GREECE occupied 16 Turkish Islands

[Mr.Department]

To speak the truth Turkey is provocative, the so called "incident" is patrolling on greek islands and islets, which as we saw before belong legally to Greece with international treaties.
Agathonisi for example or Esek, as you call it has greek citizens on it for many decades, much longer before Turkey "discovers" its turkishness.
Its alternative name Gaidaro is mentioned in the 1932 attached protocol of the italian turkish agreement as belonging in the italian side and not the turkish and we all know that Greece later under the Paris peace treaty of 1947 succeeded Italy in all of the latter's rights.
I don't get how the "fascist beggars" for the greeks is compatible with your previous friendly posts.

Not offence against you and other realist peaceful people.
I saw the Byzantine flag " On Golden Ground Black Golden Double Head Eagle" and symbols of Golden Dawn Party on a picture on the islands with soldiers ( maybe new founded paramilitary, they were comparable old people) together with politicians.

You know most of them travel to Turkey for treatment and commerce, cause main land is so far away;
or not ?

 

[NickGr]

Not offence against you and other realist peaceful people.
I saw the Byzantine flag " On Golden Ground Black Golden Double Head Eagle" and symbols of Golden Dawn Party on a picture on the islands with soldiers ( maybe new founded paramilitary, they were comparable old people) together with politicians.

You know most of them travel to Turkey for treatment and commerce, cause main land is so far away;
or not ?

Golden Dawn is indeed an ultra nationalist party, which is in my opinion a creation of the huge economic recession in which Greece is for the last 8 years, Golden Dawn wasn't known 9 years before and its vote was about 0.3%, they clearly jumped out of nowhere.
And of course the main political parties, SYRIZA, New Democracy, etc have them isolated(even now they are in the parliament and have a percentage of 7%, their leader was even jailed being accused of having created a paramilitary terrorist organisation after some incidents, one of which was a murder of a greek singer by a member of that party. The double edged eagle isn't only a former byzantine flag, its also the greek church's flag being used many years now, nothing new
On the contrary the turkish ultra nationalist party, the MHP and its "grey wolves" are in the government and are those who try to push Erdogan to be more provocative on Greece(to be honest there are even some kemalists who push him about the so called 18 islands "dispute"), they even supported the Erdogan campaign for its yes pyrrhic victory.
The greek islands are connected by sea to the greek mainland, ships go to these islands often, as well as helicopters in case of serious medical incidents. Of course greek people on these islands may also travel to Turkish coastal cities, it's globalization.
But i don't get it, that means what?

 

[Mr.Department]

Golden Dawn is indeed an ultra nationalist party, which is in my opinion a creation of the huge economic recession in which Greece is for the last 8 years, Golden Dawn wasn't known 9 years before and its vote was about 0.3%, they clearly jumped out of nowhere.
And of course the main political parties, SYRIZA, New Democracy, etc have them isolated(even now they are in the parliament and have a percentage of 7%, their leader was even jailed being accused of having created a paramilitary terrorist organisation after some incidents, one of which was a murder of a greek singer by a member of that party. The double edged eagle isn't only a former byzantine flag, its also the greek church's flag being used many years now, nothing new
On the contrary the turkish ultra nationalist party, the MHP and its "grey wolves" are in the government and are those who try to push Erdogan to be more provocative on Greece(to be honest there are even some kemalists who push him about the so called 18 islands "dispute"), they even supported the Erdogan campaign for its yes pyrrhic victory.
The greek islands are connected by sea to the greek mainland, ships go to these islands often, as well as helicopters in case of serious medical incidents. Of course greek people on these islands may also travel to Turkish coastal cities, it's globalization.
But i don't get it, that means what?

It is easier for Greeks to travel to Turkish mainland. They come often for treatment and shopping. We call it the 12 Islands. But there is no way back. I believe that Greece agrees to 6 miles zone and solves the dispute on some little islands we could have perfect relations. Look there is a island Gökceada there live today 300 Greek, most left their main village during 1974 Cyprus intervention. I was there and talked with the major, he said that it is Greek persons village and registered on their name in the officiall register. It is protected by Jandarma and some Greeks came back in the last years and claimed the houses of their relatives with succes.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Occupied and armed islands by Greece, which recently has sent 4000 more soldiers onto Southern puppet Cyprus.

