in here talks like they're not letting Germany in.

Plus,journalists are jailed in Turkey for not worshipping the god emperor Erdogan,there's a civil war going on and the sultan keeps ranting about Islam this,Islam that.Not very European of him.

What civil war you talking about? We have no civil war inside of Turkey. Secondly, what do you know about jailed journalists? If you think they are jailed for criticising Erdoğan than half of the media would be in jail today.. Again you proved your incompetence on Turkey's internal issues. Western media, specially German media play this card so many times despite they got their answers.

Another thing is that many surveys show that Turks don't want to join EU with a really high percentage. EU policy is just a strategy so don't talk like we are dying to join EU.

It's really funny that people think GDP PPP is a major indicator of a strong economy and compare Romania with Turkey By this logic Lichtenstein is even stronger, bigger economy than the Usa, China...

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Turkey, EU agree to renegotiate Customs Union after 20 years
http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/press/index.cfm?id=1307
http://aa.com.tr/en/economy/turkey-eu-agree-to-renegotiate-customs-union-after-20-years/65230

Visa-free travel
http://www.dailysabah.com/eu-affair...sa-liberalization-turks-near-visa-free-travel

NATO membership

Becoming a member of the EU?

 

[MarkusS]

Turkey is an oriental country with an oriental culture. It will never be part of EU.

Simple fact is that the majority of europeans dont want turks in the EU. France, Italy and Austria already said if it should ever come close to this they will do a referendum and its plain and simple obvious that the ajority of people would vote against it.

So this entire topic is nonsense here.

As for turkish economy, its a developing country with some recent backlashs. The east is still very poor and you have civil war there. The country is ruled by a despotic tyrant. So i dont see it join the EU ever.

 

[Metanoia]

I think I am with @flamer84 over here. Turkey's population is quite high and their economy, although not bad, is not significantly remarkable either. Another point to ponder is that due to an "ok" economy and and a large population, the movement of Turkish immigrants might pose all sorts of insecurities for the EU leadership.

 

[UKBengali]

Basically almost the same.....predicted to be lower by 2020,Turkey had 4% growth not 6,Romania 3.72%.Sry,check the IMF site,if Turkey gets admitted in 2020 it will only have GDP per capita bigger than Bulgaria and would be the 2nd most poor EU country.

Would you be ok if Turks had to wait say 7 years after being admitted into EU before they are able to move to other parts of the EU?

This way we are looking at say 2027(join EU in 2020) before they have this right and that should give sufficient time in order for Turkish living standards to narrow enough that vast majority of Turks see no need to migrate.

 

[flamer84]

It's really funny that people think GDP PPP is a major indicator of a strong economy and compare Romania with Turkey By this logic Lichtenstein is even st

Would you be ok if Turks had to wait say 7 years after being admitted into EU before they are able to move to other parts of the EU?

This way we are looking at say 2027(join EU in 2020) before they have this right and that should give sufficient time in order for Turkish living standards to narrow enough that vast majority of Turks see no need to migrate.

Wow...hold on a minute.I am not a hypocrite,i have nothing against Turks working in the EU,especially me,as a Romanian.It's not like they'll be working in Romania or something.I just stated Westerners opinion about it.You are a UK citizen,you know how much outrage was in the air about "the invading Romanians".Now imagine a 4 times more populous Turkey with much or less the same living standards,11% unemployement,and...let's just say it....muslims.

I was in fact a supporter of Turkey joining the EU but now when I see Erdogan's neo ottoman,blatantly islamist agenda and the fact that he's supported by the majority of Turks,I realise that Turkey can't integrate to European values.

Btw,today,the god emperor on the Bosphorus just got rid of one of the few sensible people in his party,PM Davutoglu,which,coincidentally,was very well liked by the EU politicians.He's now the only star shinning on his personal Anatolian feud.

 

[UKBengali]

Wow...hold on a minute.I am not a hypocrite,i have nothing against Turks working in the EU,especially me,as a Romanian.It's not like they'll be working in Romania or something.I just stated Westerners opinion about it.You are a UK citizen,you know how much outrage was in the air about "the invading Romanians".Now imagine a 4 times more populous Turkey with much or less the same living standards,11% unemployement,and...let's just say it....muslims.

I was in fact a supporter of Turkey joining the EU but now when I see Erdogan's neo ottoman,blatantly islamist agenda and the fact that he's supported by the majority of Turks,I realise that Turkey can't integrate to European values.

Btw,today,the god emperor on the Bosphorus just got rid of one of the few sensible people in his party,PM Davutoglu,which,coincidentally,was very well liked by the EU politicians.He's now the only star shinning on his personal Anatolian feud.

True that the EU cannot handle millions of Turks migrating to it.

I think the best way to do this would be to have special clause in the membership conditions that mandates that Turkey reaches a figure(why not 90%) of EU average GDP/capita before it's citizens can travel freely.

This free movement of people worked originally as there was not too much difference between the richest and poorest EU members. This all changed when the EU was expanded to include Eastern Europe which compared to the Western EU nations were much poorer.

 

[jammersat]

i'm not a turk but i'm glad turks can travel freely across europe without visas , they could be also able to roam the steppes of canada and USA without a visa , that way they pave the way for us persians to go there and do what we must and bring down the zionist regime ,

Ataturk once famously said to "look westward" and Nietzsche also said "if you gaze into an abyss the abyss will gaze into you"