Geopolitics of ASEAN+ region

[kalu_miah]

That's all good, can you tell me what is that supposed to address?

I am just seeking clarification. Nothing else.

This was just backing up the point I made about Japanese using real and even imaginary racial and genetic ties when it suits their geopolitical strategy.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

Even with other non-communist countries, you can see that Japan does not transfer technologies (the significant ones).

Yes, that is one common complaint from other East Asian countries as those reports say in the first paragraphs, but deeper investigations show that Japan did transfer lots of technology.

While both South Korea and China kick up lots of fuss over IJA actions before 1945, they hardly mention that South Korea received around as much aid in two decades as the whole of Africa. Most of these direct aid came from USA, and Japan.

http://www.ide.go.jp/English/Research/Net/pdf/Mizuno_Report.pdf

The above says Hyundai and Kia motors which imported technology from Japan had higher technology levels than Daewoo Motors which imported technology from General Motors.

Result:

After 1997 financial crisis, Hyundai and Kia survived due to their 'superior technology' but Daewoo Motors went bankrupt because it had not technology of its own.


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Again, I am just quoting that PDF.


You can see the same pattern in the machine tools industry, electronics, automotive and many other industries.

This was just backing up the point I made about Japanese using real and even imaginary racial and genetic ties when it suits their geopolitical strategy.

Every geopolitical actor uses whatever slogan they need to use in order to gather 'allies' or 'subordinates'. For the Americans, it's the slogan of Human Rights, Democracy etc. For Japan, it was an "Greater East Asian Co prosperity Sphere" (and further fuelled by 'blood ties', real or imaginary).

 

[Banglar Lathial]

8. A Chinese interest in S Tibet and Indian NE cannot be considered in isolation from an interest in Arakan which commands the northern Bay and is like a wall shielding Arakan Yoma approaches into NE. Interests of BD, China, Indonesia and Malaysia in the Moluccas should converge on a common interest in Andaman-Nicobar. A-N is a Muslim majority group of islands that should have gone either to Indonesia or Pakistan (BD) in 1947. Today India has built up Fortress Andaman as its only joint forces command to create tension at the mouth of the Moluccas.

Great points.

Just for your information, though, Malacca and Moluccas are different.






Malacca straits is just "next door" to us, at the mouth of Andaman, next to Singapore, straddled by Malaysia and Indonesia.


Moluccas



Moluccas is in Eastern Indonesia, closer to Australia.

Other than that, the linkage with the drug peddling gang in Burma, the Jewish lobby, Singapore and Hindustan is of great significance. Good info.

 

[Audio]

However, Japan would not transfer technologies to Vietnam to produce our own high-speed rail.

They had a bad experience with the Chinese on high speed rail ToT. The IP theft claims have been going on for years.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

Let's not sidetrack the topic.

I have provided a few extensive reports on Japanese technology transfers to their East Asian peers.

People can look for more on their own.

It has been "common knowledge" in the East that Japan does not transfer technology, as admitted by many Japanese too, but these reports show that such "common knowledge" is based more on hearsay and perceptions than sound evaluation of facts.

 

[ViXuyen]

Yes, that is one common complaint from other East Asian countries as those reports say in the first paragraphs, but deeper investigations show that Japan did transfer lots of technology.

While both South Korea and China kick up lots of fuss over IJA actions before 1945, they hardly mention that South Korea received around as much aid in two decades as the whole of Africa. Most of these direct aid came from USA, and Japan.

http://www.ide.go.jp/English/Research/Net/pdf/Mizuno_Report.pdf

The above says Hyundai and Kia motors which imported technology from Japan had higher technology levels than Daewoo Motors which imported technology from General Motors.

Result:

After 1997 financial crisis, Hyundai and Kia survived due to their 'superior technology' but Daewoo Motors went bankrupt because it had not technology of its own.


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Again, I am just quoting that PDF.


You can see the same pattern in the machine tools industry, electronics, automotive and many other industries.

The article that you provided is too general (machine tools industry, electronics, automotive and many other industries) as it even failed to mention which specific technologies Japan transferred? Transfering the assembly technologies is not tech transfer my friend. Just one article to refute all the complaints from so many Asian businesses from East to South East Asia is not going to make the case. Look up on the Proton case, Japan never transfered the engine manufacturing tech to Malaysia at all.

High-speed rail, turbine generator, aerospace, radar, rocket, jet engine, nuclear reactor, automobile engine(Korea is the only one who received engine tech transfer)..those technologies have never been transferred. Can you provide me which countries Japan has transferred those techs to? The answer is ZERO.

