After reading 21 pages i am stunned!! It looks like a absolutely BOGUS BS PROPAGANDA ARTICLE aimed to instigate hatred against India using peoples emotion. A poor unnecessary attempt. I see
@magra ,
@Baibars_1260 and
@MilSpec is keeping their head cool, arguing patiently with logic.
But seeing our few Bangladeshi members just dragging the thread to 21 pages without any solid evidence is disappointing and irritating. Instead you guys are bringing more BS allegations, diverting to different topics, throwing slightly racial remarks about Hindu-Atheist and ending up derailing the thread with rants and mud-slinging often.
No offence to you guys but after going through 21 pages, your actions and responses seemed totally STUPID and RIDICULOUS. Specially
@Atlas seems to have lost his mind completely, saying whatever coming in his mind. It seems like you took this article written by a random facebook user as the ultimate truth and just went with it. This is a serious allegations you are making in an international forum which is no different than accusing a country for genocide/ethnic cleansing/war crimes.
So when you say something like this, you have to bring solid evidence to make the allegation at least credible somehow. It looks like the original writer of this article didn't even bother do proper research and write the things properly. Few things in the article raises eyebrows and in short it basically saying only two things/points.
- Accusing Indian military for looting us within two and half months which is not proven yet. Not elaborating properly then moving to the second point below.
- Blaming India for harming/affecting our various sectors but not saying what WE did to prevent those and not saying that if we had any fault or not in damaging those sectors.
Both points seem ridiculous. This should not be even considered as an article. Just a mere small blog to achieve certain agenda. Looks like the Bangladeshi member who shared the article here just believed it because of the reference of a "freedom fighter" and didn't bother to verify it's authenticity. The other Bangladeshi members doesn't look prepared to respond here logically. Surprised that no one actually reported the thread as propaganda. Even the facebook group where this was posted, deleted the writing cause the link shared here doesn't work anymore.
My father also talked about this loot before but i haven't seen any single evidence to back the claim. And guess what? my father is a hardcore BNP supporter. Originated from a post in facebook group , the post uses only three books as references. It also says it used articles on liberation war from various websites but doesn't actually specify which page of those books and which articles from websites are being used as references.
One of the writer is a freedom fighter. In another PDF thread it looks like that this Joynal Abedin guy is controversial and he had connection with Pakistan. Question is did he actually saw any looting? If he did or even knew about anything then why didn't he do anything back then? Furthermore the article doesn't give any specific details about which area, mill/factories were looted.
More importantly why wasn't there a single complain/protest/photo/video/ news paper article in mainstream media if they stole those things? Did the entire Bangladeshi population suddenly became dumb and impotent just after independence? There were numerous patriot freedom fighters and foreign journalist present in BD that time, AP was even recording lots of clip. But they didn't hear or report anything about the alleged looting either.
It's true that India would benefit in long term by defeating and splitting Pakistan in half. Any person who has even simple knowledge in India-Pakistan's rivalry and history since British period can realize that. Even the article says it. Denying that and India's help in 1971 is utter stupidity.
India saw the chance to isolate and liberate East Pakistan from the West Pakistan and took. Anybody who wouldn't take the chance is a STUPID. If i have chance to regain the Seven Sisters and West Bengal or the Arakan to establish the Greater Bengal/Bangladesh i will do it. Missing that opportunity would be like USA not breaking Soviet Union when it had the chance.
But no need to think that it's solely India's fault that West Pakistan lost East Pakistan. West Pakistan has it's own part too in this matter. Yes, India is bad with us in some sectors but it also plays a part in bilateral business and regional connectivity.
And Pakistanis who are jumping out of joy, talking about this loot, two nation theory and Muslim Chummah feeling, you guys should be last people on earth to criticize Indians and troll Bangladeshis here. If you care so much about Indian military looting us after independence then you should start paying us the Tk18,000 crore you owe us.
The article also says that the money earned from East Pakistan's export used for the development of West Pakistan.
That's also called looting. If you agree that India looted us then technically you also agree that you looted us. Not only that, you were even looting right before leaving us at the end of liberation war.
So Pakistanis who are criticizing here kinda remind me of that Bengali proverb, "চোরের মার বড় গলা" (Rogues supplant justice)
Forty-four years have passed since Bangladesh became independent, but Pakistan has not yet paid Bangladesh its shares of money from different heads – donations and reserve, for example – which it should have paid right after the war
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Russia’s naval presence in the Bay of Bengal, which prevented a joint American-British strike on Indian cities, did not end after the 1971 war. Russian ships stayed on for two more years, clearing mines from the delta and recovering gold dumped in the sea by the Pakistanis.
