Growing Lashkar e Jhangvi (LJ) influence in Pakistan

[Musafir117]

A bit off-topic, just wondering at your signature:

"When I looked up "Ninjas" in Thesaurus.com, it said "Ninja's can't be found" Well played Ninjas, well played.",

Just a coincidence or you are refering to Na-Malum Afraad?


j/k

Off topic:reported: j/k oh yeah that's why Japanese councilor visited Nine Zero last week well, joke aside you guys laugh or cry MQM going no where till peoples stop vote them and if over than 75/% karachiets voting them than you labeling all of them terrorists Chanda khor etc and that insult goes to karachiets not only MQM. Shall we go back on topic otherwise OP report both of us:wink:

 

[Shamain]

75pc karachi!!! Maybe in that karachi which is situated on 'koh e kaaf'

 

[Jaanbaz]

MQM workers are also under investigation for that. A nexus between LeJ and MQM can not be ruled out.

Most probably this terrorist strike was done with the help of RAW, whom Altaf Hussain begged for help, to release some pressure on MQM.

There is no hope for retards like you.

 

[MilSpec]

of course and this is called the fog of war if you will
internal and external enemies will take advantage
those of you who are old enough like me might recall back in the days there was a copy cat massacre of a family in Hawaliay I am talking early 80s, it was attributed to hammer group ( Afghan/KGB terror outfit) but it turned out to be done by some members of the family.
likewise personal enmity , political rivalries and business disputes cloaked under sectarian attacks to and it appears that the sectarian/ religious terrorists dont really mind. I recall one interview of Hamid Gul where he mentioned a terror attack long time ago where there was no apparent sectarian, ethnic or political reason and that suggested a foreign hand just to cause a snowball effect in Karachi chaos.

some intellectuals say hey dont blame India because the terrorists are locals and known and they post confessional videos and make calls to our news channels (YES true) but RAW or any other hostile foreign entity wont send its own nationals and instead employ locals through indirect channels and middlemen.

by the way here is a prediction of next Indo-Pak stand off (forgive me Indians). Indians will mobilise their forces, start shooting at rangers and our military and villiagers and start shelling and some agressing combat patrols through a very convincing false flag?

how? employ few dimwits from Pakistan posing as kashmiri militants, train them etc and ease them into India via LoC or international border (while BSF is continently looking away). lead them to a metropolis and then either let them kill some insignificant innocent Indians before finishing them off through a "brave operation" or lead them to a historical monument and let them damage it superciliously and then kill them off bar one or two and then help the Indian web-force, social media, channels and anchors do the rest.

I mean if TTP and LeJ can convince our youth to come and massacre shias on the road sides or their places of worship or children at school in the name of Islam then why not again someone as ISIS or AL Qaeda convince the same youth to cross the border and do the same to Indians? the mindset of the "doe'r" doesnt care about the theatre, what he or she is interested is in the act...... the bloodier the better the virgin count in afterlifre

@Horus @MastanKhan @Hyperion @Secur @Abu Zolfiqar I know I am crazy but world is crazier.

A naive question... what will India gain in engaging in a military conflict with Pakistan?

 

[Musafir117]

75pc karachi!!! Maybe on that karachi which situated on 'koh e kaaf'

ha. ha. ha very funny out of twenty one seats 19 belong to MQM now you could see Koh e kaaf as usual off topic and trolling

 

[Shamain]

Oh yeahyeahyeahyeah rigging zindabaad !!

There is no hope for retards like you.

Hey this is such absurd attack. Just dont!

 

[jaatram]

A naive question... what will India gain in engaging in a military conflict with Pakistan?

economic set back.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

A naive question... what will India gain in engaging in a military conflict with Pakistan?

yea it always baffles me why India has all its armoured divisions, mechanised visions 31 out of 33 infantry divisions deployed along Pakistani border, justifies using terrorism to teach Pakistan a lesson, has all its airbases near Pakistan, has military exercises designed to break Pakistan. what will it gain? your guess is good as mine whatever KSA has gained by bombing the crap out of Yemen or whatever USA has gained by invading Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Kao Boy]

Al Qaeda has already sided from IS stating they have too extremist ideology but if TTP swear allegiance with IS then it will be IS operating within Pakistan. Isn't it..