Meanwhile, the AKP and Erdoğan defend an arab country Qatar against other arab countries.

https://twitter.com/x/status/879785513577742337

 

[Oublious]

Occupied and armed islands by Greece, which recently has sent 4000 more soldiers onto Southern puppet Cyprus.

Meanwhile, the AKP and Erdoğan defend an arab country Qatar against other arab countries.

https://twitter.com/x/status/879785513577742337

what a stupid post, wtf do you now about base ther? how many soldiers do we have ther? do we need extra soldiers?

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Greeks take over some more land addition to occupied islands, thanks to the ''agreement'' Erdoğan wants to sign.

On the left is current map, on the right is after the ''agreement'' Erdoğan wants to sign.

https://twitter.com/x/status/880125413321846785

 

[UkroTurk]

Hot news. Greek coast guard 16 times fired Turkish ship. Greeks claimed to violente greek coast and ordered ship to be arrested .

 

[-SINAN-]

Hot news. Greek coast guard 16 times fired Turkish ship. Greeks claimed to violente greek coast and ordered ship to be arrested .

Yunanistan'ın Rodos Adası'na 3 mil mesafedeki uluslararası sularda,
http://www.milliyet.com.tr/turk-bayrakli-gemiye-yunan-sahil-gundem-2478564/

3 miles happens to be Greek Territorial waters

In reaction to this legitimate position of Greece, the Turkish National Assembly issued a resolution on 8 June 1995 granting the Turkish government full and perpetual competence to declare war (casus belli) (authorizing it to use military means against Greece), should Greece decide to extend its territorial waters over 6 nautical miles.
http://www.mfa.gr/en/issues-of-gree...nt-documents/territorial-sea-casus-belli.html

We recognize their territorial waters as 6 miles...so, Greece has right to inspect a ship which is in their territorial waters.

Seems like this incident happened within the international laws. (if 3 miles claim is right)

 

[Dai Toruko]

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Turkey has rejected any attempt to expand from 6 miles to 12 miles in Agean sea, and declared 6 miles sovereignty in 1964 as a response to Greece that declared 6 miles sovereignty.

Therefore, The ship was in international waters, intentionally targeted and hit by over 20 bullets, in other words violation of int. laws and act of war.

However... In a sytematical agression of Greece in co-operation with the AKP and Erdoğan, the next but big step has been taken now after the occupation and arming the Turks islands. With this step Turkey has almost no rights in Agean sea, which means no ship or flight takes place without a Greek approval. For example, 88% of Foregin trade of Turkey takes place in seas, and 65% of Turkish sea trade takes place in Agean sea.

Given the shia block in southern land border into middle east and africa, current Cyprus talks and now Agean sea, Turkey has been officially encircled, also considering the Greek stance in Agean sea, Cyprus and Fetö cases and silence of the AKP and Erdoğan against the Greek aggression; Apparently Greeks have something big against Erdoğan to keep him silent even against occupation of Turkey.

 

[UkroTurk]

3 miles happens to be Greek Territorial waters

IGreece decide to extend its territorial waters over 6 nautical
We recognize their territorial waters as 6 miles...so, Greece has right to inspect a ship which is in their territorial waters.

Seems like this incident happened within the international laws. (if 3 miles claim is rıght

I can't understand that today Turkish goverment how many miles recognizes greek territorial water?
If 3 miles claim was right this issue should be dealed within internal laws not within international ? i am not right?
And where was the ship? Within 3 miles or 6 miles?

 

[-SINAN-]

I can't understand that today Turkish goverment how many miles recognizes greek territorial water?
If 3 miles claim was right this issue should be dealed within internal laws not within international ? i am not right?
And where was the ship? Within 3 miles or 6 miles?