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Extracts from "Raw and Bangladesh" written by Joynal Abedin -1 CHAPTER-14 MINERAL RESOURCES The vital role played by mineral resources of a country in its economic development needs no explanation. Experts believe that Bangladesh has been endowed with rich mineral resources. However...
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Extracts from "Raw and Bangladesh" written by Joynal Abedin -1 CHAPTER-14 MINERAL RESOURCES The vital role played by mineral resources of a country in its economic development needs no explanation. Experts believe that Bangladesh has been endowed with rich mineral resources. However...
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Good question. Mongla and CTG port was non-operational because of mines and ship-wrecks. So where did these 15 ships dock? Who saw those ships and why there isn't any photos of those ships? How did Indian move heavy machineries from mill, factories? They completed their withdrawal on March 12, 1972. So how did they managed to steal 1 billion dollar worth equipments/things including those machineries in such short amount of time?
Very similar post from a blog says that it's hard to find how much assets India looted from BD but then throws random figures. It also says that the loot happened because there was limited scope to import foreign products for India. Both point seem ridiculous.
Which one is it really? Is it 95-99% Or is it just 90%? Or is it 90-95%? Did we almost win the war or did we WIN it already? Make up your mind first. The Pakistan military didn't surrender to any single party until India officially joined the fight in December so how did you determine that you won the war? The first district which was liberated by the joint forces is Jessore. So what's the logic behind such claim?
He already said it at the beginning of the article but again asking why did India enter Bangladesh at 3rd December.
Must be smocking some good stuff.
I thought only local authority can issue curfew. How did Indian Military issue curfew?
The concert was organised by George Harrison and Ravi Shankar. The money raised and earned from the concert, album, film, DVD was administered and distributed by the UNICEF through George Harrison Fund.
$243,418.50 raised from two shows were given to UNICEF to administer on 12 August 1971. $2 million were sent via UNICEF to Bangladesh in 1972. Rest of the money was held in an Internal Revenue Service escrow account for more than ten years because Harrison's manager Allen Klein failed to register the event as a UNICEF benefit so it didn't tax-exempt status by the US govt.
So why is this RAM CHAGOL holding India accountable for this concert when it wasn't even involved?
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Oh yes!! Of course!! Everything is India's fault.
You are gonna do mismanagement, corruption, frequent power cut-off, lower import duty on Indian tea, not backing-up the industry, won't pay enough timely and treat your workers well but at the end of the day it's India's fault that your industries got ruined. The sugar must be India's next target as i see similar cases happening there too.
After nationalization in 1972, the Adamjee Jute Mill started suffering from problems like overstaffing, lack of work discipline, absenteeism and unionism. The new management failed to ensure product quality and the output of the mill could no more meet the specifications of overseas buyers. The situation gradually got worse and the mill started incurring losses, a trend which could never be reversed. Because of continuous losses incurred by the mill every year, the government closed it on 30 June 2002.
Tazrin Garment, Rana Plaza incidents, numerous protest for wages, payment before Eid must be orchestrated by RAW, right?
Vietnam must be getting huge support from India in RMG sector. Italian ফাষ্টফুড/পাসপুর্টধারী unskilled/illiterate KAMLAS going abroad illegally and acting like uncivilized ape inside Biman, Hajj camp and other places must be the conspiracy of India.
How about we look at ourselves in mirror and talk about our own loot in 50 years before pointing our fingers towards others?
Mismanagement and corruption have led once lucrative industry’s workers towards destitution.
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Anu Muhammad, Closure of Adamjee Jute Mills: Ominous Sign, Economic and Political Weekly, Vol. 37, No. 38 (Sep. 21-27, 2002), pp. 3895-3897
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Social Watch poverty eradication and gender justice
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A deplorable community in Bangladesh: tea garden workers - Author: Md. Saidur Rahaman, Syed Muhammod Ali Reza, Md. Mizanur Rahman, Md. Solaiman Chowdhury
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Academics and rights activists on Monday said that the state-owned jute and sugar industries faced losses and ruin as they fell in grip of plunderers...
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The liberalisation of sugar import has subjected the ailing state-owned sugar mills to an uneven competition, bringing them to the brink of collapse with the...
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Because it was Pakistan's internal problem till then and didn't affect India. The refugee crisis may have but it wasn't enough reason to attack Pakistan. Just like BD, Malaysia or any other countries won't attack Myanmar because of Rohingya and other ethnic cleansing. If India intervened militarily right after 26th March Pakistan sure would've blamed India for trying to annex East Pakistan.
Then the excuse of eradicating "Indian agents" would've worked and as most of the people inside and outside the country who were still unaware of what's happening, they would've supported Pakistan. India would've lost internal, international and UN support then. So India waited, showed world what's going on in East Pakistan and worked diplomatically to gain international support until Pakistan dragged them into the fight officially on 3rd December which left no obstacle for them to directly intervene.