 

[SQ8]

IS will come to Pakistan and there is a mass of recruits waiting to join up from all classes of life. Including idiots who make their Graduate and PHds seem like pieces of paper when it comes to their intelligence.

A naive question... what will India gain in engaging in a military conflict with Pakistan?

See saw of prestige at home vs economic setbacks. But they may game it out that in the long run a completely toothless Pakistan might be worth that setback. However, that gamut only works if there were no nukes or rather the guarantee that timidity and self preservation will win out in Pakistani leadership.
That is calculable by how prosperous Pakistan gets, i.e. how much does Pakistan and its leadership/deep state have to lose. The more Pakistan has to lose, the better technically it gets for India(and the opposite holds true as well).

 

[rockstar08]

When you are done with typical MQM mentality (ie. always play the victim card), we are ready to debate. Anybody living in Karachi knows who they have to pay Bhatta. Now don't come up with some made up shyt. The Bhatta khori of PPP, JI or ANP is relatively knew, but the "Chanda Purchis" of MQM are there like for decades.

And F* LeJ and their supporters too. I don't give a flying $%&§ about them.

I say start cleaning the mess from the top, Zardari, Nawaz, Altaf, and all other goons...anyone who has done any harm to Pak should be sent to where they belong... life sentence in Jail (at the very least).

People like you are lost cause , try not to quote me if you have nothing but crying like a bi*ch ...

 

[MastanKhan]

of course and this is called the fog of war if you will
internal and external enemies will take advantage
those of you who are old enough like me might recall back in the days there was a copy cat massacre of a family in Hawaliay I am talking early 80s, it was attributed to hammer group ( Afghan/KGB terror outfit) but it turned out to be done by some members of the family.
likewise personal enmity , political rivalries and business disputes cloaked under sectarian attacks to and it appears that the sectarian/ religious terrorists dont really mind. I recall one interview of Hamid Gul where he mentioned a terror attack long time ago where there was no apparent sectarian, ethnic or political reason and that suggested a foreign hand just to cause a snowball effect in Karachi chaos.

some intellectuals say hey dont blame India because the terrorists are locals and known and they post confessional videos and make calls to our news channels (YES true) but RAW or any other hostile foreign entity wont send its own nationals and instead employ locals through indirect channels and middlemen.

by the way here is a prediction of next Indo-Pak stand off (forgive me Indians). Indians will mobilise their forces, start shooting at rangers and our military and villiagers and start shelling and some agressing combat patrols through a very convincing false flag?

how? employ few dimwits from Pakistan posing as kashmiri militants, train them etc and ease them into India via LoC or international border (while BSF is continently looking away). lead them to a metropolis and then either let them kill some insignificant innocent Indians before finishing them off through a "brave operation" or lead them to a historical monument and let them damage it superciliously and then kill them off bar one or two and then help the Indian web-force, social media, channels and anchors do the rest.

I mean if TTP and LeJ can convince our youth to come and massacre shias on the road sides or their places of worship or children at school in the name of Islam then why not again someone as ISIS or AL Qaeda convince the same youth to cross the border and do the same to Indians? the mindset of the "doe'r" doesnt care about the theatre, what he or she is interested is in the act...... the bloodier the better the virgin count in afterlifre

@Horus @MastanKhan @Hyperion @Secur @Abu Zolfiqar I know I am crazy but world is crazier.

Hi,

You know---the first couple of kills are for ideological reasons---then after that---it is for pleasure and thrill.

Did you ever live in sukkur.

 

[Psychic]

@Secur @Irfan Baloch
About PPP leadership having links with LEJ, there is no doubt despite the fact that many among PPP leadership are Shias.
Below is a picture of Ahmad Ludhyanvi( Head of ASWJ, which is political wing of banned Sipah e Sahaba and according to many, is Sipah e Sahaba with a different name) with Imtiaz Khokhar aka Taji Khokhar a known PPP supporter and notorius badmash and landgrabber of Rawalpindi. The relatives of Taji Khokhar contest for elections on PPP tickets in NA-52 and PP-6.

