Florida Pulse gay club attacked in Orlando - 50 dead and 53 injured

[SQ8]

He's another one of those pathetic liberal White wannabe sellout Pakistanis. People like him need to be stripped of their Pakistani nationality.

Why dont you give up your UK nationality rather than be a hypocrite.

Well that won't happen, one, because Christians/Jews don't consider Islam to be an actual Abrahamic faith, they believe Mohammed was a false prophet. And this incident will be politicized, especially in political arena, but also among religious popular circles. What's weird is that Jewish, Christian and Islamic scripture all instruct their followers to execute gays. Of course many of them are in denial about that, and will say that's fundamentalist approach. No, that is the Abrahamic approach.

Ideally Abrahamic religion should be banned all together as it's not compatible with modern world, or at the very least, Abrahamic faith adherents need to be reeducated on the principles of their religions, and then make choice to keep it or leave it.

Really? Considering Ive read the Quran with exegesis twice over, I have yet to find this "execute" command.
Can you back your claim up?

 

[Bratva]

Why dont you give up your UK nationality rather than be a hypocrite.


Really? Considering Ive read the Quran with exegesis twice over, I have yet to find this "execute" command.
Can you back your claim up?

Whats the mood against muslims in texas in general ?

 

[Red-Bull]

True, but those people are in a minority. I don't use rare exceptions to determine the direction of the general population of a specific group of people if their isn't concrete evidence to prove that those rare cases are a general trend. On the whole, there is a threat level that exists with a certain group of people who's ideology you are at war with.

yep, but they need to get over the PC culture, not only is it literally murdering you guys (you a US citizen, right ?), but all the weakness and inaction is also emboldening the enemy because the backlash from these kinds of incidents in the west invariably seem to take a distinct left turn eventually, and then it starts blaming everyone and everything else but the real problem.

you can see that shit sprouting here already, pathetic

It's not gonna happen anytime soon. These idiot Liberals are going to destroy their own Liberal societies with their own hands. They rather be slaughtered and raped by foreign enemies than be labeled "racist". Apparently, being called a Nazi is more painful than being beheaded.

the worst thing about the inevitable fallout from this is that good people might get in trouble

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Why dont you give up your UK nationality rather than be a hypocrite.


Really? Considering Ive read the Quran with exegesis twice over, I have yet to find this "execute" command.
Can you back your claim up?

Thing is people take some of the verses from the Quran out of context. The verses associated with violent behaviour were sent down due to the brutality the Muslims were facing. The verses are to be only used when you experience the same situation. Furthermore, the peaceful verses are completely blind eyed. For example, the verse were Muslims are commanded to protect churches and synagogues.

 

[SQ8]

Whats the mood against muslims in texas in general ?

Fairly calm and dont care. Its the same as one wearing jeans and shorts to the heart of southern punjab and finding some extremists who hate that when trying to put Texas as redneck country.

As such, it is a very welcoming place.

Thing is people take some of the verses from the Quran out of context. The verses associated with violent behaviour were sent down due to the brutality the Muslims were facing. The verses are to be only used when you experience the same situation. Furthermore, the peaceful verses are completely blind eyed. For example, the verse were Muslims are commanded to protect churches and synagogues.

Quoting out of context is a long standing thing for many conflicts.

 

[Falcon29]

Really? Considering Ive read the Quran with exegesis twice over, I have yet to find this "execute" command.
Can you back your claim up?

Let's not pretend Quran is the only Islamic source for rulings there is, that's simply not true, with all due respect. Mohammed taught the Sharia by means of oral tradition. Much of the Islamic faith guidelines, Sunnah, laws, do not come from Quran. They come from Hadith. And all schools of thought are in agreement about that, and also in agreement that the companions of the Prophet endorsed death penalty for the condition of homosexuality. And there are examples of that in the verified Hadith's. Of course you may not choose to believe in Hadith, but then you might as well not believe in much of the Sunnah, and other teachings that derive from Hadith. And some schools of thought will say it's entering disbelief if you reject Hadith.

