Featured Ex Air Chief Sohail Aman interview with Qalam Camera

[PakFactor]

@PanzerKiel ,@ARMalik , @SQ8 , @blain2

Gentlemen suggestion needed where should I post the thread in the Army Section or the "Article Section"?
Appreciate your inputs.

I will say Army Section

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

Sohail Aman I Ex Chief of Air Staff of the Pakistan Air Force I #LeadersInISB I 2019

 

[Goenitz]

Pakistani Pilots Capability is way ahead than Indians and if they want to match current fighter pilot skills they need at least 10 years.

Sir Haider says the same.

anyway the whole program is worth watching. @53:17 first shoot capability.

 

[Super Falcon]

The key here brother is collaboration between private sector + universities -- this will allow the new crop of talent to learn the current technologies by mastering it and then building upon it. We would need fast track programs and courses to quickly give basic knowledge out and build interest in this particular field.

Yes very futuristic and planned approach we should be self sufficiant and do marvels in technology im big fan og ex coas aman he is a visionary leader

 

[Baloch Pakistani]

Sir Haider says the same.

anyway the whole program is worth watching. @53:17 first shoot capability.

Salute to this hero of Pakistan Syed Sajjad "Nosey" Haider. I'm a huge admirer of this guy, and of Sarfaraz Ahmad Rafiqui shaheed whose capabilities and talent was wasted by the PAF leadership by sending him on an impossible mission with only 3 planes.

 

[Invicta]

It's amazing...guys who put their life on the line. Stay awake at night so we sleep. Choose the best weapons at their disposal and design and develop strategy know nothing?????

So by your logic; what's the point of this forum? If you can't question or put your point of view forward, then might as well get rid of this forum.
Most people questioning their (PAF) current strategy have valid concerns. It's a different matter if the information to address those concerns is not available or currently classified. We can discuss, if you have the answers please share.

 

[Invicta]

I don't think it's fair to deduce that an average army officer has a lower bar to entry or he spends less time in training etc. than a PAF officer. With PAF, the combat aviation gets to pick the cream of the crop from within the nation. Thankfully ours is a youthful nation and the PAF's selection levels can remain very high.

However, the two are different streams. What the army officers need to learn is specific to their arm or special to arm knowledge.

Army officers in the C4I Dte or Engineers would be more technical in their area than an average infantry, artillery or armor officer. In the CAE, the engineering types from across the 3 services perform well.

In general, the Air Force is the most technical of all services. Even those who serve on the ground are supporting systems that require a higher degree of technical education than their counterparts in the army or navy. Secondly, and even more importantly when comparing the officers, PAF is the only service where it's fighting edge is always led by the officer who fights and the rest support him. In the army and navy, officers command and as and when needed, fight. As such, Air Force officers, specially those in combat flying, are much more hands-on on the systems in use.

Typically, even in the US military, an average army officer would not know much about how the USAF works or what weapon systems are in use there. Unless officers are working in the operations branch of a joint directorate, they remain focused on their arm and even within the arm, their expertise may be very specific or general.

Lastly, a lot of the knowledge comes down to the individual. There are army officers who are extremely well read and take an interest in what they are doing and what is going on around them. Similarly there are quite a few who are completely checked out for various reasons (superceded, no interest in serving any longer, family issues etc.) and one would find their level of technical knowledge limited.

I think the military at one point in time will need to start pulling in recruits from the more well established schools and universities. This attempt to make the military service accessible to all the demographics is alright, however to improve the standards, the military has to bring in people at the very high end of our educational spectrum.

Don't schools like Hasan Abdal etc count as well established? Or would you consider them as part of the core infrastructure? There was a school I came across in Muzafargarh, they specialised in getting their students selected to the armed forces. I cannot remember the name. The students were great at memorising topics and essays, word by word, however, if you were to bring up a problem they had to solve using the core subject their knowledge was found lacking. Essentially anything that was not in the book that they were learning by heart.

I don't know what percentage pupils from such school make up in the armed forces and also looking at the calibre of officers I have met from Pakistan its hard to imaging these youngsters make it very far in the forces.

 

[Xone]

Sohail Aman I Ex Chief of Air Staff of the Pakistan Air Force I #LeadersInISB I 2019

the turning challenge into an opportunity can keep us in relevance to the world and our rivals as well. Pakistan needs to divert more resources to higher education. As we know it incurs lots of money and every talented one can not afford it himself. there should be an easy way to get higher education financed either by government or leasing banks.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Higher IQ individuals are always in short quantity....

No one would like higher IQ individuals to get blown on roads.... Trying to capture a random peak against an entrenched enemy which facing a hail of bullets or missiles.....
... Manning CPs at busy roads in cities where anyone can bump into them....
... Cleaning sewerage etc like it is being done in Karachi....
... Mounting hostage rescue operations which can mean certain death for the first officer who enters that deadly room...... If I remember correctly, Capt Salman Farooq, SSG, Lal Masjid op... His body had more than 30 bullet entry points.....