Since you mention machine tool, Viet Nam is not allowed to import certain machine tools from Japan, let alone technology transfer to produce the tool. You will be in for an unpleasant surprise if you believe in what the author of that article says.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

The article that you provided is too general (machine tools industry, electronics, automotive and many other industries) as it even failed to mention which specific technologies Japan transferred? Transfering the assembly technologies is not tech transfer my friend. Just one article to refute all the complaints from so many Asian businesses from East to South East Asia is not going to make the case. Look up on the Proton case, Japan never transfered the engine manufacturing tech to Malaysia at all.

High-speed rail, turbine generator, aerospace, radar, rocket, jet engine, nuclear reactor, automobile engine(Korea is the only one who received engine tech transfer)..those technologies have never been transferred. Can you provide me which countries Japan has transferred those techs to? The answer is ZERO.

Since you mention machine tool, Viet Nam is not allowed to import certain machine tools from Japan, let alone technology transfer to produce the tool. You will be in for an unpleasant surprise if you believe in what the author of that article says.

As you have said, Korea has received engine technology from Japan.

Automotive Engineering International Online: Global Viewpoints, Mar. 2000, Page 4

Mitsubishi and Hyundai have a technology-transfer agreement whereby the former provides the latter with the complete set of blueprints (or discs) of the Mitsubishi-designed engine and transmission.

The World's Cities: Contrasting Regional, National, and Global Perspectives - Google Books


Mitsubishi Heavy Industries transferred wind turbine technology to Chinese Ningxia YinXing Energy Co.


MHI to transfer wind power technology to Chinese firm

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd, or MHI, a core subsidiary of Japan's Mitsubishi Group, yesterday said that it has agreed to transfer its 2.5-megawatt wind power generation technology to Shenzhen-listed NingXia YinXing Energy Co<000862>, formerly known as Wuzhou Instrument Co, sources reported.

The deal is the extension of the technology transfer in 2007, when MHI transferred its 1-megawatt wind power generation technology to the Chinese firm.

http://www.mhi.co.jp/en/finance/library/plan/pdf/h23_04keikaku.pdf

China
- Licensed marine boiler manufacturing and marketing to state-owned Jiujiang Haitian Equipment
Manufacture.
- Provided 2.5MW wind turbine technology to Ningxia Yinxing Energy.
- Established a subsidiary to comprehensively oversee MHI&#8217;s air-conditioning and refrigeration system
business and a nationwide network of K-POINT dedicated stores (119 stores at the end of March 2011)

Toshiba signed technology transfer agreements with FMIC (China).

Founder Microelectronics International Co.,Ltd

2012
Mar. FMIC and Toshiba signed the &#8220;Manufacturing Agreement&#8221;, and FMIC became one of the foundry fab of Toshiba for the 6-inch wafers.

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Nov. Toshiba transferred FMIC the process of VDMOS slice process, making FMIC the domestic leading position in such area of 6 inch line.

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Nov. FMIC and Toshiba came into the technology transfer agreement.
Nov. Toshiba transferred BCD process to FMIC and became one of FMIC&#8217;s shareholders.

http://202.11.2.113/SEBM/ronso/no9_4/05_SADOI.pdf

Establishment Background
Shanghai N Precision Tool Corporation (N tooling Shanghai)was established in 1992 with
capital of 300 million yen, with 30 per cent provided by China partners and 70 per cent provided
by N tooling Japan. The initial purpose of N tooling Shanghai was to act as a production base for
export to Japan. N tooling Shanghai produces various kinds of machining tools and cutting tools.
The product range is the same as that of N tooling Japan.
N tooling Shanghai increased its capitol to 60 million yen in 1996, 100 million yen in 1998, and
200 million yen in 2000 and has reached capitol of 850 million yen. In 2004, N tooling Shanghai was
reorganized as a joint-stock company. The shareholders are 75 per cent N tooling Japan, 5 per
cent Chairman of N tooling Japan, and three Chinese shareholders hold the remaining 20 per cent
(18%, 1%, and 1%). The shareholders of the Chinese side are all the representatives of the village
where N tooling Shanghai is located. The company reorganization reached five shareholders,
which is the maximum legal number of shareholders in China.

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Most machine tools installed on the production site are from Japan, and a few come from
Taiwan. Those from Taiwan are basic multi-purpose machine tools. Metal materials are of two
kinds, valuable metal, such as tungsten and diamond, and general stainless steel. The former
comprises 90 per cent of N tooling Shanghai&#8217;s material cost, 100 per cent imported from Japan,
while the latter is purchased locally.
N tooling Shanghai consists of tool designing, prototype making, tool making, quality control,
and delivery. In many cases, N tooling Shanghai receives tool drawings from N tooling Japan or
directly from customers.

http://www.eepsa.com.br/downloads/perfil/EEP_perfil_ingles_fev2013.pdf

EEP gained a groundbreaking technological strength when Kawasaki joined the company in 2012. Their participation guaranteed a consistent technology transfer process, ensuring the best conditions
and deadlines for delivering highly complex naval equipment. The industrial plant at the Estaleiro Enseada do Paraguaçu shipyard was created following the standards of quality, productivity and technology of the best shipyards in the world, seeking maximum efficiency and minimum waste in all operational stages.
The technology transfer process comprises training professionals from EEP at Kawasaki&#8217;s industrial plants and technology and training centers. This process also includes consultancies in the shipbuilding area.