Me myself, I'm not in favor of that, I'm an agnostic-atheist. So I have no agenda here. I'm bothered however, by the denial Christians, Muslims and Jews put themselves through, regarding key tenets of their religions. This incident will now be used by some Christian and Jewish circles, to emphasize how Islam is brutal, and how it's a religion of Satan, because of certain laws in Islam, such as apostasy or homosexuality judicial punishments. But, those same people don't know, Islam just brought that down from Judaism, actually much of Islam is literal taken down from Judaism. Jews know what is controversial in their religion, so they get rid of the most controversial things, such as the Talmud scriptures, to try projecting different meaning to their religion. Which just simply proves, by taking logical route, of disbanding much of scripture that supposedly came from their God, that they deny their God and treat their religion as if it's a man made religion. Otherwise they would keep the controversial scriptures since it's supposedly from a divine source. My argument makes absolutely sense, it's just semi-religious people don't like facing the reality here.

And to expand on my point, because they took logical route, now they have credibility to attack Islam, and Muslim's will be unfairly attacked over scripture that is actually originating from the original Abrahamic/Biblical scriptures that Jews and Christians profess to follow. So while I don't have positive views on Abrahamic faiths, my point here actually is beneficial for Muslims.

Now regarding the biblical scriptures on homosexuality:

• Leviticus 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1
• Leviticus 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them."
• 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
• Romans 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

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PS, none of that is 'biblical', it's actually all Jewish scripture which Christians use. Hence this is product of both religions. Some will say it is old testament and no longer relevant, yeah no. Like I said, you took logical approach to clean up your religion. When there is no such permission by the supposed 'Divine Lord' that you allowed you to do that.

Thing is people take some of the verses from the Quran out of context. The verses associated with violent behaviour were sent down due to the brutality the Muslims were facing. The verses are to be only used when you experience the same situation. Furthermore, the peaceful verses are completely blind eyed. For example, the verse were Muslims are commanded to protect churches and synagogues.

I'm an agnostic-atheist and not taking anything out of context. I'm speaking about general established guidelines for society, among all three Abrahamic religions. They are all not favorable towards homosexuality, and they all actually implement death penalty for it. Even one of the most important stories in all the three religions, the story of Lot and his tribe, make it very clear where the Abrahamic God stands in regards to homosexuality.

Instead of being in denial, why can't the educated of you just admit you perceive these religions as man-made religions? Or are you guys claiming the 'Divine God' made some mistakes when condemning gays, and many other things? A perfect God can't make such mistakes. So what is going on here, is these followers of these religions made up their own God, and hence have no issue altering their own God's views, and suddenly claiming he no longer stands for such things, or that he has now become a moderate figure because we're entering modern times....

 

[Desert Fox]

yep, but they need to get over the PC culture, not only is it literally murdering you guys (you a US citizen, right ?), but all the weakness and inaction is also emboldening the enemy because the backlash from these kinds of incidents in the west invariably seem to take a distinct left turn eventually, and then it starts blaming everyone and everything else but the real problem.

you can see that shit sprouting here already, pathetic

Unfortunately, judging from past events, this trend is going to continue unless someone will take lead and stand up to the BS of Leftist imposed political correctness and Universal Egalitarianism. That someone might be Trump, though even if he gets elected i doubt four years of a Trump presidency would change 70 years of Leftist infiltration of American society. Maybe we're doomed. I hope not, but lets wait and see.

The wolf doesn't abstain from attacking a sheep because it's vulnerable. Only the sheepdog keeps the wolf at bay. And until that sheepdog is allowed to do its job, the sheep will remain vulnerable to the wolf's attacks.

Reminds me of this scene from American Sniper
(notice how his description of the sheep fits the modern day Leftists/Liberals of the West ):

the worst thing about the inevitable fallout from this is that good people might get in trouble

History is repeating itself. Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

 

[500]

He was on terror watch list but was allowed to buy and possess guns? I dont get it.