So attacking with a military is not the only thing you can call help. India giving shelter, training and weapon, cross border artillery support, closing air space and putting naval blockade for Pakistani military, diplomatic effort are also part of 9 months help. Just like what US and EU did about Myanmar's oppression on minorities or Iran, Russia, N.Korea etc. You don't fight your enemies with muscle only but with your brain too.
When did Russia give us weapon?
Except the arms we got from Pakistan military all the weapons came from India. There was no Russian arm in our liberation war. There was Chinese variant of Russian SKS (Type 56) and Ak-47 (Chinese/Type 56 SMG).
"The Daily Star made a list of the weapons used by the freedom fighters: Smith & Wesson Model 10 Revolver, SKS Rifle or Chinese Rifle, Indian SLR Rifle, Sterling Sub-machinegun, Chinese Light Machinegun, AK-47 Rifle or 'Chinese SMG', Lee Enfield .303 Rifle, British Sten Gun, HE-36 Grenade, MG 42 Machinegun, 105mm Howitzer, Bren gun or British .303 Light Machinegun, Mortar, 120mm Heavy Mortar, ZB 53 Machinegun or 'Czechoslovakian Machinegun', G3 Rifle, Type 53 Machinegun, Chinese Rocket Launcher, M40 recoilless Rifle, ENERGA Anti-Tank Rifle Grenade, M18 Recoilless Rifle, Tula Tokarev 33 Pistol, Italian 9mm 3842 Beretta Model 38 (Sub Machinegun), SA 44 Rifle."
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It was truly a fight between David and Goliath in 1971. The Mukti Bahini fighters fought the war armed with a collection of old and worn out weapons against the mighty Pakistan army, supposedly one of the best armed forces of the time.
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A common dialogue used by BNP-Jamati supporters.
Made me angry when i was a teenager but now i see how these words play with our emotion.
Yep AP is a paid Indian/RAW agent who had lots of leisure time to create more than 35 footage.
Osmani's absence during the surrender is a popular tool for propaganda and conspiracy theory. None of them are proven. Not even Osmani blame India and he explained why he wasn't there. From several reports it looks like the main reason of Osmani's absence were:-
- Helicopter shot-down
- Protocol
- Osmani's stubbornness and unawareness of the surrender.
I gonna share those statements here. Most of it in Bengali. Sorry!! the reply alone is HUGE and i can't translate the whole thing word by word cause it's time consuming. Please kindly use google translation below of each Bengali writings if you want some sense of it.
- Why was the commander-in-chief of Bangladesh army, General MAG Osmani, absent at the ceremony?
Jacob: There is a lot of propaganda about it. The fact is, he was in Sylhet. He was in a helicopter that was shot at by the Pakistan army. I had ordered everyone on the Bangladesh side to stay in Kolkata. But he rode the chopper, got shot and couldn't attend the ceremony. It's not our fault. He should have been there. We wanted him there. Khandker (deputy commander-in-chief AK Khandker) attended in his absence.
এ প্রসঙ্গে মুক্তিবাহিনীর উপপ্রধান সেনাপতি এয়ার ভাইস মার্শাল (অব.) একে খন্দকারের বিবরণ:
‘‘ভারতীয় সামরিক বাহিনীর লিয়াজোঁ অফিসার কর্নেল পি এস দাস অস্থায়ী সরকারের প্রধানমন্ত্রীকে তাঁর ব্যক্তিগত সচিব ফারুক আজিজ খানের মাধ্যমে ১৬ ডিসেম্বর বিকেলে অনুষ্ঠেয় পাকিস্তানি বাহিনীর আত্মসমপর্ণের খবর জানান। প্রধানমন্ত্রী বাংলাদেশ বাহিনীর প্রধান সেনাপতি কর্নেল এম এ জি ওসমানীর খোঁজ করতে গিয়ে জানতে পারেন যে কর্নেল ওসমানী, ব্রিগেডিয়ার উজ্জ্বল গুপ্ত (ভারতীয় বাহিনী) এবং লেফট্যানেন্ট কর্নেল আব্দুর রব মুক্ত এলাকা পরিদর্শনে সিলেট গেছেন। কর্নেল ওসমানী ১৩ ডিসেম্বর সিলেটের মুক্তাঞ্চল পরিদর্শনের পরিকল্পনা করেন। যাত্রার আগে তাঁকে আমি বলেছিলাম, স্যার আপনার এখন কোথাও যাওয়া ঠিক হবে না। দ্রুতগতিতে যুদ্ধ চূড়ান্ত পরিণতির দিকে এগিয়ে যাচ্ছে। যেকোনো সময় যেকোনো পরিস্থিতির উদ্ভব হতে পারে।’ কর্নেল ওসমানী তার পরিকল্পনা পরিবর্তন না করে সিলেটের উদ্দেশ্যে রওনা হয়ে যান।’’
(Translation:- In this context, the Deputy Commander of the Liberation Army, Air Vice Marshal (Retd.) A.K Khandaker's description:
"The liaison officer of the Indian Army, Colonel PS Das, informed the caretaker Prime Minister through his personal secretary, Farooq Aziz Khan, about the surrender of the Pakistani forces on the afternoon of December 16. While searching for Col. M. A. G. Osmani, the Commander-in-Chief of the Bangladesh Army, the Prime Minister learned that Col.
