History of the looting of the Indian army in the war of liberation , and reasons of helping us (Bangladesh)

[VikingRaider]

After being slapped by Ronin, do you still have any standing to advise anyone?

Perhaps you haven't noticed that I already tagged him ( @The Ronin ) in another post and asked him a question , and didn't get answer yet.

Let him answer first,I am waiting, and if the thread won't get locked , there are plenty of times to answer anyone, why so hurry ; a forum isn't instant messenger that people have to respond instantly.

You better speak for yourself instead of speaking for others and mind your own business and show your own dignity instead of shamelessly doing sycophancy, if you don't want to be slapped harder.

@magra

 

[Baibars_1260]

Before the mods lock this thread for derailing let me make my last post.

People with spare time like to create fantasies. The mountaneous terrain of the area does not allow airforce to come in. Only ground army invading through a narrow strip stands no chance against Indian army units from both sides. At best, they can attempt this as a tactic to divert Indian forces to this area and then launch a real attack on Tawang.

Agree, and that too will happen if India is engaged in operations in the north trying to recapture Azad Kashmir and Aksai Chin...
( Far fetched but Indian retired generals have far more time on their hands and make claims of recovering these territories on TV channels.)

Not aware of any such agreement that will ensure Indian military logistics in BD. Can you please give me links.

Check these out. These are "civil" logistics agreements but can and will be used for military logistics also.

India Bangladesh Transit Treaty (Part I): The Costs and the Opportunities

The India-Bangladesh transit deal has challenges as well as scope of huge benefits to both stakeholders but which of the two is reaping more rewards?

www.lightcastlebd.com

Pakistan has seen many more coups and assassination attempts (on Musharraf, Zia). I am not sure if this is a parameter of how strong the army is. In any case, even a limited strength is good enough for defending marshy lands.

Pakistan's coups have not been via mutinies and no blood has been shed. Since 1971 the only mutiny Pakistan's armed forces have faced have been during the Civil War when the EBR and EPR mutineed.
Bangladesh has faced a string of bloody mutinies assassinating two heads of states, and a couple of generals.
In 1984 India faced multiple mutinies from its Sikh regiments in its Army with a senior rebellious general being killed in Operation Bluestar. 1979 there were mutinies in the CISF, BSF and CRPF the largest paramilitary outfits in India. There was also a mutiny in the PAC , the largest state paramilitary outfit from India's largest state of Uttar Pradesh.
Marshy land is no obstacle to amphibious tanks, and hovercraft and India has invested in these capabilities with a view to operations in Bangladesh-

Hindus are less than 10% of BD population. Also, are you saying BD Hindus are not BD patriots?
Similarly, do you think Indian muslims will support Pak army in case of an Indo-Pak conflict?

Hindus in Bangladesh are far more marginalized than Indian Muslims. They have little reason to be patriotic. There is no influx of Indian Muslims fleeing India into Pakistan...as yet.
We are discussing India and Bangladesh not India and Pakistan. Whether Indian Muslims are patriotic or not, is not for us Pakistanis to answer. Your politicians have the answer.

Yogi Adityanath: 'Muslims did no favour to India by staying here'

Yogi Adityanath, a controversial ruling party politician, spoke to the BBC in a rare interview.

www.bbc.com

 

[magra]

Perhaps you haven't noticed that I already tagged him and asked him a question , and didn't get answer yet. Let him answer first,I am waiting, and if the thread won't get locked , there are plenty bod times to answer anyone, no hurry for anyone ; a forum isn't instant messenger that people have to respond instantly.

You better speak for yourself instead of speaking for others and mind your own business and show your own dignity instead of shamelessly doing sycophancy, if you don't want to be slapped harder.

@marga

When you open a thread maligning India and do not apologize even after being exposed, then it is my business. Writing in bold and color does not give you any brownie points.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

on their own territory and have severe discipline and corruption problems with several bloody coups and assassinations. The Al Jazeera report ( Link ) shows how corrupt and unprofessional its armed forces are. It is not a popular people's army.

So, UN recruiting their largest contingent of peace keeping forces from an unprofessional forces? Bloody coup happened in 1970s, you would be fool to asume that, those events have somehow relevance today. What Al Jazeera revealved is a case of politicization in the top brass of army in favor of current govt. This is a problem not unique to Bangladesh. Any autocratic govt. try to influence the Armed Forces for it's survival. Al Jazeera report does not said anything which can be use to brand Bangladesh army unprofessional or incompetent. Corupt army chief will go in a few years later. But the Armed forces will remain. I do not think General Aziz in anyway undermined the training or discipline of the army. In fact he has taken some good initiative to procure weapons for Army, such as medium range GMLRS and light Tank.

 

[VikingRaider]

When you open a thread maligning India and do not apologize even after being exposed, then it is my business. Writing in bold and color does not give you any brownie points.

You are now becoming inconsistent.

You also claimed to exposed me one more time before , but the game isn't over yet. Be patient lad , read my message ( that you just quoted) I edited slightly . Go an check again .

You will get my full reply.

If it's not enough, stop whining.

@magra

 

[magra]

Agree, and that too will happen if India is engaged in operations in the north trying to recapture Azad Kashmir and Aksai Chin...

We will retake Pak Kashmir once Pak breaks down on its own or wilfully surrenders. We will have strategic patience till then. Why disturb an enemy when its going downhill.

Pakistan's coups have not been via mutinies and no blood has been shed. Since 1971 the only mutiny Pakistan's armed forces have faced have been during the Civil War when the EBR and EPR mutineed.
Bangladesh has faced a string of bloody mutinies assassinating two heads of states, and a couple of generals.