Taji Khokhar is a personal friend of Zardari, who is a Shia. He is also famous for a golden AK-47 which was gifted to him by no one other than Zardari himself.
SSP and LEJ also provide their operatives to Taji for murders, land grabbings and in return, they get money.

That is just one case of PPP having links with sectarian outfits. I am sure that Faisal Abidi is right and there are many other cases like that as well.

 

[MilSpec]

See saw of prestige at home vs economic setbacks. But they may game it out that in the long run a completely toothless Pakistan might be worth that setback. However, that gamut only works if there were no nukes or rather the guarantee that timidity and self preservation will win out in Pakistani leadership.
That is calculable by how prosperous Pakistan gets, i.e. how much does Pakistan and its leadership/deep state have to lose. The more Pakistan has to lose, the better technically it gets for India(and the opposite holds true as well).

On the simple C/E matrix... is there any quantifiable advantage for India militarily engaging Pakistan.... ? It is zilch, absolutely Zero.....Everytime India engaged pakistan there was a quantifiable gain in question....Here I see none...

The super evil government in power in India as claimed by most pakistani members here.... all they are rated on in India is on their economic report card, control on inflation, FDI, economic reforms....

Militarily engaging pakistan in conventional scenario doesn't make any sense to me to say at the least....

yea it always baffles me why India has all its armoured divisions, mechanised visions 31 out of 33 infantry divisions deployed along Pakistani border, justifies using terrorism to teach Pakistan a lesson, has all its airbases near Pakistan, has military exercises designed to break Pakistan. what will it gain? your guess is good as mine whatever KSA has gained by bombing the crap out of Yemen or whatever USA has gained by invading Iraq and Afghanistan.

Yes.... because the maximum threat comes from Pakistan.... not from Chinese theater.... China has deliberately propped up Pakistan as a threat for India on the other side to keep India indirectly engaged and this strategy has worked wonderfully for China....

As for as Infantry divisions and where they are deployed, I don't expect such naivety from you.... Please look up where the 5 Commands of India are located I can assure you 3 out of 5 are aimed towards Western theater... that is amount of threat you guys pack for India in the historical sense... You have deployed larger forces against India in three wars than the one faced by India on the eastern border....

As far as what gains were obtained in other conflict depends on a threat matrix and certain red lines that are crossed.... US wars are known to you and me are more about sustained effect of achieving certain goals, which are loosely defined to achieve multiple internal and external geo-political and economic interests, their outcomes and defination of winnning do not fit in the conventional historical definition of WW1 and WWII surrenders as seen since Korea. For KSA, it's mostly panic mode for royal family to avoid "arab spring roll"...

For India it is about safeguarding it's national interests, the only way India will engage Pakistan military is known to you very well.... Unilateral military aggression is not a trait for Indians... and wont be in our lifetimes...

economic set back.

Helllllllo.... nailed it.

 

[airmarshal]

Give us a break from your conspiracy theories. Secular and religious extremists don't work together. Classical Muslim trait of late to shift blame all over instead of taking responsibilities of their own faults and shortcomings.

On topic: Aren't the strongholds and first tier leadership of LJ known widely? Why then is the state and seventh largest army in the world afraid to tackle the menace in the urban/sub-urban areas and merely fighting the symptom in tribal areas? Terrorism can't ever be completely eliminated if we fail to keep the radicalization and extremism in check. This LJ and assorted sectarian groups are highly supportive of ISIS and call Baghdadi as their Caliph and mass murderers as Mujahideen-e-Islam, about time an operation is initialized against these SOB's.

Part of the reason for this is that all these sectarian time bombs also need a political will diffuse them. Just like secular terrorism, religious terrorism cant be diffused without politicians taking the lead. Military has its role, but not without political cover.

LeJ is in alliance with PMLN in South Punjab. Just like a highly trained militant wing is patronized by MQM. So unless this political patronage is not eliminated and political will is not found to fight terror, this menace will grow, not die.

You are welcome to blame military for this too!