Osmani, Brigadier Ujjwal Gupta (Indian Forces) and Lieutenant Colonel Abdur Rob had gone to Sylhet to inspect the open area. Colonel Osmani planned to visit the liberated areas of Sylhet on 13 December. Before the journey I told him, Sir, it would not be right for you to go anywhere now. Rapidly the war is moving towards the final outcome. Any situation could arise at any time. "Colonel Osmani left for Sylhet without changing his plan.")
আত্মসমর্পণ অনুষ্ঠানে মুক্তিবাহিনীর প্রধান জেনারেল এম এ জি ওসমানীর উপস্থিত না থাকা প্রসঙ্গে কে এম সফিউল্লাহ বলেন, জেনারেল ওসমানী তখন মৌলভীবাজারে ছিলেন। এ ছাড়া ভারতীয় সেনাবাহিনীর প্রধান স্যাম মানেকশ সেখানে ছিলেন না, ছিলেন তাঁর দ্বিতীয় ব্যক্তি জেনারেল জগজিৎ সিং অরোরা। তাই মুক্তিবাহিনীরও দ্বিতীয় ব্যক্তি এ কে খন্দকার আত্মসমর্পণের সময় উপস্থিত ছিলেন।
(Translation:- Regarding the absence of Mukti Bahini Chief General MAG Osmani at the surrender ceremony, KM Safiullah said that General Osmani was in Moulvibazar at that time. Besides, Indian Army Chief Sam Manekshaw was not there, his second man was General Jagjit Singh Aurora. So AK Khandaker, the second man of the freedom fighters was also present at the time of surrender.)
But the best statement/witness comes from Nozrul Islam's book "একাত্তরের রণাঙ্গন অকথিত কিছু কথা" :-
মুক্তিযুদ্ধকালীন বাংলাদেশ সরকারের অধীনে মুক্তিবাহিনীর সদরদফতরে তৎকালীন প্রতিরক্ষা মন্ত্রণালয়ের জনসংযোগ কর্মকর্তার দায়িত্বে ছিলেন নজরুল ইসলাম। মুক্তিযুদ্ধ নিয়ে পরবর্তীতে ‘একাত্তরের রণাঙ্গন অকথিত কিছু কথা’ নামে একটি বই লিখেছেন তিনি। অনুপম প্রকাশনী থেকে প্রকাশিত এই বইয়ে পাকিস্তানি বাহিনীর আত্মসমর্পণ অনুষ্ঠানে কেন এমএজি ওসমানী ছিলেন না, সে বিষয়ে বিস্তারিত তথ্য তুলে ধরা হয়েছে।
বইটির ২৪১ পৃষ্ঠায় নজরুল ইসলাম লিখেছেন, ‘পাকিস্তানি সেনাবাহিনীর আত্মসমর্পণ পর্ব শেষ হওয়ার দুদিন পর জেনারেল ওসমানী বিক্ষুব্ধ-উত্তপ্ত মুজিবনগর সরকারের সদর দফতরে ফিরে আসেন। ঢাকায় পাকিস্তানি সৈন্যদের আত্মসমর্পণ অনুষ্ঠানে তার অনুপস্থিতিকে কেন্দ্র করে এক অনাকাঙ্ক্ষিত ক্ষোভ ও বিভ্রান্তির সৃষ্টির হয়, যা মুজিবনগর সরকারের জন্য অস্বস্তির কারণ হয়ে উঠেছিল। পাকিস্তানি সেনাবাহিনীর আত্মসমর্পণের এই অতিগুরুত্বপূর্ণ সময়ে মুজিবনগরে জেনারেল ওসমানীর অনুপস্থিতিতে স্বাধীন বাংলা সরকারের নেতারাও তার ওপরে কিছুটা ক্ষুব্ধ হয়েছিলেন। স্বাধীন বাংলা সরকারের সদর দফতরে পা রেখে জেনারেল ওসমানী উত্তাপ কিছুটা টের পেয়েছিলেন।’