 

[iPhone]

Well, that's the trouble you will have, a potential fifth column. Modern Liberal societies are digging their own graves because they view all of humanity as being on par with them (universal egalitarianism).

(Hypothetical scenario) Its like Pakistan allowing into its borders millions of Hindu indians, giving them citizenship and the right to possess firearms under the belief of universal egalitarianism, and then going to war with india or hindu extremists and not expecting those hindus within its border to form a potential fifth column. No kidding that's a recipe for disaster.

What liberals don't understand is that respect and honor are something that is earned, not handed out like candy. You can't just start respecting and honoring people who never earned that privilege and just hopped off the refugee boat, that they are equal to you just because they bleed red. You have these people coming into your countries who never contributed to your societies but are now reaping the benefits of the citizens of that country while also harboring hate.

So what do you suggest we do to the refugees coming off the boat? Put them in sort of concentration camps? Cuz sure as shit it's not the refugees committing the mass shootings but the kids that are born and raised in this country and have earned the "respect" and "privilege" to buy guns and and using those guns to kill people.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Let's not pretend Quran is the only Islamic source for rulings there is, that's simply not true, with all due respect. Mohammed taught the Sharia by means of oral tradition. Much of the Islamic faith guidelines, Sunnah, laws, do not come from Quran. They come from Hadith. And all schools of thought are in agreement about that, and also in agreement that the companions of the Prophet endorsed death penalty for the condition of homosexuality. And there are examples of that in the verified Hadith's. Of course you may not choose to believe in Hadith, but then you might as well not believe in much of the Sunnah, and other teachings that derive from Hadith. And some schools of thought will say it's entering disbelief if you reject Hadith.

Me myself, I'm not in favor of that, I'm an agnostic-atheist. So I have no agenda here. I'm bothered however, by the denial Christians, Muslims and Jews put themselves through, regarding key tenets of their religions. This incident will now be used by some Christian and Jewish circles, to emphasize how Islam is brutal, and how it's a religion of Satan, because of certain laws in Islam, such as apostasy or homosexuality judicial punishments. But, those same people don't know, Islam just brought that down from Judaism, actually much of Islam is literal taken down from Judaism. Jews know what is controversial in their religion, so they get rid of the most controversial things, such as the Talmud scriptures, to try projecting different meaning to their religion. Which just simply proves, by taking logical route, of disbanding much of scripture that supposedly came from their God, that they deny their God and treat their religion as if it's a man made religion. Otherwise they would keep the controversial scriptures since it's supposedly from a divine source. My argument makes absolutely sense, it's just semi-religious people don't like facing the reality here.

And to expand on my point, because they took logical route, now they have credibility to attack Islam, and Muslim's will be unfairly attacked over scripture that is actually originating from the original Abrahamic/Biblical scriptures that Jews and Christians profess to follow. So while I don't have positive views on Abrahamic faiths, my point here actually is beneficial for Muslims.

Now regarding the biblical scriptures on homosexuality:

• Leviticus 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1
• Leviticus 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them."
• 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
• Romans 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

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......

PS, none of that is 'biblical', it's actually all Jewish scripture which Christians use. Hence this is product of both religions. Some will say it is old testament and no longer relevant, yeah no. Like I said, you took logical approach to clean up your religion. When there is no such permission by the supposed 'Divine Lord' that you allowed you to do that.



I'm an agnostic-atheist and not taking anything out of context. I'm speaking about general established guidelines for society, among all three Abrahamic religions. They are all not favorable towards homosexuality, and they all actually implement death penalty for it. Even one of the most important stories in all the three religions, the story of Lot and his tribe, make it very clear where the Abrahamic God stands in regards to homosexuality.

