From France with love : French Air Force carried out "massive" airstrikes against ISIS in Raqqah

[F-22Raptor]

So it has been decided. The next week our AC will go to the Gulf,it will carry 18 Rafale (last time it was 12) + 8 SEM + 2 Hawkeye + 3 helicopters.
The Rafale M will carry AASM bombs,but also SCALP missiles.
It will be escorted by 10 ships,including the air defence frigate Chevalier Paul,the anti submarine frigate La Motte Piquet,the frigate Aquitaine (then replaced by the Provence),the tanker Marne,and a nuclear attack submarine. Other navies will join the protection of the CDG such as the Belgian navy frigate Léopold 1er,the British navy's HMS Defender (then replaced by the HMS ST-Albans)(@mike2000 is back ) and an Australian frigate.

La riposte militaire française se prépare à Toulon | La Provence

The Truman carrier group is departing for the Middle East today.

 

[Khafee]

Really, and who is providing arms, money, shelter to them? GCC. If the world leans hard on your @sses, ISIS, al quaida, all, will disappear over night and peace will reign again...France was attacked when she became friend with the GCC monarchies and start differentiating terrorists between the good one (Syria) that she armed, and the bad one (Mali) that she fought....

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The French air force's Rafael's are based in the UAE. AND it's from the UAE where they go from to bomb ISIS, so kindly quit making baseless allegations. Knowing the troll you are it would be futile to discuss our operations, but do you remember why this lady made the headlines all over the west?

So it has been decided. The next week our AC will go to the Gulf,it will carry 18 Rafale (last time it was 12) + 8 SEM + 2 Hawkeye + 3 helicopters.
The Rafale M will carry AASM bombs,but also SCALP missiles.
It will be escorted by 10 ships,including the air defence frigate Chevalier Paul,the anti submarine frigate La Motte Piquet,the frigate Aquitaine (then replaced by the Provence),the tanker Marne,and a nuclear attack submarine. Other navies will join the protection of the CDG such as the Belgian navy frigate Léopold 1er,the British navy's HMS Defender (then replaced by the HMS ST-Albans)(@mike2000 is back ) and an Australian frigate.

La riposte militaire française se prépare à Toulon | La Provence

Bombs are fine, but why will they use SCALP, when SEAD has been achieved?

 

[airmarshal]

Why didnt France bomb before the tragedy?

France, we have heard, have bombed hospital, a museum and civilian facilities. It seems France has gone crazy mad like a bull hurtling down the street crushing everything that came it way.

Syria once had a genuine opposition to Assad. It was US, UK and France that decided to arm the opposition and make Syria a den of foreign imported terrorists. Sympathy aside, France is a culprit and criminal to the people of Syria.

Imagine a country with 2/3rd of population as refugees! Syria had its problems. But foreigners are no one to aid and fund an insurgency.

Will Charlie Hebdo make fun of Paris terror attack victims just like it did of those killed in Russian jet crash in Egypt?

After all, its freedom of speech isnt it?

 

[gambit]

I don't understand your emotional reaction, I asked a legitimate question: Either U.S or France are trying to fool the world. After more than 1 year of bombing 'high value ISIS targets' in Raqqa and around by U.S, France finds 20 important targets for one single night. Either U.S sucked so bad (or ignored) in finding the targets or France is just trying to appease its people by saying: Hey look, we are bombing them back, we are taking 'revenge'.

Nothing personal, I am asking a question, no need to target my nationality for answering.

Your question was emotional and I would say childishly at that.

Did France 'suddenly' found 20 targets, as you emotionally put it ? No, the French did not 'suddenly' found these targets. These locations have been either highly suspect or established to be well known IS controlled. Satellite and overflight recon gave us information as to how people behave around and inside these cities and even around buildings. This is called 'signature' reconnaissance.

Everyone have a signature, by that it ranges from your handwriting to how you eat to how you drive, and if you are a computer programmer, your peers can recognize your code without the need for you to document its ownership. Signature reconnaissance is an established science that predates satellites and aircrafts. It is an intelligence tradecraft, as in simple 'spying', starting with the human observer noting human behaviors in group settings.

If you see men in suits carrying briefcases going in/out of a building, that is a signature behavior for what is most likely to be a place of business. The building could be a cover for something else but unless you know or observe other behaviors, the initial impression will be that of a place of business.

If you men in uniform and saluting each other, that is a signature behavior for a military.