‘... জেনারেল ওসমানীর এডিসি সবিস্তারে জেনারেল সাহেবের অনুপস্থিতিতে তাকে ঘিরে কে কী মন্তব্য করেছেন, সব কথা তাকে রিপোর্ট করেন। পরিস্থিতি সম্পর্কে আরও অবহিত হওয়ার জন্য জেনারেল সাহেব আমাকে তার কক্ষে ডাকেন। খুব ধীরস্থির হয়ে বসে জেনারেল ওসমানীকে জানালাম, পাকিস্তান সেনাবাহিনীর আত্মসমর্পণ অনুষ্ঠানে আপনার অনুপস্থিতি নিয়ে এখানে রাজনৈতিক মহলে বিরূপ সমালোচনা হয়েছে।’
নজরুল ইসলাম আরও লিখেছেন, ‘জেনারেল ওসমানী কিছুটা কর্কশ কণ্ঠে বললেন, ‘দেখুন, আমরা স্বাধীনতা অর্জন করতে যাচ্ছি। কিন্তু দুঃখ হলো স্বাধীন জাতি হিসেবে আমাদের মধ্যে আত্মমর্যাদাবোধ সম্পর্কে কোনও চেতনা এখনও জন্ম হয়নি।আমাকে নিয়ে রিউমার ছড়ানোর সুযোগটা কোথায়? কোনও সুযোগ নেই। তার অনেক কারণ রয়েছে। নাম্বার ওয়ান- পাকিস্তানি সেনাবাহিনী কবে আত্মসমর্পণ করবে, আমি জানতাম না। আমি কলকাতা ছেড়ে চলে যাওয়ার পর তাদের আত্মসমর্পণের প্রস্তাব এসেছে।’
জেনারেল ওসমানী বলেন, ‘নাম্বার টু- ঢাকায় আত্মসমর্পণ অনুষ্ঠানে আমার যাওয়ার প্রশ্নই ওঠে না। কারণ, এই সশস্ত্র যুদ্ধ ভারত-বাংলাদেশের যৌথ কমান্ডের অধীনে হলেও যুদ্ধের অপারেটিং পার্টের পুরো কমান্ডে ছিলেন ভারতীয় সেনাপ্রধান লেফটেন্যান্ট জেনারেল শ্যাম মানেকশ। সত্যি কথা আমি আন্তর্জাতিকভাবে স্বীকৃত কোনও নিয়মিত সেনাবাহিনীর সেনাপ্রধানও নই। আন্তর্জাতিক রীতিনীতি অনুযায়ী পাকিস্তান সেনাবাহিনী আমার কাছে আত্মসমর্পণ করতে পারে না।
কারণ, বাংলাদেশ জেনেভা কনভেনশনে স্বাক্ষরকারী কোনও দেশ নয়। আত্মসমর্পণ অনুষ্ঠানে জেনারেল মানেকশকে রিপ্রেজেন্ট করেন লেফটেন্যান্ট জেনারেল অরোরা। জেনারেল মানেকশ গেলে তার সঙ্গে আমার যাওয়ার প্রশ্ন উঠতো। সার্বভৌম সমতার ভিত্তিতে আমার অবস্থান জেনারেল মানেকশের সমান। সেখানে জেনারেল মানেকশের অধীনস্থ আঞ্চলিক বাহিনীর প্রধান জেনারেল অরোরার সফরসঙ্গী আমি হতে পারি না। এটা দেমাগের কথা নয়, এটা প্রটোকলের ব্যাপার।
ওসমানী বলেন, ‘আমি দুঃখিত, আমাকে অবমূল্যায়ন করা হয়েছে। আমাদের মধ্যে আত্মমর্যাদাবোধের বড় অভাব। ঢাকায় ভারতীয় বাহিনী আমার কমান্ডে নয়। জেনারেল মানেকশের পক্ষে জেনারেল অরোরার কমান্ডের অধীনে ঢাকায় ভারতীয় সেনাবাহিনী। পাকিস্তানি সেনাবাহিনী আত্মসমর্পণ করবে যৌথ কমান্ডের অধীনে ভারতীয় বাহিনীর কাছে। আমি সেখানে (ঢাকায়) যাবো কি জেনারেল অরোরার পাশে দাঁড়িয়ে তামাশা দেখার জন্য? হাও ক্যান আই?’