I dont know if Bhutto's hanging by Zia and Zia's heli crash can be termed bloodless mutiny.

In 1984 India faced multiple mutinies from its Sikh regiments in its Army with a senior rebellious general being killed in Operation Bluestar. 1979 there were mutinies in the CISF, BSF and CRPF the largest paramilitary outfits in India. There was also a mutiny in the PAC , the largest state paramilitary outfit from India's largest state of Uttar Pradesh.

I thought you were trying to prove that Indian army is very professional and advanced compared to BD. Your above points are not helping in those.

Marshy land is no obstacle to amphibious tanks, and hovercraft and India has invested in these capabilities with a view to operations in Bangladesh-

Indian army has invested for its defence, not for attack.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

The entire BD population's support for it's own armed forces cannot be taken fior granted. Would Bangladeshi Hindus and Chakmas fight an Indian occupation?

They are under 10 percent of our population and a very few of them actually in our armed forces. Most of the civilian minority population are patriotic and will resist any foreign occupation. Al least they will not betray their country even if not fight actively. Do you have any evidence that suggest they will betray their country and collaborate with the hypothetical Indian occupation? If not, then don't throw wild guesstimate here and there.

 

[magra]

You are now becoming inconsistent.

You also claimed to exposed me one more time before , but the game isn't over yet. Be patient lad , read my message ( that you just quoted) I edited slightly . Go an check again .

You will get my full reply.

If it's not enough, stop whining.

@magra

Hmm.. for you the relations between India and BD are a game, and you are toying with them through your facebook post allegations. Your three BD friends who you claimed to be more knowledgeble and tagged ages ago havent yet appeared to support your claim.
Would you wait till your deathbed uncle?

 

[Homo Sapiens]

There are plenty of left wing Bangladeshi elements who have long sought a merger with India.

This is utterly false. Show me any evidence of any left wing party in Bangladesh or even any left wing intellectual ever advocated merging Bangladesh with India? In fact Bangladeshi left wing always raise voice against Indian domination and big brotherly attitude. They are at the forefront of the opposition of Indian coal fired power plant near Sunderban. During the Sheikh Mujib period, the main left wing political party in Bangladesh JSD was virulently Anti India and considered India to be an imperialist power. So, I urge you not to web fantasy here and deceive our unsuspecting guest.

 

[Iltutmish]

Do you have any evidence that suggest they will betray their country and collaborate with the hypothetical Indian occupation? If not, then don't through wild guesstimate here and there.

National security shouldn't be based on feel-good phrases

ThEy HaVe A bAnGlAdEsHi PaSsPoRt, So ThEy aRe ThE mOsT pAtRiOtIc CitIzEnS oF bAnGlAdEsH! hUmAns dOn'T fEeL a sEnSe Of cOMmUnItY wHeN sOmEoNe HaS tHe SaMe LaNgUaGe AnD ReLiGiOn!!!

 

[magra]

ThEy HaVe A bAnGlAdEsHi PaSsPoRt, So ThEy aRe ThE mOsT pAtRiOtIc CitIzEnS oF bAnGlAdEsH! hUmAns dOn'T fEeL a sEnSe Of cOMmUnItY wHeN sOmEoNe HaS tHe SaMe LaNgUaGe AnD ReLiGiOn!!!

Do you have a finger disorder? Why does it go to Caps when not needed?

 

[VikingRaider]

tagged ages ago havent yet appeared to support your claim.

Two came from three I had tagged.You aren't good reader, so missed them. Read the reply of @Bilal9 Bhai .

Find his other replies and also the reply of another one on your own . I can't spoon feed you.

@magra

 

[magra]

Check these out. These are "civil" logistics agreements but can and will be used for military logistics also.

I am pretty sure that civil logistics agreements cannot be used for military purposes. That would be a breach of agreement. A separate military agreement would be needed.

Two came from three I had tagged.You aren't good reader, so missed them. Read the reply of @Bilal9 Bhai .

Find his other replies and also the reply of another one on your own . I can't spoon feed you.

@magra

You call that a reply which proves your post? Go check that again and tell me.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Hindus are less than 10% of BD population. Also, are you saying BD Hindus are not BD patriots?
Similarly, do you think Indian muslims will support Pak army in case of an Indo-Pak conflict?

See my post above.

I thought you were trying to prove that Indian army is very professional and advanced compared to BD. Your above points are not helping in those.

I am no PR advocate for your army. The Indian army is more advanced as compared to Bangladesh. It is no longer as professional as it was in 1971.
See link. why. You have had disputes about your army chief going to court to dispute his date of birth and prove his seniority.

We will retake Pak Kashmir once Pak breaks down on its own or wilfully surrenders. We will have strategic patience till then. Why disturb an enemy when its going downhill.

When ? Next 73 years

I dont know if Bhutto's hanging by Zia and Zia's heli crash can be termed bloodless mutiny.

Don't know if the Sikh Regiment mutinies of Ganganagar Rajasthan, Ramgarh, Jharkhand 1984, classify as mutinies with Brig R.S. Puri killed.
Or the assassination of Indira Gandhi by her own security guards ? How about Rajeev Gandhi getting blown to smithereens with Z grade security compromised by Tamil sympathizers ? Or ex- COAS general A.S. Vaidya dinked while shopping ; wonder what his security was doing?

Indian army has invested for its defence, not for attack.

From whom? Bangladesh ?

 

[VikingRaider]

I am pretty sure that civil logistics agreements cannot be used for military purposes. That would be a breach of agreement. A separate military agreement would be needed.

You call that a reply which proves your post? Go check that again and tell me.

Proves are actually interesting ideas. Many things are selling in market as hot cakes can be asked for proofs.