If you see a vehicle running with siren and other vehicles getting out of the way, that is a signature behavior for a law that says an emergency response vehicle have priority right-of-way over anyone else.

If we did not bomb these targets, it was not because we did not observe them but because of other considerations, most likely political, that restrained us.

 

[Serpentine]

Your question was emotional and I would say childishly at that.

Did France 'suddenly' found 20 targets, as you emotionally put it ? No, the French did not 'suddenly' found these targets. These locations have been either highly suspect or established to be well known IS controlled. Satellite and overflight recon gave us information as to how people behave around and inside these cities and even around buildings. This is called 'signature' reconnaissance.

Everyone have a signature, by that it ranges from your handwriting to how you eat to how you drive, and if you are a computer programmer, your peers can recognize your code without the need for you to document its ownership. Signature reconnaissance is an established science that predates satellites and aircrafts. It is an intelligence tradecraft, as in simple 'spying', starting with the human observer noting human behaviors in group settings.

If you see men in suits carrying briefcases going in/out of a building, that is a signature behavior for what is most likely to be a place of business. The building could be a cover for something else but unless you know or observe other behaviors, the initial impression will be that of a place of business.

If you men in uniform and saluting each other, that is a signature behavior for a military.

If you see a vehicle running with siren and other vehicles getting out of the way, that is a signature behavior for a law that says an emergency response vehicle have priority right-of-way over anyone else.

Childish is your answer dear, this is not a James Bond movie, go tell these to someone who falls for it.

If we did not bomb these targets, it was not because we did not observe them but because of other considerations, most likely political, that restrained us.

Yes indeed, other considerations, like waiting for a terrorist attack in Paris to introduce these 'targets' to France as a 'prize'. This means, if the attack in France would occur one month later, these targets would also be destroyed one month later.

If a terror attack happens in England or Australia too, I'm sure U.S has some more 'valuable' targets in its disposal to give it to them as a means for taking their own revenge. Ridiculous at its best.

 

[Daneshmand]

Your question was emotional and I would say childishly at that.

Did France 'suddenly' found 20 targets, as you emotionally put it ? No, the French did not 'suddenly' found these targets. These locations have been either highly suspect or established to be well known IS controlled. Satellite and overflight recon gave us information as to how people behave around and inside these cities and even around buildings. This is called 'signature' reconnaissance.

Everyone have a signature, by that it ranges from your handwriting to how you eat to how you drive, and if you are a computer programmer, your peers can recognize your code without the need for you to document its ownership. Signature reconnaissance is an established science that predates satellites and aircrafts. It is an intelligence tradecraft, as in simple 'spying', starting with the human observer noting human behaviors in group settings.

If you see men in suits carrying briefcases going in/out of a building, that is a signature behavior for what is most likely to be a place of business. The building could be a cover for something else but unless you know or observe other behaviors, the initial impression will be that of a place of business.

If you men in uniform and saluting each other, that is a signature behavior for a military.

If you see a vehicle running with siren and other vehicles getting out of the way, that is a signature behavior for a law that says an emergency response vehicle have priority right-of-way over anyone else.

If we did not bomb these targets, it was not because we did not observe them but because of other considerations, most likely political, that restrained us.

Wrapping your emotionally childish comment in technical mumbo jumbo will not make it any more sensible and rational.

The truth is very simpler than needing your mumbo jumbo explanation. What we are seeing is Afghanistan fiasco all over again. The US and its allies using Wahabis as proxies to achieve geopolitical goals. Then these Frankenstein monsters coming back and biting the hands that fed them. It happened in Afghanistan and now it has happened in Syria.

The moral of the story is: Do not create monsters as long as you are living on the same planet as the monsters.

Because of Childish emotional reasons, US tried to dislodge Assad. This emotionally childish policy has seriously backfired.

And by the way, no amount of aerial bombardment will achieve anything. This war must be fought on the ground. But I do not see any American or French divisions on the ground. The only divisions on the ground are Assad forces. So if France really wants to destroy these animals, it must start supporting Assad's military. As Russia and Iran have been doing. But for this you would need maturity. You would need to set aside the emotionally childish demands that, "Assad must go".

And if we assume France actually targeted IS military positions in Raqqa, a question is raised, what the **** has U.S been doing in past year that France can arrive and suddenly find 20 important targets in the city? One of them are screwing around very badly.