বইয়ের বর্ণনা অনুযায়ী ওসমানী তখন নজরুল ইসলামকে বলেন, ‘আত্মসমর্পণের দলিলে স্বাক্ষর করবেন জেনারেল মানেকশের পক্ষে জেনারেল জগজিৎ সিং অরোরা আর পাকিস্তানী বাহিনীর পক্ষে জেনারেল নিয়াজী। সেখানে আমার ভূমিকা কী? খামোখা আমাকে নিয়ে টানা-হ্যাঁচড়া করা হচ্ছে।’
জেনারেল ওসমানী বলেন, ‘প্রটোকল সম্পর্কে আমাদের লোকদের কোনও ধারণা নেই, তাই এত ভুল বোঝাবুঝি সৃষ্টি। লোকজনকে বুঝিয়ে বলুন।’
একইসঙ্গে মুক্তিবাহিনীর পরিবর্তে কেন পাকিস্তানি সেনাবাহিনী মিত্রবাহিনীর কাছে আত্মসমর্পণ করেছে, সে বিষয়টিও উঠে এসেছে এই বইটিতে। বইয়ের ২৪৪ পৃষ্ঠায় লেখক নজরুল ইসলাম জানান, ‘জেনারেল ওসমানীকে জানিয়েছিলাম যে, পাকিস্তানি বাহিনী মুক্তিবাহিনীর পরিবর্তে ভারতীয় সেনাবাহিনীর কাছে কেন আত্মসমর্পণ করেছে, তা নিয়েও প্রশ্ন ও বিতর্ক সৃষ্টি হয়েছে।
এ সময় সিলেটের আওয়ামী লীগ নেতা দেওয়ান ফরিদ গাজী জেনারেল সাহেবের ঘরে গিয়ে ঢুকলেন। দেওয়ান গাজী আমার (নজরুল ইসলাম) কথা শুনতে পেয়ে বললেন, পিআরও (নজরুল ইসলাম) সাহেব ঠিকই কইছুন। মানুষ চায় পাকিস্তানি সৈন্যরা মুক্তিবাহিনীর কাছে আত্মসমর্পণ করুক।’
জেনারেল ওসমানী দেওয়ান গাজীর ওপর তির্যক দৃষ্টি নিক্ষেপ করে বলেন, ‘তোমরা লোকজনকে অন্ধকারে রেখেছো। দুনিয়ার রীতিনীতি সম্পর্কে মানুষকে কিছু জানতে দাও।’ ওসমানী বলেন, ‘যুদ্ধ-বিগ্রহ, জয়-পরাজয়, আত্মসমর্পণ সম্পর্কে জেনেভা কনভেনশনের আন্তর্জাতিক নীতিমালা আছে। জেনেভা কনভেনশনে স্বাক্ষরকারী দেশগুলো যুদ্ধ-বিগ্রহ, জয়-পরাজয়, আত্মসমর্পণ ইত্যাদির ব্যাপারে এ নীতিমালা মানতে বাধ্য। আমরা মানে বাংলাদেশ জেনেভা কনভেনশনে স্বাক্ষরকারী দেশ নই। এই কনভেনশনের স্বাক্ষরকারী দেশ হিসেবে পাকিস্তানি সেনাবাহিনী আমাদের কাছে আত্মসমর্পণ করতে রাজি হবে না।
কারণ, তাদের (পাক বাহিনী) ধারণা, আমাদের কাছে আত্মসমর্পণ করলে আমরা তাদের সঙ্গে জেনেভা কনভেনশনে বর্নিত নীতিমালা অনুযায়ী আচরণ করবো না। যেহেতু আমরা জেনেভা কনভেনশনের আওতায় পড়ি না, তাই জেনেভা কনভেনশনের নীতিমালা মানতে আমরা বাধ্যও নই। আমাদের মুক্তিযোদ্ধারা তাদের হত্যা করে ফেলবে। কিন্তু জেনেভা কনভেশন অনুযায়ী পরাজিত আত্মসমর্পণকারী সৈন্যদের হত্যা করা বা কোনও রূপ নির্যাতন করা যায় না।
তাদের নিরাপত্তায় আইনি প্রটেকশন দিতে হয়। সামরিক রীতিনীতি অনুযায়ী তাদের সঙ্গে আচরণ করতে হয়। উন্নত খাবার, নানান সুযোগ-সুবিধা দিতে হয়। বন্দিকালীন সময়ে নিরস্ত্র অবস্থায় এক্সারসাইজ, খেলাধুলা ইত্যাদির সুযোগ-সুবিধা দিতে হয়। কিন্তু আমরা তো এখনও ভারতের মাটিতেই রয়ে গেছি। বাংলাদেশই তো আমাদের নিয়ন্ত্রণে নেই। আমাদের সিভিল অ্যাডমিনিস্ট্রেশন প্রতিষ্ঠিত হয়নি। কোনও নিয়মিত সুশৃঙ্খল সেনাবাহিনী নেই। এমনকি পুলিশ বাহিনীও নেই। এ অবস্থায় ৯০ হাজার পাকিস্তানি সৈন্য আমাদের কাছে আত্মসমর্পণ করলে, আমরা তাদের রাখবো কোথায়? তাদের প্রটেকশন দেবো কিভাবে? ৯০ হাজার সৈন্যকে তিন বেলা উন্নত খাবার দেবো কোথা থেকে। দেশে গিয়ে তো আমরাই খাবার পাবো না।’
(Translation:- Nazrul Islam was the Public Relations Officer of the then Ministry of Defense at the headquarters of the Liberation Army under the Government of Bangladesh during the War of Liberation. He later wrote a book on the War of Liberation entitled 'The Battlefield of 1971'. The book, published by Anupam Prakashani, details why MAG Osmani was not present at the surrender ceremony of the Pakistani forces.