.... Ground forces is an entirely different league altogether. Here, an officer may not have to handle multi million dollar equipment for which a very high IQ and knowledge is required.....
Here what matters is self example, leading from the front, sharing all hardships with your troops, sleeping under open sky, motivating your troops and then joining them in the march towards death....

Then, due to obvious reasons, ground forces also suffer large casualties, officers included, then other forces. It's nothing special, it's just their job and duty....

Whereas in Air force.... The equipment, aircraft, the demands on a fighter pilot to make quick calculations, OODA loop, survival in the air, all of this requires a person of a much higher IQ.... That's why induction in PAF is much more difficult than army....

Simple question.... Would you like your higher quality stuff to be risked everyday..... Or maybe a 27FebEvent once a year......?

As far as your comments are concerned, regarding the embarrassing IQ of an average army officer.... Well... These average IQ army officers and their achievements.....must be no less than miracles, isn't it.......

I mean average IQ officers mounted innumerable hostage rescue Ops...

average IQ officers also fought against highly trained terrorists for decades, and brought peace to our country....

average IQ officers are also called in aid to civil governments... From elections to floods and city cleaning....

average IQ officers also form part of organizations like ISI etc who are wreaking havoc in enemy ranks in multi ways...

average IQ officers saved innumerable lives by their daring actions....

... In a nutshell..... Whether it a natural disaster, enemy ground forces ingressing along thousands of kilometers of our borders, internal security,..... These average IQ officers are always found at the forefront.

I wonder what makes them do all this.

From
(AN EXTREMELY LOW IQ OFFICER)

it is humbling to see how my army officers have been roughed up by the Internet pilots here on this forum.
I dare not ask which corps or arms where those "low IQ officers" that couldn't tell an ATGM or SU30.

officers I served under knew enough to lead , improvise and make a call when things turned south, locate a sniper and stay calm and reassure men under command. how to deal with an ambush, air raid incoming enemy fire and all that.

YES they and I would struggle to tell a difference between a Mirage 3 or 5 or even Mirage 2000 but we knew how to deal with Indian or Afghan Hind. how to adapt and use/ salvage enemy weapons and calculate quickly the fire range and direction and request our own guns to fire accurately in plains as well as hilly terrain.
my cousin is a commissioned officer and has commanded a mechanized ATGM unit and done UN duties as well faced off TTP, African warlords and Indians with his limited IQ. I will put him on the spot by forwarding the questions from our internet Pilots and Web battle commanders.

from
(former Janbaz force NO IQ Solider)

 

[Yasser76]

it is humbling to see how my army officers have been roughed up by the Internet pilots here on this forum.
I dare not ask which corps or arms where those "low IQ officers" that couldn't tell an ATGM or SU30.

officers I served under knew enough to lead , improvise and make a call when things turned south, locate a sniper and stay calm and reassure men under command. how to deal with an ambush, air raid incoming enemy fire and all that.

YES they and I would struggle to tell a difference between a Mirage 3 or 5 or even Mirage 2000 but we knew how to deal with Indian or Afghan Hind. how to adapt and use/ salvage enemy weapons and calculate quickly the fire range and direction and request our own guns to fire accurately in plains as well as hilly terrain.
my cousin is a commissioned officer and has commanded a mechanized ATGM unit and done UN duties as well faced off TTP, African warlords and Indians with his limited IQ. I will put him on the spot by forwarding the questions from our internet Pilots and Web battle commanders.

from
(former Janbaz force NO IQ Solider)

Well said

 

[Trango Towers]

So by your logic; what's the point of this forum? If you can't question or put your point of view forward, then might as well get rid of this forum.
Most people questioning their (PAF) current strategy have valid concerns. It's a different matter if the information to address those concerns is not available or currently classified. We can discuss, if you have the answers please share.

Question without knowledge or wisdom is what????

 

[Invicta]

Question without knowledge or wisdom is what????

Question without knowledge or wisdom is called a "Question".
There is no knowledge or wisdom without questions.

 

[The Eagle]

If you guys are done "Higher IQ Internet Arm Chair Generals" than please, get back to the topic because it is now beyond comprehension for a low IQ like me.

Regards,

 

[Trango Towers]

Question without knowledge or wisdom is called a "Question".
There is no knowledge or wisdom without questions.

OK mate...I guess if you had been to a university you would not type that.
Before asking a question one must apply his grey matter to ensure that what they are asking is informative and relevant. Thats when progress is made. Anarchy is when u allow idiots to just ask stupid questions without the slightest thought for what the repercussions.
People here think they are experts on aviation matters.
I have an master in aircraft design from a very prestigious university in the UK and worked as a scientist and a structural engineer. I wouldn't say I am in any way an expert or know anywhere near what they men and women of PAF have done and achieved with limited resource.

 

[Sidacca]

Ah I thought it would be very interesting thread.... We have just ruined it