GRANDES CONSTRUÇÕES

Kawasaki's participation ensures the use of the latest technology by the venture and the transferring of this knowledge to Brazilian engineers and technicians. The president of the EEP, Fernando Barbosa, said that the Japanese partner joins the consortium with a commitment to help build the latest, most modern equipment available in the area. To do so, Kawasaki signed an agreement to transfer technology. &#8220;They will bring us all their technology in manufacturing, project design, planning and for the training of people.&#8221;

Kawasaki to Participate in a Joint Venture Project for Building Drill Ships etc. in Brazil | Press Release | Kawasaki Heavy Industries, Ltd. KHI

KHI will invest in Estaleiro Enseada do Paraguaçu S.A. (EEP), located in Bahia State, Brazil, as a 30% shareholder and transfer its technology to EEP. EEP is a joint venture company founded by Brazilian first class general contractors, Odebrecht, OAS and UTC (Brazilian Partners) for construction and integration of offshore units, such as platforms, support vessels and drilling units, to which KHI will transfer its technology for the construction of the shipyard and drill ships.

In Brazil, a considerable amount of offshore oil reserves were found in the ultra-deep layer, leading to a spike in demand for various ships, including drill ships & FPSO for the drilling and production. EEP is quite active in the marketing in this sector, obtaining a letter of intent from Sete Brazil (Investment company of Brazil in Oil & Gas industry) for the construction of 6 drill ships to be chartered by Petrobras, a state-owned oil company in Brazil.

KHI has a track record of successful technology transfers to two joint venture shipyards in China, Nantong COSCO KHI Ship Engineering Co., Ltd. (NACKS) and Dalian COSCO Shipbuilding Industry Co., Ltd. (DACOS). These past successes have led the Brazilian Partners to recognize KHI as a right technical partner for this project.

EEP will be the third overseas shipyard for KHI following NACKS and DACOS. KHI will be actively involved in the construction of various ships at EEP, with an eye to assisting in the growth of the company and increasing its profitability.

Outline of the Joint Venture Company

1.
Name of the company: ESTALEIRO ENSEADA DO PARAGUAÇU S.A.

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Foundation date: June 11th, 2010

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Location: Maragojipe City, Bahia, Brazil

4.
Capital: R$253Million (After investment)

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Capital Composition: KHI 30%, Brazilian Partners (Odebrecht, OAS and UTC) 70%

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Operations: Construction and sale of various offshore structures and ships

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Outline of the shipyard: Site area of the shipyard: approx. 1.6mil m2. Steel processing capacity: 36,000t/year

Unsafe at Any Speed? by Yuriko Koike - Project Syndicate

The first such technology transfer was the Taiwan High Speed Rail (THSR), which began operating in January 2001. THSR connects Taipei and Kaohsiung, which are 345 kilometers apart, in 90 minutes. As a result of a renewed emphasis on safety following an earthquake, the Taiwanese authorities decided to use Japanese technology for the rolling stock and a mixture of German and French technology for other facilities and operations.
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One reason why Japan hesitated to export its high-speed rail technology was revealed by JR Tokai Chairman Takayuki Kasai, who wanted to make its provision conditional upon the &#8220;country being politically stable and governed by the rule of law.&#8221; He regularly highlighted the importance of compliance with enforceable contracts that would guarantee intellectual property rights.

Hitachi promotes technology transfer | Business As Usual, Business Features, The Philippine Star | philstar.com

Hitachi Global Storage Technologies (HGST) recently launched its Integrated University Program, which entails a donation of $3 million worth of robotics and metrology laboratory equipment to the University of the Philippines and Ateneo de Manila University (AdMU).


The $3 million laboratory donation focuses on robotics (multi axis robots, precision stages, servo motor control and vision systems) and metrology (interferometry, microscopy and measurement).

The program also includes scholarship and research grants and yearly on the job trainings based on the different universities&#8217; schedules. Grant and scholarships focus on academic disciplines in engineering (mechanical, electrical, chemical and industrial), the science (chemistry, physics, materials and computer sciences) and statistics. The six beneficiary schools are: AdMU, De La Salle, Mapua Institute of Technology, Polytechnic University of the Philippines, UP and the University of Santo Tomas .

Scholars will be trained to work with state of the art robotics, metrology and design resources at Hitachi &#8217;s Laguna plant. Faculty research grants will fund the study of subjects concerning the environment, including hazardous waste treatment, power efficiency and water utilization.