Well, US claims to have provided the intel for the French to vent their anger: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/world/europe/obama-g20-turkey.html?_r=0

Of course France as UNSC Veto holding nuclear armed state had to respond somehow but they were powerless so Americans just pulled out a list of fixed buildings for them to go and drop some bombs on. Completely ignoring the fact that these animals do not care about buildings.

Completely lacking is and has been, the strategic sense of what it would mean.

Without ground invasion and staying put on that ground for decades to come will not have any strategic effect. A proper military must roll into Raqqa and hold it forever.

The problem is, the only force capable of doing that is Assad's military allied with Iran and Russia. France and US will have to lose face internationally and swallow big chunks of their pride, changing their ridiculous policy of "Assad must go".

 

[thesolar65]

@FrenchPilot
Well, you won't succeed 100% with that bombing. May be you weaken them for a short period. The real threats lies inside your country, like us in India. No one can plan anything against your country without the help of your own people.

Try identifying them and then neutralize them using fake encounter (some times it is a necessity). Turn deaf to human rights groups howling. Instill fear in them, then they will have second thought before helping outside vermin. And that include their family (I mean not kill them, but deny every Govt. facility to their family). So that other family will also take care.

We cannot contain them here as we have so many voices, for against, right left etc.

 

[gambit]

As usual, technical explanations are discarded to the way side as to how France 'suddenly' found 20 targets.

 

[-SINAN-]

As usual, technical explanations are discarded to the way side as to how France 'suddenly' found 20 targets.

These locations have been either highly suspect or established to be well known IS controlled. Satellite and overflight recon gave us information as to how people behave around and inside these cities and even around buildings.

So, by observing for 24 hours France had been able to find 20 high valued targets....

Hmm, sounds like sorcery to me.

 

[gambit]

These locations have been either highly suspect or established to be well known IS controlled. Satellite and overflight recon gave us information as to how people behave around and inside these cities and even around buildings.

So, by observing for 24 hours France had been able to find 20 high valued targets....

Hmm, sounds like sorcery to me.

Only 24 hrs ? Are you serious ? Are you that limited in your thinking ? Am asking in a nice way.

 

[-SINAN-]

Only 24 hrs ? Are you serious ? Are you that limited in your thinking ? Am asking in a nice way.

So, they observed for days/weeks and decided to hit after the Paris bombings ?

 

[mike2000 is back]

As usual, technical explanations are discarded to the way side as to how France 'suddenly' found 20 targets.

What do you expect from the Islamists state mullahs of Iran who have also been supporting terrorist groups in the region for their own objectives? I always find it hilarious when they try to lecture others about terrorism. LMAO They genuinely believe they are saints and have never done any harm. As they often say:Your neighbours know you better than anyone. So ,don't even waste your tine arguing with them, as you wont achieve anything no matter how much you try and talk sense to them.

 

[Vergennes]

What do you expect from the Islamists state mullahs of Iran who have also been supporting terrorist groups in the region for their own objectives? I always find it hilarious when they try to lecture others about terrorism. LMAO They genuinely believe they are saints and have never done any harm. As they often say:Your neighbours know you better than anyone. So ,don't even waste your tine arguing with them, as you wont achieve anything no matter how much you try and talk sense to them.

Yeah,they also support terrorist groups all over the world and destroy many countries in the Middle east through proxy wars,interfere in other countries affairs......... But it's always our fault.
Accusing others of doing that,but they are also doing that.......That's why i prefer to end that discussion,because it is hilarious.
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This night,France launched new airstrikes against ISIS in Raqqah,10 aircrafts of the French air Force launched 16 bombs against ISIS's targets.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Yeah,they also support terrorist groups all over the world and destroy many countries in the Middle east through proxy wars,interfere in other countries affairs......... But it's always our fault.
Accusing others of doing that,but they are also doing that.......That's why i prefer to end that discussion,because it is hilarious.
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This night,France launched new airstrikes against ISIS in Raqqah,10 aircrafts of the French air Force launched 16 bombs against ISIS's targets.

I cant really blame them for arming, financing, supporting terrorist groups in the region and their other proxies. Its normal, since they are doing it to protect and further their own intetests. What i find hilarious is that they are trying to act like they are holy/saints while lecturing others. thats the biggest joke of it all. Everytime they try and do that, its good to remind them of ground realities.

 

[$@rJen]

people Without boots on the ground.. nothing is going to get a satisfactory results..separate them from civilian areas and use some tactical Nukes.. these punk's Fleshes shouldn't even fall on the ground.. let it turn into Ashes