Bro, if the ship was within the Greek territorial waters (6 miles) they have authority to search the vessel for contraband.


SUBSECTION B. RULES APPLICABLE TO
MERCHANT SHIPS AND GOVERNMENT SHIPS
OPERATED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES

Article27

Criminal jurisdiction on board a foreign ship

1. The criminal jurisdiction of the coastal State should not be exercised on board a foreign ship passing through the territorial sea to arrest any person or to conduct any investigation in connection with any crime committed on board the ship during its passage, save only in the following cases:

(a) if the consequences of the crime extend to the coastal State;

(b) if the crime is of a kind to disturb the peace of the country or the good order of the territorial sea;

(c) if the assistance of the local authorities has been requested by the master of the ship or by a diplomatic agent or consular officer of the flag State; or

(d) if such measures are necessary for the suppression of illicit traffic in narcotic drugs or psychotropic substances.

http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part2.htm

Greek Coast Guard's statement.

The Greek Coast Guard confirmed the incident with the Turkish-flagged cargo ship M/V ACT earlier on Monday. In a statement issued later afternoon, the Greek coast Guard said:

Midday Monday, the port authorities of Rhodes received an anonymous telephone complaint that the Turkish-flagged vessel named “ACT” sailing in the region east of the island of Rhodes, was transporting drug.

The Port Authority was immediately mobilized, a Coast Guard vessel spotted the Turkish-flagged vessel “ACT” in the sea area 3.5 nautical miles North-West of Rhodes, within the Greek territorial waters.

The coast guard crew asked the captain of the cargo ship to sail to the bay of Triandas, Rhodes, in order to carry out a check.

The captain of ACT did not obey the command and the sound signals of the Coast Guard crew. Warning shots were fired, however, the Turkish vessel again did not stop its course. On the contrary, ACT continued its voyage into Turkish territorial waters, while the Greek Coast Guard boat stopped at border line.

At the same time, the relevant Turkish authorities were informed about the issue.

http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2017/07/03/greek-coast-guard-confirms-shots-turkish-cargo-ship/

Statement from MFA;

“İskenderun Limanı’ndan İzmit Limanı’na hareket halindeki Türk bayraklı M/V ACT adlı kuru yük gemisine Rodos Adası açıklarında seyir halindeyken Yunan Sahil Güvenlik botu tarafından ateş açıldığı öğrenilmiştir. İki Türk limanı arasında yük taşıyan ticari ve dolayısıyla silahsız bir gemiye hangi sebeple olursa olsun ateş açılmasının hiçbir şekilde izahı yoktur. Tek tesellimiz hadisede can kaybı veya yaralanma meydana gelmemiş olmasıdır” denildi.

Açıklamada, “Bu menfur olayda Yunan makamlarının en temel hak olan insan yaşamını hiçe sayan ölçüsüz hareketini kuvvetle kınıyor ve benzeri bir olayın bir daha tekrarlanmaması beklentimizi uluslararası kamuoyuyla paylaşmayı gerekli buluyoruz” ifadeleri kullanıldı.

Since MFA didn't mentioned "international waters" we can very well assume, the ship was within the territorial waters of Greece.

 

[[TR]AHMET]

Fool Greece again used by Germany against Turkey for German interests, Greek government has no power no vision, they do just what Lenders want. But of course they deserve a lesson by our forces so that not dare again to atack our ships.

if greece keeping to make bad policies they will be used by everybodies and getting more weaker. very bad condition for them.

 

[Saithan]

I don't get your statement, what the F..... does the germans have to do with the incident ?

 

[[TR]AHMET]

I don't get your statement, what the F..... does the germans have to do with the incident ?

i think you dont follow foreign news, greeks getting hostile against Turkey without any reason novadays, as we know Greece has good relationship with Germany so that take some borrow money. Germany allways humilate and give orders to Greek government, they says you have to buy my weapon you have to do this this etc.

so what Germany want Greeks doing, is it logical get hostile against Turkey while they have economic crisis? it is of course not their own policy it is directed by someone.