Blue Homeland (Mavi Vatan)

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Yeah,I see your "arguements"...going back 100 years ago and boasting about the glorious past.

The truth is that while you're still waiting for Kizelelma,TFX and F-16s...we have already received 9 Rafale F3R and 4 F-16Vs and getting more by the end of the year.

That's the truth. If you think you currently have the upper hand in the air,you're mistaken.

9 Rafales can not change anything in a war
Turkiye can hit 9 Rafales even in Jet Hangars at Tanagra Air Base
thanks to Turkish missiles BORA , TAYFUN , ATMACA , SOM

and Turkiye has 192 S400 Air Defense Missiles including 380km 40N6E and 250 km 48N6E3 missile with speed of mach 5.9 to turn Rafale into crap of metal

also SIPER Air Defense System enter service ... no need even Fighter Jets to block Rafales
S400 and SIPER will be enough to block Rafales


and so funny .. 4 F-16V can not change anything in a war

Turkiye has 192 F-16s with network centric warfare capability to detect F-16V from 350 km away

thanks to 4 Boeing E-7T AEWC ( $1,5 billion )
thanks to CCIP modernization for $3,9 billion
( link16 data link , 120km AIM-120C7 networked air to air missile )


AESA Radar is nothing to do with dog fight

and in BVR combat Turkiye has 192 F-16s with network centric warfare capability , while Greece has only 4 F-16V and 25 F-16Block52+ with network centric warfare capability


learn about military , before dreaming

 

[Foinikas]

so it does not recognize it, but ratified it. It has no juridical meaning. It has to go to the parlement and approved what is not done so ther is not juridical meaning. Thats how americans fool the world.

So coming to mine post, USA do not recognize the UNCLOS.

"The United States also participated in the subsequent negotiations of modifications to the treaty from 1990 to 1994. The UNCLOS came into force in 1994. Although the United States now recognizes the UNCLOS as a codification of customary international law, it has not ratified it.

UNCLOS, also called the Law of the Sea Convention or the Law of the Sea Treaty, defines the rights and responsibilities of nations in their use of the world's oceans; it establishes guidelines for businesses, the environment, and the management of marine natural resources. To date, 167 countries and the European Union have joined the Convention."

What matters in the end is that they support UNCLOS and they consider the Greek position as the legally correct. Just like the the EU.

I am saying again
Turkiye has its own defense industry to modernize F-16s
from mission computer to IFF system , from EW suite to Targeting Pod and from AESA Radar to Air to Air Missiles

ENGLISH! DO YOU SPEAK IT?

Americans can block the upgrade. If you upgrade them,they will impose more sanctions.


You don't need to advertise Turkish products,it doesn't even matter. We're getting more Rafale and F-16Vs and you're flying half your fleet and waiting for Kizelelma and TFX. That's the truth.

9 Rafales can not change anything in a war
Turkiye can hit 9 Rafales even in Jet Hangars at Tanagra Air Base
thanks to Turkish missiles BORA , TAYFUN , ATMACA , SOM

WE'VE HEARD THIS SCENARIO A MILLION TIMES ON THIS FORUM.

Find some new to say.

9 Rafales,by the end of the year 10 and 4-5 F-16Vs give us a nice qualitative advantage,especially now that you're Air Force is having problems.

Your missiles are either still not in production or not in big numbers. And we have AA systems. Yes,the ones you mocked. Yes,the Patriot and the S-300PMU1.

and Turkiye has 192 S400 Air Defense Missiles including 380km 40N6E and 250 km 48N6E3 missile with speed of mach 5.9 to turn Rafale into crap of metal

Yeah sure,turn on S-400s against a fellow NATO country and see how fast you'll get blockaded.

and in BVR combat Turkiye has 192 F-16s with network centric warfare capability , while Greece has only 4 F-16V and 25 F-16Block52+ with network centric warfare capability

Sure buddy,sure. You're wasting yourself here,you should be a general.

 

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ENGLISH! DO YOU SPEAK IT?

Americans can block the upgrade. If you upgrade them,they will impose more sanctions.