On page 241 of the book, Nazrul Islam writes, "Two days after the surrender of the Pakistani army, General Osmani returned to the headquarters of the agitated Mujibnagar government. His absence from the surrender ceremony of the Pakistani troops in Dhaka created an unexpected outrage and confusion, which caused uneasiness for the Mujibnagar government.
At this crucial time of the surrender of the Pakistani army, in the absence of General Osmani at Mujibnagar, the leaders of the independent Bengal government were also somewhat angry with him. General Osmani got a sense of warmth when he set foot in the headquarters of the independent Bengal government. '
‘... General Osmani’s ADC reported to him in detail who had commented on him in the absence of General Saheb. The General called me to his room to find out more about the situation. I sat down very quietly and informed General Osmani that your absence from the surrender ceremony of the Pakistan Army has been criticized in the political arena. '
Nazrul Islam further wrote, ‘General Osmani said in a somewhat hoarse voice,‘ Look, we are going to achieve independence. But sadly, as an independent nation, we have not yet developed a sense of self-worth. Where is the opportunity to spread rumors about me? There is no chance. There are many reasons for this. Number one - I did not know when the Pakistani army would surrender. After I left Kolkata, they offered to surrender. '
General Osmani said, "There is no question of me going to the surrender ceremony in Number Two Dhaka. Because, although this armed war was under the joint command of India and Bangladesh, the entire command of the operating part of the war was under the command of Indian Army Lieutenant General Shyam Manekshaw. Honestly, I am not the army chief of any internationally recognized regular army. According to international norms, the Pakistan army cannot surrender to me.
Because Bangladesh is not a signatory to the Geneva Conventions. Lieutenant General Aurora represented General Manekshaw at the surrender ceremony. When General Manekshaw went, the question of my going with him would arise. My position on the basis of sovereign equality is equal to that of General Manekshaw. I cannot accompany General Aurora, the head of the regional forces under General Manekshaw. It's not a matter of mind, it's a matter of protocol.
Osmani said, ‘I am sorry, I have been underestimated. We have a great lack of self-esteem. The Indian forces in Dhaka are not under my command. The Indian Army in Dhaka under the command of General Aurora on behalf of General Manekshaw. The Pakistani army will surrender to the Indian forces under the joint command. Will I go there (in Dhaka) to stand next to General Aurora and watch the joke? How can I? '
According to the book, Osmani then told Nazrul Islam, "General Jagjit Singh Aurora on behalf of General Manekshaw and General Niazi on behalf of the Pakistani forces will sign the surrender document." What is my role there? I am being dragged and dragged. '
General Osmani said, ‘Our people have no idea about the protocol, so there is so much misunderstanding. Explain to the people. '
At the same time, the book also explains why the Pakistani army surrendered to the Allies instead of the Liberation Army. On page 244 of the book, author Nazrul Islam said, "I told General Osmani that there was a question and debate as to why the Pakistani army had surrendered to the Indian army instead of the Mukti Bahini." At that time, Awami League leader of Sylhet Dewan Farid Gazi entered the house of General Saheb. Dewan Gazi heard me (Nazrul Islam) and said, Mr. PRO (Nazrul Islam) is right. People want Pakistani soldiers to surrender to the freedom fighters. '
General Osmani looked down on Dewan Ghazi and said, "You have kept the people in the dark. Let people know something about the customs of the world. 'Osmani said,' The Geneva Conventions have international principles on war, victory and defeat, surrender. The signatories to the Geneva Conventions are obliged to adhere to the principles of war, victory, defeat, surrender, and so on. We mean Bangladesh is not a signatory to the Geneva Conventions. The Pakistan Army will not agree to surrender to us as a signatory to this Convention.
Because, their (Pak army) idea, if they surrender to us, we will not treat them according to the principles stated in the Geneva Convention. Since we are not covered by the Geneva Conventions, we are not bound by the principles of the Geneva Conventions. Our freedom fighters will kill them. But according to the Geneva Convention, defeated surrendered soldiers cannot be killed or tortured in any form. They have to give legal protection for their safety.
