From France with love : French Air Force carried out "massive" airstrikes against ISIS in Raqqah

[Ceylal]

Some members on PDF acting as if they were in a command center of the French air force and knew what our aircrafts are bombing.
Hilarious. @mike2000 is back @flamer84 @Abingdonboy

From others sources, the French retaliation resemble more at the Jordanian one after one of her pilot was fireballed..A lot of noise with a little results...In fact France doesn't have the means to conduct or sustain an operation of such magnitude. You had not target to bomb, their were given to you by the US, refueling is US......And Turkey is accusing France of targeting her own terrorists against Assad and threatening you with retaliation..

 

[Daneshmand]

Pakistan managed to do it with similar forces bro, although that was from many years of fighting insurgency.

The Legion is well trained in desert warfare and have had an excellent run in Mali etc. The regular forces can supplement.

As for Obama, well, I'm not sure how he aims to tackle them.

I fully understand what you are saying.

Yes, but Pakistan was doing it on its own territory with an army five times larger. With a 100,000 army no one can go and occupy a foreign land, and you can not even deploy all these 100 k troops since you need some for national defense at home and you need to give rest time to them.

So at any time France will not be able to deploy more than 40,000. Isis controls an area bigger than England. In Iraq US had a force of near to 150 k and still the country never was under their control. The story of Afghanistan is now well known, after 14 years, US is negotiating with Taliban.

Emotions aside, France has only one option here. Join forces with Russia, Iran and Assad. If they are really serious about destroying these zombies, this is the only way. Any force deployed to those areas will have to be present there for decades to come. Only a national Syrian force will be able to do that. France will not be able to sit there with a 30 thousand army for the next half a century.

 

[Ceylal]

Pakistan managed to do it with similar forces bro, although that was from many years of fighting insurgency.

it within Pakistan border in an area Pakistani army is very familiar with as well as the nature of the threats. France is about 3000 kms from her shore. The last time she fought in Syria was in the 20's against the Ottoman empire. The ennemi has changed since that time and France is not the power she was then.

The Legion is well trained in desert warfare and have had an excellent run in Mali etc. The regular forces can supplement.

She failed in Mali. It was the Algerian peace treaty sidned by all the belligerants and the Malian central government that gave a different outcome of that area.

As for Obama, well, I'm not sure how he aims to tackle them.

Obama is not going to put any troop. The US has a vested interest in keeping that region smoldering.

 

[Vergennes]

I fully understand what you are saying.

Yes, but Pakistan was doing it on its own territory with an army five times larger. With a 100,000 army no one can go and occupy a foreign land, and you can not even deploy all these 100 k troops since you need some for national defense at home and you need to give rest time to them.

So at any time France will not be able to deploy more than 40,000. Isis controls an area bigger than England. In Iraq US had a force of near to 150 k and still the country never was under their control. The story of Afghanistan is now well known, after 14 years, US is negotiating with Taliban.

Emotions aside, France has only one option here. Join forces with Russia, Iran and Assad. If they are really serious about destroying these zombies, this is the only way. Any force deployed to those areas will have to be present there for decades to come. Only a national Syrian force will be able to do that. France will not be able to sit there with a 30 thousand army for the next half a century.

We are heading to a greater cooperation with Russia on this matter. We could realize that we have to ally with Assad (as many said in our government.)
Assad might not be a Lord,but i prefer him than Baghdadi. All the way.
I think the coming developments are going to be interesting. Let's wait and see. They will meet and talk about how pooling our ressources with those of Russia and USA

 

[Daneshmand]

We are heading to a greater cooperation with Russia on this matter. We could realize that we have to ally with Assad (as many said in our government.)
Assad might not be a Lord,but i prefer him than Baghdadi. All the way.
I think the coming developments are going to be interesting. Let's wait and see.

If that is true, then you have all my support. Because dropping a couple of dozen bombs on a few abandoned buildings in the middle of a desolate desert from a dozen planes taking off from airbases in countries that have been instrumental in creation of Isis financially / logistically / ideologically, won't even dent the cannibal zombies.

The ground must be held indefinitely into the future so that order can come back to those areas. This is only possible with forces of Assad. And for this, France must change its entire policy with regard to Syria and the wider region.

 

[Daneshmand]

Yeah it is useless. It is better to send some B-52s and carpet bomb Raqqah. Effective.