Only in your fantasy world


USA already allowed Turkiye for OZGUR modernization
35 F-16 block30 to block70 standard

and Turkiye will modernize 79 F-16 block50s with its own systems , if USA doesnt give kits to Turkiye


Greece gets 84 F-16V until 2028 .... Turkiye also will have 35+79 F-16V block70 standard until 2028 .. even better fire power with GOKHAN - GOKDAGAN air to air missiles , SOM Cruise Missile and AKBABA anti-radiation Missile

You don't need to advertise Turkish products,it doesn't even matter. We're getting more Rafale and F-16Vs and you're flying half your fleet and waiting for Kizelelma and TFX. That's the truth.

Turkiye has 192 S400 Air Defense Missiles to turn all Rafales into crap of metal

also SIPER Air Defense System enter service ... no need even Fighter Jets to block Rafales
S400 and SIPER will be enough to block Rafales


Rafale can not change anything in the Aegean ...
if Turkiye want , Hellenic Air Force can not cross 25th meridian in the Aegean

Thanks to S400 and SIPER Air Defense Systems

 

[Foinikas]

if Turkiye want , Hellenic Air Force can not cross 25th meridian in the Aegean

Ok general.

Can Turkiye also stop America,Russia,China?

 

[Abid123]

Ok general.

Can Turkiye also stop America,Russia,China?

Well after seeing Russia's performance I am pretty damn sure Turkey can stop Russia in a conventional war. The only country in the world that can defeat Turkey in a war is America. Can't think of another country that would be a serious threat to Turkey.

 

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Ok general.

Can Turkiye also stop America,Russia,China?

America,Russia could not beat even weak Vietnam,Afghanistan,Ukraine
and USA-Russia are not stupid to fight Turkiye for Greece


btw You said that Russia can defeat Turkiye in a weak
in reality Russia could not defeat even weak Ukraine in 9 months


better worry about your Greece .. Nobody will save Greece as like 1922 and 1974

 

[Foinikas]

The only country in the world that can defeat Turkey in a war is America. Can't think of another country that would be a serious threat to Turkey.

Only? What about China? Italy? France?

btw You said that Russia can defeat Turkiye in a weak
in reality Russia could not defeat even weak Ukraine in 9 months

When did I say it? Quote it.

America,Russia could not beat even weak Vietnam,Afghanistan,Ukraine
and USA-Russia are not stupid to fight Turkiye for Greece

You've said the same old bull again and again. You're ENDLESSLY REPEATING YOURSELF.

You still cannot fathom,in your tiny brain,that it wasn't USA that lost in Vietnam and Afghanistan. Nor is USA fighting in Ukraine.

 

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9 Rafales,by the end of the year 10 and 4-5 F-16Vs give us a nice qualitative advantage,especially now that you're Air Force is having problems.

Your missiles are either still not in production or not in big numbers. And we have AA systems. Yes,the ones you mocked. Yes,the Patriot and the S-300PMU1.

Turkish Air Force doesnt have big problem ... and 9 Rafales can not change anything

235 F-16 Fighter Jets , 4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs
S400 and SIPER Air Defense Systems are enough against Hellenic Air Force



Turkish YILDIRIM , BORA , TAYFUN , ATMACA and SOM Missiles are in production

also 100 ATACMS , 50 SLAM-ER , 97 POPEYE , 95 HARM Missiles in service

also 200 km SIMSEK kamikaze Drone in mass production with E/O Camera to hit Greek Air Defense Systems

1.000 km KARGI anti-radiation Drone with RF seeker has been developed .. full of indigenous

250+ Turkish UCAVs will be enough to destroy Greek PATRIOT Systems in Skyros and game over


180+ km KUZGUN-TJ , 150 km CAKIR Missiles are coming to be fired from land,naval and air platforms


Greece can not defend Islands which are 2-10-30 km away from Turkish mainland

and PATRIOTs in Athens , S300s in Crete can not do anything against Turkish F-16s over Greek Islands which are 2-10-30 km away from Turkish mainland


Greece can not win a war against Turkiye ... not even close
even Greece will lose Islands in a war

 

[Foinikas]

Greece can not defend Islands which are 2-10-30 km away from Turkish mainland

So then,why do you insist that they are threat to you?

There you go! You debunked your own government's narration!

 

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You've said the same old bull again and again. You're ENDLESSLY REPEATING YOURSELF.

You still cannot fathom,in your tiny brain,that it wasn't USA that lost in Vietnam and Afghanistan. Nor is USA fighting in Ukraine.

