France & Pakistan to revive JF-17 Avionics/EW/Missiles deal as Indian MMRCA stalls.

[Shariq786]

Time to reopen this thread! India just scrapped the deal
India scraps MMRCA deal for Rafale jets - Livemint

WOHOOOOOOO

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

One might think that PAF would get the French Rafale too considering these deals go through.

 

[Baloch Pakistani]

Calm down guyz it's not what you guyz are thinking.

Centre scraps $20 billion MMRCA deal for 126 Rafale jets for IAF, LCA Tejas to replace MiG-21

New Delhi: In a surprising decision which is likely to have a major impact on the Indian Air Force (IAF), the Centre has scrapped the $20 billion Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) deal for purchase of 126 Rafale fighter jets signed by the previous United Progressive Alliance government. Speaking to CNN-IBN, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar claimed that Rafale fighters cannot replace the ageing MiG-21 which will be phased out in the next 6-10 years.

Parrikar said that India's indigenous Light Combat aircraft Tejas will replace MiG 21 as both are almost of the same category while the Rafale is a much bigger jet with a bigger range and more weapons carrying capabilities. "We have not purchased any new aircraft of latest technology in the past 15 years. IAF desperately needs fourth generation aircraft, the fifth generation that we are working on will take 10-15 years," said Parrikar.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his recent visit to France negotiated with the government there to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets in fly-away condition under a new deal. After meeting French President Francois Hollande in Paris on April 11, Modi announced that IAF would get 36 Rafale jets.

"I think it is a bold decision and I will give 100 out of 100 to the Prime Minister. Many people politically fail to take decision. But the need of the nation comes first. What Modiji has done is that he has got a deal for 36 aircraft. We will negotiate and will buy more. The ice has been broken," he said.

"We have 42 squadrons, we need 36-38 active squadrons. We are phasing out MiG-21. Rafale is not a replacement for MIG. It satisfies the upper end. IAF needs aircraft with capacity of 1000 kms radius. It is a strategic purchase. The earlier government should have taken decisions on government to government deals," added Parrikar.

While pointing out that IAF needs new fighters within a short time frame and so the government to government deal to buy 36 Rafale jets was finalised.

"We have not purchased all 36 aircraft. When there is a PM or President level deal, it is matter of principle clearance. We have promised to purchase 36 aircraft. The major reason for the deal is to induct it in the minimum time frame. It is a good deal," he said.

"Make in India part of the deal will be discussed between ministries. Rafale is a top end fighter and satisfies other criterion as well. The aircraft is expensive and hence we have to take steps. The deal for 126 jets would have cost Rs 90,000 crore. Rafale cannot replace MiG-21, Tejas can do that. We won't induct any low end aircraft. Tejas is a lighter aircraft, it has its limitations. It cannot loiter for hours. Its carrying capacity is only 10-12 tonnes whereas Rafale can carry 24 tonnes," he said.

On charges made by senior Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Subramanian Swamy that the Rafale deal is not in India's interest, the Defence Minister said that he will explain to his colleague the entire scenario and that Swamy's reaction was based on instant news.

But Swamy termed the new Rafale fighter jet deal between India and France a case of arbitrariness. Swamy is yet to decide on what action to take over Modi government's decision to purchase 36 aircraft from France.

Swamy said, "I have not yet decided on whether to approach the court. I am waiting for papers on the new Rafael deal. It prima facie appears to be a case of arbitrariness." Swamy requested Modi not to go ahead with the Rafale deal, which was negotiated by the previous UPA government, and said the performance of the French jet "turned out to be worst of all the aircraft" in Libya and Egypt.

IAF had shortlisted the Rafale fighter under the MMRCA deal after a close competition which also saw Eurofighter Typhoon, Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, Mikoyan MiG-35 and Saab JAS 39 Gripen in the race. While Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, Mikoyan MiG-35 and Saab JAS 39 Gripen were eliminated very early, Dassault Rafale edged out the Eurofighter Typhoon in the final negotiation.

At present the IAf has just 34 fighter squadrons against the ideal 45 squadrons required to take on the threat from both Pakistan and China simultaneously. The ageing MiG-21 and MiG-27 planes are being phased out which will see the IAF strength depleting by at least eight more squadrons.

Under the deal, India was to get only 18 Rafale directly while the rest 108 fighters were to be manufactured by state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. But the final deal between India and France was stuck over who would be responsible for the manufacturers' guarantee on 108 jets which were to be built HAL. India wanted Rafale maker Dassault Aviation to take full responsibility which the latter had not agreed to.

 

[manojb]

Now that mmrca cancel jf17 can have all electronic from france. Well played pakistan

 

[Baloch Pakistani]

Now that mmrca cancel jf17 can have all electronic from france. Well played pakistan

MMRCA is canceled but your government is saying that they will now deal directly with french government instead of dassault, as they have already bought 36 or 64 (i dont remember) rafale jets from france.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

MMRCA is canceled but your government is saying that they will now deal directly with french government instead of dassault, as they have already bought 36 or 64 (i dont remember) rafale jets from france.

How does it matter?

 

[Baloch Pakistani]

How does it matter?

I think by directly dealing with the french government they can speedup the buying process, dassault was proving too difficult to deal with. IMO

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

I think by directly dealing with the french government they can speedup the buying process, dassault was proving too difficult to deal with. IMO

That may be true but the French Govt. might not be able to sell them a large quantity due to EU monitoring the activity. Dassault might also object it because they might be fined by the European Court of Justice under anti-competition law.

 

[Wolfhound]

That may be true but the French Govt. might not be able to sell them a large quantity due to EU monitoring the activity. Dassault might also object it because they might be fined by the European Court of Justice under anti-competition law.

What ever happens we should atleast get some avionics from them, Like HMDS

 

[Baloch Pakistani]

That may be true but the French Govt. might not be able to sell them a large quantity due to EU monitoring the activity. Dassault might also object it because they might be fined by the European Court of Justice under anti-competition law.

Then that means they will only purchase very limited quantity of jets from the french, and according to the article i just read they will now replace their migs with lca instead of rafale. That's better for pakistan.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

What ever happens we should atleast get some avionics from them, Like HDMS

The French have always sold to both sides. This is what they are good at. May be they say take the Rafale (though PAF might not opt)

Then that means they will only purchase very limited quantity of jets from the french, and according to the article i just read they will now replace their migs with lca instead of rafale. That's better for pakistan.

Good for them.

 

[Wolfhound]

The French have always sold to both sides. This is what they are good at. May be they say take the Rafale (though PAF might not opt)

The thing is Firstly Paf doesnt have money to buy the rafale and more importantly it doesnt need it at all.

 

[Baloch Pakistani]

The thing is Firstly Paf doesnt have money to buy the rafale and more importantly it doesnt need it at all.

But it might need avionics and stuff for jf17 block 3

 

[Shariq786]

The thing is Firstly Paf doesnt have money to buy the rafale and more importantly it doesnt need it at all.

Giving avionics means all the stuff would be built in pakistan or imports ???

 

[Baloch Pakistani]

Giving avionics means all the stuff would be built in pakistan or imports ???

Assembly line is possible but french are not very keen to share the technology with any country including india.