If we really want to destroy them it would mean that we have to work with Assad. That will happen (most likely) and is the only possible issue. What i think is that we should give air support to his troops,like we are doing to the Peshmergas and Iraqi army it will be slow,but most probably effective.

France does not have B-52's. And US is really not interested in defeating Isis. Their objective is to perpetuate chaos, in order to keep Iran and Russia entangled.

Russia is already using Tu-160 which is a much larger plane than B-52. But even if you flatten or even nuke Raqqa, still you will not succeed. You are failing to understand what you are dealing with here. These are cannibal zombies and they do not live a civilized life in a city which you can raze. These are animals living in desert, and will breed more in chaos.

You need a force on the ground, that holds the territory. This is the only way to defeat these kind of animals. A disciplined force answerable to a man in charge. This allows concerns to be conveyed to the man who will then take care of it on the ground. In my opinion, France will serve its own interests if it joins with Iran and Russia and become part of a stabilizing force in that region instead of following with the American agenda for chaos which France has been following.

Also another important issue for France would be to kick out the Takfiri preachers from Muslim ghettos in France. The Takfiri ideology which is basis of all terror attacks around the world today is being supported financially and ideologically by a French ally. France allowing this ally to radicalize French Muslims, is disastrous both for France and the Muslims. As France is finding out today.

 

[Blue Marlin]

god speed lads.

 

[Taygibay]

Well, US claims to have provided the intel for the French to vent their anger: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/world/europe/obama-g20-turkey.html?_r=0

Of course France as UNSC Veto holding nuclear armed state had to respond somehow but they were powerless so Americans just pulled out a list of fixed buildings for them to go and drop some bombs on. Completely ignoring the fact that these animals do not care about buildings.

Ridiculous! The US did not provide intel to France for those raids, period! Or rather, it most likely added data to the pool.
America is alone at the top in space intel, true! However, there is a second tier made up of France, Russia and China
that possesses autonomous global recognition means. We have all the satellites we need, thanks for your concern.

The problem if any is in treating the data and making adequate targeting decisions from which to draw safe mission
profiles. Referencing GPS to maps, calling your friends from Washington, & UK to Riyadh and Baghdad and informing them more or less summarily, etc.
Our planes are also flying daily Intel and Recon sorties even when they're not bombing, don't you worry!

So, they observed for days/weeks and decided to hit after the Paris bombings ?

YES!!! Gambit or Raptor and French Pilot told you!!!
We have this thing called a public opinion that under our democratic latitudes cannot be shot or imprisoned!
It can be coerced as many alluded to here, fooled or lied to but it can't be ignored.
After such attacks of course, the government has more leeway and can relax the strict rules ( collateral damage )
so that a target known but deemed risky magically morphs betwen WH-Élysée and Pentagon-Balard to :

"Just bomb them all!"​

As I said many times before, t'makes targeting a whole lotta simpler!

then how were you guys politically restrained in bombing the targets you are bombing now?

See above!

The permission from United States.

Do I understand that your submissive nature has you unable to grasp this simple reality :
France needs no permission from any one! Then again, neither does America!
That's your USNC SC veto qualif right there : to stand on your own in decision-making.

In 2003, France told its friend it was committing a profound error about Iraq and would veto.

( The USA thus went to war without official UN support. )​

It was not the first time either and the reverse is just as true ( say Suez '56 ).

This provoked a somewhat childish spat between the friends, a knee jerk reaction ...
from which we recovered but which in other circumstances elsewhere would be considered treason justifying a war.

That's what an adult relationship looks like, what can I say?

If you're into bedside stories with hidden evil, better read Weaveworld by Clive Barker or any Tolkien, sorry!

And a merry evening to all, Tay.

P.S. / Edit

Also another important issue for France would be to kick out the Takfiri preachers from Muslim ghettos in France. The Takfiri ideology which is basis of all terror attacks around the world today is being supported financially and ideologically by a French ally. France allowing this ally to radicalize French Muslims, is disastrous both for France and the Muslims. As France is finding out today.

On that yes except ... that the République does not take part in religion, remember?
And when it did, it was around 1875-1915 to eradicate Catholicism, mind you!

So agreed but tougher to implement than you think!!

GN, Tay.