You keep dreaming with your tiny brain ...
in reality nobody will fight Turkiye for Greece as like 1922 and 1974

smart nations use brainless nations as puppet ... nothing else


USA failed in Vietnam in 20 years
USA failed in Afghanistan in 20 years

USSR ( Russians ) failed in Afghanistan in 10 years
and Russia sucks in Ukraine in 9 months

War is not computer game .... according to your tiny brain Russia can defeat Turkiye in a weak ... cahil bebek git bilgisayar oyunu oyna

 

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So then,why do you insist that they are threat to you?

There you go! You debunked your own government's narration!

Your tiny brain can not understand it
Greece is an ant in front of Turkiye ... We dont afraid of even France


Turkiye 100 times smarter than Greece
between 1964 and 1974 Turkiye created the necessary legal and political conjuncture for the peace operation against illegal acts by Greeks-Greek Cypriots in Cyprus

Turkiye was 100% right in 1974 , therefore USA-USSR,The EU could not stop Turkiye


Today there is a direct link between the status and sovereignty of these demilitarized islands

Greece violate international agreements and Turkiye create the necessary legal and political conjuncture for the military operation


Türkiye sent Letters to the UN laying out Ankara's legal arguments after Greece violated the islands’ demilitarized status

and if Greece does not abandon this violation, the islands’ sovereignty will become a matter of debate


between 1964 and 1974 Greeks dreamed about to take whole Cyprus but in 1974 Greeks lost 1/3 of Cyprus and nobody can steal our rights

now Greeks are dreaming about Seville Map to steal our rights
but Greeks will lose Islands
bravo Greeks keep making mistakes to violate agreements
you have tiny brain to play with the Turks

 

[Akritas]

Türkiye sent Letters to the UN laying out Ankara's legal arguments after Greece violated the islands’ demilitarized status

Greek answer....

and if Greece does not abandon this violation, the islands’ sovereignty will become a matter of debate

Greek side answered and on that........

 

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Fairly Greek tales

keep making mistakes to violate agreements
Another Turkish military operation will wake up daydreamer Greeks as like 1974 Cyprus peace operation

but it will be too late for regret when you lose Islands

 

[Akritas]

Fairly Greek tales

keep making mistakes to violate agreements
Another Turkish military operation will wake up daydreamer Greeks as like 1974 Cyprus peace operation

but it will be too late for regret when you lose Islands

Did you see that you cannot argue with political arguments, and directly threaten with war?
And because we know you very well, after all, you have already invaded three of your neighboring countries(Cyprus, Syria and Iraq) we will continue to equip our islands with the most modern available arsenal.

 

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Did you see that you cannot argue with political arguments, and directly threaten with war?
And because we know you very well, after all, you have already invaded three of your neighboring countries(Cyprus, Syria and Iraq) we will continue to equip our islands with the most modern available arsenal.

Greeks , French , British ,Armenians all together attacked Turkiye from Greek Islands between 1919 and 1922

today same senario , USA,France support Greece to arm Islands against Turkiye

You keep illegally equip islands with weapons to create the necessary legal and political conjuncture for the military operation by the Turkish Armed Forces


Daydreamer Greeks who doesn't learn from history ..



CYPRUS
between 1964 and 1974 EOKA Terrorists attacked-killed the Turks in Cyprus
Greeks dreamed about taking whole Cyprus from the Turks

The Greeks did not agree to a common state with the Turks after the United Kingdom's withdrawal from the island. Greeks tried to seize the entire administration of Cyprus themselves,

but in 1974 Greeks lost 1/3 of Cyprus and nobody can steal our rights
According to Treaty of Zurich and London, on 11 February 1959
Turkiye used its right to intervene in Cyprus as a guarantor state to protect to the Turks

Turkiye is 100% right in Cyprus



IRAQ-SYRIA

PKK/YPG Terror organizations attacked Turkiye from İraq and Syria since 1990s
even the leader of PKK terror organization ( OCALAN ) lived in Syria until 1999

USA-France used PKK/YPG Terror organization to invade 30% of Syria under the mask of fighting ISIS

and USA gave 40.000 trucks of weapons to PKK/YPG Terror organization to fight Turkiye

Turkiye lost over $500 billion and tens of thousands of citizens to fight PKK/YPG Terror organization


so Turkiye is 100% right to be in İraq and Syria
( UN article 51 self defense to fight terrorism )