They have to be treated according to military custom. Improved food, various facilities have to be given. Exercise, sports, etc. have to be provided while unarmed while in captivity. But we are still on Indian soil. Bangladesh is not under our control. Our civil administration has not been established. There is no regular disciplined army. Not even the police force. If 90,000 Pakistani soldiers surrender to us in this situation, where will we keep them? How to protect them? Where will I give 90,000 soldiers better food in three days? We will not get food in the country. ')
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১৬ ডিসেম্বর ১৯৭১, নয় মাস যুদ্ধের পর পাকিস্তানি সেনাবাহিনী আত্মসমর্পণ করে। সেদিন বিকাল ৪টা ৩১ মিনিটের দিকে ঢাকায় রমনা রেসকোর্স ময়দানে (সোহরাওয়ার্দী উদ্যান) আত্মসমর্পণের দলিলে সই করেন পাকিস্তানের পূর্বাঞ্চলীয় কমান্ডের অধিনায়ক লেফটেন্যান্ট জেনারেল আমির আবদুল্লাহ খান নিয়াজি। মিত্রবাহিনীর...
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Oh yes, no need to worry about 10 divisions of Bangladesh army. Genius!!
Where did you get that idea? How large are you talking about? It may be true for today's heavy modern tank but not for light tank. But
@Michael Corleone might even disagree with that. The PT-76, M24 Chaffee, T-55 and Sherman were lighter than 40 tons. Battle of Garibpur, Battle of Kushtia saw large scale tank battle. But the largest was in the Battle of Shiromoni which is taught in military defence colleges in 35 countries including the Deradun Army Academy of India and Britain’s Sandhurst Army Academy. Sorry couldn't find the PDF file on "Battle of Shiromoni" i actually wanted to share.
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Just as Lt. General Niazi was putting his signature on the document of surrender at the Race-course of Dhaka on December 16, the greatest tank battle of our Liberation War was going on at Shiromoni, Khulna. The flag of independent Bangla was fluttering above the Jessore Cantonment. Brigadier...
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On December 16, 1971, one of the fiercest battles of the Indo-Pak War in Bangladesh was being fought in the Khulna sector. Pak 9 Inf Div was pitted against 9 Inf Div of the Indian Army led by Maj Gen Dalbir Singh. The Pakistani Division carried out a tactical withdrawal from Jessore and fell back to
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https://roar.media/bangla/main/history/tank-battle-shiromoni (Bengali Version)
The brilliant Brigadier Muhammad Hayat, who was Pakistani Commander of 107 Infantry Brigade during the war, faded away and died largely unsung in 2008.
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From Pakistani perspective:-
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So how do you plan to destroy Pakistani military establishments and ships near the coastal areas on both Pakistan and deter Pakistani supply line and USN, RN fleet and carry out amphibious landing without IN, Soviet navy's support?
The Indo-Pakistani Naval warfare of 1971 were the series of aggressive naval battles fought by the Indian and Pakistani Navy during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971. These battles were an integral part of India-Pakistan War of 1971 and the Pakistan war in Bangladesh. The series of naval operations...
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Another BS!! So now we gotta take your words instead of the relatives of the deceased intellectuals who actually identified the peoples who took these intellectuals on 14 December? How many intellectuals did you identify as Indian stooge?
And that makes it believable? If being a freedom fighter makes people this much trust-worthy then i guess Zia, Mujib's murderers, Maya Chowdhury and other freedom fighters wouldn't have turned out to be bad. Should we take Sarmila Bose's book seriously then from now on if that's the case?
Why?! Why can't you answer/encounter his question? You are the one who opened this shitty thread!! Why didn't you research properly before making this allegation?! Why do you drag others in your own mess?! If they are more qualified than you then why did you keep talking and make more BS allegations?
Quite rich coming from the guy who wants to see the grave of democracy, military backed autocracy and shut people mouth brutally. The govt you want to be backed my military is also a Indian stooge so all of you anti-Indian statements are contradictory.
LOL!! How do you presume? What process has started? Momen kagu seems so happy about Modi's upcoming visit, didn't he say we have hubby-wife relation with India? Constant visit by Indian delegation, Sonadia deep-sea project, the recent vaccine diplomacy, transit do i need to go on? Keep dreaming about finishing Indian influence while me and you are ok with BAL ruling the country.
Another propaganda!! They edited AP's clip and just added a caption. Fake and original, none of them shows anything about the looting. Even the fake one provides link to original clip/footage.
How do you know most women dress like that? Any evidence/stat to support your claim? Looks like you are judging people based on their appearance. Kinda racist it seems.
You should listen your own advice. Why do you get upset if people treat you the same way you treat them? This usual trick of your doesn't work everywhere and makes it annoying and ridiculous.
All of it?!
And not a single evidence/witness/complaint? Don't know about Haque but how did Admajee start running so soon after the nationalization? Seems like a preposterous claim.
How are they BS govt? They were elected by the people back then. Mujib and BAL was the center for people's movement and fight back then.
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