 

[Vergennes]

Il n'y a pas un moyen de louer quelque B-2 americain et faire rouler le tapis de bombes, c'est plus rapide je pense.

Ce qu'il doit rester de Raqqah c'est............ UN GREAUX GREAUX KRATAIRE!

 

[Taygibay]

KRATAIRE!

Krataire comme Krakatoa? Tu pousses un peu fort quand même!

Y avait même pas de Scalp!

Sorry gang! Joke in French about a typo, no secret code or insult or anything!

Tay.

 

[Vergennes]

She failed in Mali. It was the Algerian peace treaty sidned by all the belligerants and the Malian central government that gave a different outcome of that area..

@Ceylal

False.
The main objective of our operation was to stop the terrorists's advance to Bamako and push them back. As always,the Algerians have a "grande gueule",but when it comes to act,you see nothing ! Remember when this nation called for your help,they thought you would help them,you are the big brother..... the power of the region ! Shame that you prefered to stay and watch the terrorists on the other side of the border and let a country that is far away from this warzone to clean up your doors ! And you dare to tell us we failed ! It isn't your army that stopped their advance,it isn't your army that sent thousands of them to hell,you did nothing,stop claming the credits to you !
Heck,even everone recognize that Chad and its army have more balls than you do !

I will put you on my ignore list,it is better,i don't want to loose my time and participate in an useless debate with persons like you.

 

[Rasengan]

If France decides to go on the ground,it would be with NATO allies,as the US did to "evict" the Talibans.
We have to hit them hard without stopping,we have to hit what gives them money,such as oil refineries etc..
As for this conflict,now i would want everyone to contribute on the fight against ISIS,even if we have differences with others we should unite and fight them. (Didn't US and allies ally to the USSR to defeat the Germans ? )
This war is too bloody,and after defeating the terrorists,we should find a politic compromise about Bashar's future. (He isn't an Angel,wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy from that,but better him on power than Baghdadi no ? )

The Taliban control Afghanistan and the current regime's President is recognized as the Mayor of Kabul. France does not have the stomach and courage to send ground troops in Syria, because the only strategy utilized by your incompetent Army is to send bombs into cities with no concrete ground intelligence and this is a face-saving moment for President Hollande. The incident in Paris was tragic although now the citizens of France can understand how the people of Libya felt, when French military jets were indiscriminately bombing them and destabilizing their country. The objective of destroying ISIS is commendable, so when will France attack and pressurize the Saudi Government who have been funding these groups. Obviously when your nation sells billions of dollar worth of military equipment to Saudi Arabia, then your leaders have no integrity and spine to raise their voice against them, because your exchequer is filled with blood money and they enjoy it. Has Charlie Hebdo done a satirical cartoon on the Paris incident or does hypocrisy run strong in this organization when they mocked the Russian victims in Sinai

 

[Aepsilons]

Strike hard, Strike true. Japan is with France.

Long Live the Republic !

Long Live Liberty !

 

[SQ8]

Will not make a diddly difference and only add to ISIS recruiting via their shitty yet effective propaganda. It targets the disenfranchised in the west and other populations of Muslims whose frustrated minds cant find a better outlet.
The only solution is about 400000 troops invading and cleansing the land. These troops MUST have inputs by middle eastern armies otherwise it will only lead to a temporary reprieve or a need for permanent occupation.

It will be a massive bloody operation that will need to be followed up by democracy made up of locals and not an expat running a dry cleaning shop in Whitechapel or Dearborn which MI6 or CIA selects. Otherwise, it will be a repeat of history in Iraq. Moreover, the Iranians will have to be given a direct role and also told that any misbehaviour will lead to them being included in the cleanup too; something that may end up happening as the Mullah only stays in power there by warmongering fear about the west.

This is an era of tinfoil hat populations that are driven to fear by the media, to them it wont matter if you drop nukes.. or that you were careful about collateral.
In all of this, Israel has to be told to hush up as much as they can since even the slightest of mistake they make will be blown out of proportion in Muslim social media.

The GCC with the tacit approval of the west have really screwed up the game this time in their effort to outplay Iran, and the entire world has to pay the price for it.

 

[BHAN85]

From Russia with love:

Russian testing the launch of TWO slbm bulava for first time, a days ago.

Against who they plan to use it? Are they expecting a big war in a short term?