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I'm talking about the whole N-LCA program not the solitary test N-LCA we have seen to date.

Me too, without getting a fully developed N-LCA, we won't be using them to the full extend on the SBTF. So they at least need to further develop it with a hook and possibly other changes, to test it there as we do it with the Migs today.
 
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This is clearly going to happen, doesn't really need to be said.

At least it should be according to the plans, the question is only when? The N-LCA MK1 is a tech demonstrator, mainly used to develop the design changes that would be required for a naval fighter. Developing and testing these doesn't mean that they have to use it from the SBTF, because it's about certifying the changes of the aircraft, not making it ready for carrier operations itself. The navy has already stated that they see the MK2 as the version they want, which makes it possible, that we see further changes only with the first batch of MK2 prototypes and that itself is a pretty long shot now.
 
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HAL gets a pat on the back

BANGALORE: Chief of air staff Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha, on Friday appreciated efforts of defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) in establishing the state-of-the-art Iron Bird facility at its Aircraft Research and Design Centre (ARDC).
"It is a unique facility and an asset to the LCA Tejas programme," HAL chairman R K Tyagi said, adding that Raha 'appreciated the joint team efforts of HAL and other agencies that has resulted in completion of more than 14,370 hours of rigorous software testing of the aircraft.
The facility allows for an integrity test for the flight control system for statically unstable aircraft such as LCA and very few countries in the world have access to such testing platform.
Iron Bird is the final platform where all the issues of LCA Tejas flight control systems are resolved to ensure safety of the flight.
 
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N-LCA...Mk2....

Can IAF get delivery of a single Mk1 ?
Also has there been any vs test of Tejas?

Can it hold its ground against the bis ?

The plane can fly and perform combat missions we all know now. But is it comparable to any aircraft in IAF fleet as of now?

it is better than all except Mig29 in some aspects and Su30MKI
 
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About to start a masquerade set of shots. With IAF aircraft flying in PAF colors and vice versa. While Ill be doing a dedicated thread for this. Thought I'd start off here with a nice derailing post :p:

Behold, the HAL Light Tactical Fighter the "Garjan".
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About to start a masquerade set of shots. With IAF aircraft flying in PAF colors and vice versa. While Ill be doing a dedicated thread for this. Thought I'd start off here with a nice derailing post :p:

Behold, the HAL Light Tactical Fighter the "Garjan".
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Just because an airforce accepted a fighter , doest mean that every airforce will accept that.

Each airforce has a different need.

Front line fighter of one airfoce is a practice drone for another.... (search QF16)

You do realize that the F-16 is also the front line fighter for other airforces. When trying to take a cheap shot, at least be knowledgeable enough to take it. Banned from thread.
 
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Aeronaut (aka @Horus) is the only "thing" which comes to my mind when somebody mentions Aeronautics. :P

Btw what is it about aeronautics that you wanna know?

I just wanted to know your technical opinion about the Tejas ! :unsure:
 
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I just wanted to know your technical opinion about the Tejas ! :unsure:
You had to do this to me??8-)
You had to ask me what I know about that cute lil thing with delta wings when you know this thread is frequently visited by some stalwarts.???
I am very dilattante on this subject and I know by the end of this post most prolly you'll be sniggering at me.
Nevah mind!

Frankly tejas reminds me of a headline that I read long back "I will not let my boys fly this-PV naik".
PV naik was our IAF chief then but he still welcomed Tejas grudgingly into IAF after he was pressed by the politicians.
But now I hear that HAL and ADA guys have worked harder on it,increased its angle of attack and
verified the robustness of its Air Data System etc. And heard it can carry a plethora of weapons. So I guess now nobody's complaining
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(Oh pls..oh pls gaawd I hope nobody reads it except that cartoon who tagged me here:sick:)
 
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Clearly one thing I want to mention here is that, no one here, knows what's really happening inside the ADA, HAL and IAF combo..
they've crossed the stages of whatever you boys discuss here..IOC/FOC parameters have already been achieved almost upto the level of satisfaction..whatever is going on right now, is the final set of equipments to be Incorporated for the first MK1 sqn and the incorporations and assembly lines required..The official declaration of FOC could very well be in the initial months of next year..But then By the time, it would have been already in the production lines of HAL facilities..
The reason why so many new talks about MK2, Stealth version etc is that, the works are simultaneously progressing for each of them..HAL came out of the old decision making methods and they are very much eager to see this done..
The delusions and forecastings about MK2 coming after 2022 or something like that is absolutely bullshit hence, out of 1400 parameters to be checked and tested in MK2, more than 1200 have been concluded in MK1 prototypes itself..that is why it is taking much time..
One more reason for delay is also due to the IAF not yet finalising the final set of equipments and electronics on board MK1..
it is expected anytime from them officially..

Guys think of a very complicated new system you want to acquire and phase out an old system which primarily dictated your whole war philosophy. The LCA Mk 1 is like that to the Mig 21's.
Not just the war planes but pilots, ground crew and engineers will need to be trained and made ready. TETRA's will be set up and with the LCA MK I, IAF will settle in for the long haul. Here the OEM will be next door. Expect a lot of feedback, alterations, complaints, heart burns initially. We may not like it but any new system will see this kind of feedback.
The IAF is prudent in not placing too many orders before line pilots fly the machine. Please understand, Test Pilots are like those 'technologists' who will play with a new system but line pilots will mostly be like the 'late majority'. Of course, this will be a slightly more experimental 'late majority'.
There is no point pushing in a system in large numbers since we have an 'at home' build capability. The changes will come thick 'n fast once the line sqns begin their work. A significant part of the feedback will be from the maintenance crew, the people who will have to get the bird ready quickly. I say there is a need to focus on making the LCA succeed and it may not necessarily lie in the large initial order. Let us prepare for this deluge of feedback and be ready with a mechanism to handle it.""--These where not my words but that of someone trustworthy..

Also I've came across a question, which could be a very nice debate point here for all those who think HAL is nut job..
"IAF has to explain why Mig21s etc needed to be replaced with 30 Bil $ 126 Rafales, AC against ****'s and from where it expects the nation to fund all its "requirements". Perhaps IAF needed to be told that they need to make their demands based among others on the resultant cost to the nation. A reasonable size of the order unlike the 20plus 20 AC order as of now will make building of capabilities and a rewarding enterprise for Private Sector.
Finding a Tejas Limited with all the tech, men and facilities transferred to it will be a very good idea..
 
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