Hitachi GST facility in Laguna is now centered on the production of sliders, a tiny flying wing that supports the read/write head above the surface of the disk. Continued advancement in slider technology will allow hard drive suppliers to continue improving in areas of power consumption, shock tolerance and overall storage capacity.

Military technology can not be transferred so long as their arms export ban is in effect. They must lift the weapons export ban.




Edit:


Hitachi even agreed to 'transfer' nuclear power plant technology to UK, whether the deal went through is another issue.

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/NN_Britain_to_have_boiling_water_reactors_3010121.html

This is a modular design, for which large sections of the reactor building can be assembled in a factory, complete with wiring and components, before being shipped to site and lifted into place. Hitachi wants to "transfer" this technology and establish a module factory in the UK. The company promised "significant investment in training engineers, construction teams and operating staff for the plants." It is to work with local colleges and universities to develop training programs, which will "create a strong and permanent base of nuclear skills in the UK that also have a global demand."

 

[asad71]

Great points.

Just for your information, though, Malacca and Moluccas are different.






Malacca straits is just "next door" to us, at the mouth of Andaman, next to Singapore, straddled by Malaysia and Indonesia.


Moluccas



Moluccas is in Eastern Indonesia, closer to Australia.

Other than that, the linkage with the drug peddling gang in Burma, the Jewish lobby, Singapore and Hindustan is of great significance. Good info.

1.Thank you. I meant the Strait, of course.

2. A bit off topic. The Moluccas are officially and locally called Malauku,the Indonesian provinces of Malauku and N Malaku which are rich in spices. When the Arabs began arriving and settling in this region, they were commonly called the Moors. The flourishing capital of the Sultanate of Arakan was named MarakU as a nostalgic remembrance to the Arab-Moor ancestry. Same seems to be the case here.

 

[kalu_miah]

As you have said, Korea has received engine technology from Japan.

Automotive Engineering International Online: Global Viewpoints, Mar. 2000, Page 4

The World's Cities: Contrasting Regional, National, and Global Perspectives - Google Books

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries transferred wind turbine technology to Chinese Ningxia YinXing Energy Co.

MHI to transfer wind power technology to Chinese firm

http://www.mhi.co.jp/en/finance/library/plan/pdf/h23_04keikaku.pdf

Toshiba signed technology transfer agreements with FMIC (China).

Founder Microelectronics International Co.,Ltd

http://202.11.2.113/SEBM/ronso/no9_4/05_SADOI.pdf

http://www.eepsa.com.br/downloads/perfil/EEP_perfil_ingles_fev2013.pdf

GRANDES CONSTRUÇÕES

Kawasaki to Participate in a Joint Venture Project for Building Drill Ships etc. in Brazil | Press Release | Kawasaki Heavy Industries, Ltd. KHI

Unsafe at Any Speed? by Yuriko Koike - Project Syndicate

Hitachi promotes technology transfer | Business As Usual, Business Features, The Philippine Star | philstar.com

Military technology can not be transferred so long as their arms export ban is in effect. They must lift the weapons export ban.

Edit:

Hitachi even agreed to 'transfer' nuclear power plant technology to UK, whether the deal went through is another issue.

Britain to have boiling water reactors

Great info about Japanese tech transfer to other countries.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

Great info about Japanese tech transfer to other countries.

It would be good to have some conversations with you. My gmail id is ************. Hope to hear from you.

Same here. I request you to check your gmail account, whenever you find some free time.

 

[Vinod2070]

So has the ASEAN+ come into existence already?

Or is it still at the discussion state with some Sushi restaurant waiters?

 

[Ammyy]

So has the ASEAN+ come into existence already?

Or is it still at the discussion state with some Sushi restaurant waiters?

This is in the dreams of some brain fart looser...

I dnt think ASEAN will be ready to expand their group.


India should speed up its connectivity program with ASEAN countries... this will be very useful for NE.

 

[Vinod2070]

This is in the dreams of some brain fart looser...

I dnt think ASEAN will be ready to expand their group.


India should speed up its connectivity program with ASEAN countries... this will be very useful for NE.

In fact ASEAN countries are the real neighbors of India. More than some of our physical neighbors.

We share much more with them culturally. The ties are getting better all the time.

As for the losers here, they don't really matter. Their only salvation lies in good ties with India.

They are just too insignificant for the rest of the world to give a damn about. And that is something that is never going to change.

 

[Ammyy]

In fact ASEAN countries are the real neighbors of India. More than some of our physical neighbors.

We share much more with them culturally. The ties are getting better all the time.

As for the losers here, they don't really matter. Their only salvation lies in good ties with India.

They are just too insignificant for the rest of the world to give a damn about. And that is something that is never going to change.

I think they mistaking PDF as real world ......

 

[Ammyy]