Instead of being in denial, why can't the educated of you just admit you perceive these religions as man-made religions? Or are you guys claiming the 'Divine God' made some mistakes when condemning gays, and many other things? A perfect God can't make such mistakes. So what is going on here, is these followers of these religions made up their own God, and hence have no issue altering their own God's views, and suddenly claiming he no longer stands for such things, or that he has now become a moderate figure because we're entering modern times....

I'm not denying anything about gays if I was a ruler of a Muslim country I wouldn't allow their marriage. Full stop. Granted if you want to get married then you can go to another country and get married their.

And how can you conclude that the these are "man-made" religions. You think that someone would go through so much suffering like getting nailed to a cross because of something he supposed of created himself or get pelted with sharp stones? There are no mistakes. Every thing was already written. Even the Angels questioned God as to why the need to create humans because they would shed blood. We over estimate our selves thinking we out so learned yet we don't know a half of a quarter.

 

[Desert Fox]

So what do you suggest we do to the refugees coming off the boat? Put them in sort of concentration camps? Cuz sure as shit it's not the refugees committing the mass shootings but the kids that are born and raised in this country and have earned the "respect" and "privilege" to buy guns and and using those guns to kill people.

If it's a Muslim refugee coming of the boat or a US born Muslim citizen does it make a difference when they kill in the name of religion and pledge allegiance to ISIS? All it proves is that we have a fifth column.

BTW, don't misconstrue this as something i personally want (concentration camps and whatever else you stated). I don't control what goes on in this world or what so and so does in the name of religion. I'm merely stating my observations. But don't take my words for it, look back in history for similar examples of whats taking place today.

 

[Falcon29]

I'm not denying anything about gays if I was a ruler of a Muslim country I wouldn't allow their marriage. Full stop. Granted if you want to get married then you can go to another country and get married their.

And how can you conclude that the these are "man-made" religions. You think that someone would go through so much suffering like getting nailed to a cross because of something he supposed of created himself or get pelted with sharp stones? There are no mistakes. Every thing was already written. Even the Angels questioned God as to why the need to create humans because they would shed blood. We over estimate our selves yet we don't know a half of a quarter.

I'm not going to get into why I believe the religions are man-made, that's off topic for now. My point was that, this incident will be used to highlight barbarity of Islam, even though all Abrahamic scriptures/religions endorse death penalty for gays/lesbians. I just don't appreciate disingenuous approach by adherents of Abrahamic faiths, who they themselves, treat their religions as if they're man-made. My argument is very clear and highlights hypocrisy of many people, who will use religion as no more than identity to hate on others.

Without these religions, the world is better off.

 

[Desert Fox]

I'm not going to get into why I believe the religions are man-made, that's off topic for now. My point was that, this incident will be used to highlight barbarity of Islam, even though all Abrahamic scriptures/religions endorse death penalty for gays/lesbians. I just don't appreciate disingenuous approach by adherents of Abrahamic faiths, who they themselves, treat their religions as if they're man-made. My argument is very clear and highlights hypocrisy of many people, who will use religion as no more than identity to hate on others.

Without these religions, the world is better off.

I agree and disagree with the points you have made.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

I'm not going to get into why I believe the religions are man-made, that's off topic for now. My point was that, this incident will be used to highlight barbarity of Islam, even though all Abrahamic scriptures/religions endorse death penalty for gays/lesbians. I just don't appreciate disingenuous approach by adherents of Abrahamic faiths, who they themselves, treat their religions as if they're man-made. My argument is very clear and highlights hypocrisy of many people, who will use religion as no more than identity to hate on others.

Without these religions, the world is better off.

Lol you think the world will be any different? I've heard that excuse too many times. There have been MANY wars that weren't the result of religion. Yet people see what happened in the past few years and conclude religion is the cause for all human suffering. Arrogance.

 

[RabzonKhan]

I am appalled at the senseless act of terrorism against the LGBT.

My deepest sympathy to the family and friends of the victims.


It’s a good day for the freaking racist demagogue and his supporters, and he is taking full advantage of the tragedy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/742019961946791939

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