Egypt's grand imam calls polygamy an 'injustice

[HannibalBarca]

Companions of prophet PBUH already had more than 4 wives when islam reached Mohammad PBUH. Many companions had to divorce their wives who had more than 4 . i know few had as many as 32 wives.

It was a pagan idol worshipping arabia. Many companions accepted islam very late. Married ones especially . due to having to leave multiple wives and they didn't want to leave alcohol drinking.

Later when they accepted islam and vecame muslims many divorces their wices and never drank again.

You have to look at people who were younger than marriage age if u want to see true islam.

Look at children of those companions how many did thry marry etc.

The Crestor left the door open for multiple wives for people with special needs or extra ordinary put of normal circumstances.

Anyways we each choose our own path and understanding . i wish all of you people good luck.

When my creator says i won't be able to do justice with more than 1 wife i trust my Creator and wont marry more than one wife at a. Time. Unless there are circumstances where i have to marry another women while my wife is alive well and with me. There are circumstances you know.

Anyways this debate is for face to face talk where i can reason with you and you can reason with me. Not online starting at comouter screens or big tv z

As I said... Polygeny is out of "Social Necessity" not out of "Wish to have more".
That is understandable in Islam.

I think the Misunderstanding among Muslims, is that they think you "should" have the "right" for "4"... that isn't true for the reasons you stated aka "Injustice"...

Few reasons are per exemple Virgins/Widows/Divorces of advanced Age or/and that can't sustain themselves...

 

[hassamun]

Brothers, no debate needed on this topic...

Yes polygamy is allowed, only if the husband treats his wives equally. That's about it...

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Humans are polyamorous. This is a fact! now one marries more than once or keeps a mistress... keeps celibate or whatever is a choice.

 

[Sabretooth]

Today, Muslims have confused the condition of fairness (equality) with other fairness (skin complexion/beauty). In all fairness, equality among multiple spouses is mostly overlooked hence making polygamy a problematic affair in these modern times.

Implementation of polygamy in its truest sense means providing support to divorced and widowed women with or without children, irrespective of the age gap. But in reality, when we decide to go for the second or third, we almost always select the more fresh/newer option which in itself is an injustice to other women.

 

[bsruzm]

Polygyny Isn't in Islam a goal that each man should achieve... It's a practice of necessity...
And for such regards "in that condition of necessity" Polygyny IS a "needed" practice.

It is often abused.
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In Turkey, a man can marry only once but cheat on her a lot of times

 

[HannibalBarca]

It is often abused.
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In Turkey, a man can marry only once but cheat on her a lot of times

Everything is abused, but it doesn't mean the Abuse is the norm.

Yeah... I love today "liberal" Mindset... You can marry one... but enjoy Dozens around for years and years... with no "legal duty" attached to it... Neither basic "rights" to the woman... Used and Abused for free and at will...

But marrying more than One and give those Woman protection and rights under the Law... is "from the Middle Age"...

Even for Feminist... the First option is "Better"...

 

[bsruzm]

Everything is abused, but it doesn't mean the Abuse is the norm.

Yeah... I love today "liberal" Mindset... You can marry one... but enjoy Dozens around for years and years... with no "legal duty" attached to it... Neither basic "rights" to the woman... Used and Abused for free and at will...

But marrying more than One and give those Woman protection and rights under the Law... is "from the Middle Age"...

Even for Feminist... the First option is "Better"...

I still prefer Turkish law...

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

Do you still find word of Allah weak? After readung it urself from Quran?

Those who look for alternate meaning or hidden meanings in quran are in error and sin.

Quran is not a secrely coded book. Everything is said in human language clear and very easy to understand.

Even Creator himself says this in quran that it is very easy book to understand and comorehend no hidden meaning.

Those who say it has hidden meaning are misleading you. Just open the book and read it urself. Stop being brain washed by Mullah's.

Brother, I think I understand where you are coming from. I would, however, clarify my point.

I am not saying that there are hidden meanings in the Quran in the same way some mystics seem to believe.

I do, however, believe that the context in which the Quran was revealed is important to understanding it. If the purpose was reveal a book, Allah could've done so the same way as the Tablets were given to Musa a.s.

I do read the Quran daily, alhamdulillah, and I am also read the tafsir. Ibn Kathir's tafsir for example, gives the opinions of the sahabah about any given ayah. I believe the opinion of Ibn Abbas, for instance, who was taught the Quran directly by RasulAllah pbuh and who lived in the times and was aware of the context, should be given consideration as well.

For instance, without context, the first few ayahs of Surah tawbah can easily give the impression that you should kill kuffaar regardless of situation or context.

I actually have thought a great deal about these matters and have tried to write logical reasons for why the Islamic systems regulating the sexual relations (why men allowed multiple partners and women aren't, why homosexuality etc aren't allowed etc) without using religious reasons. I didn't post because religious discussion is not allowed.

I do read the opinions of scholars and learned men, but I understand that we all have our own grave and must answer for our own choices. I don't believe in blind following of people.

With regards to my lineage, I too am Hashmi Quraishi but I don't really think it helps me one way or the other. Its just a thing that is.


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[El Sidd]

I think u also are coming up for a ban. Your polygamous accounts show no fairness to the indians on this forum

Dude I have a clause in my nikkah with this avatar that i wont get multiple ids here.

Egypt marital landscape isn't Polygynous...
Therefore Woman Rights aren't linked to the well being of such practice.

Polygyny Isn't in Islam a goal that each man should achieve... It's a practice of necessity...
And for such regards "in that condition of necessity" Polygyny IS a "needed" practice.

I understand your point of view about practice of necessity. A temporary ban on polygamy till situation overall improves and men start giving women their due human rights is not something out of the box.

 

[HannibalBarca]

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I understand your point of view about practice of necessity. A temporary ban on polygamy till situation overall improves and men start giving women their due human rights is not something out of the box.

A ban will have Zero impact on Woman Rights. Polygeny is not that spread in Egyptian society.

The problem is the lack of reinforcement of the Rule of Law...

 

[El Sidd]

A ban will have Zero impact on Woman Rights. Polygeny is not that spread in Egyptian society.

The problem is the lack of reinforcement of the Rule of Law...

laws can only be reinforced if the populace have an understanding of them.

A ban is a strict measure meant for strict times. There is provision within the Islamic law that this can be done.

 

[Trango Towers]

Dude I have a clause in my nikkah with this avatar that i wont get multiple ids here.



I understand your point of view about practice of necessity. A temporary ban on polygamy till situation overall improves and men start giving women their due human rights is not something out of the box.

Loooool i looked at your avtar...very good bro

Dude I have a clause in my nikkah with this avatar that i wont get multiple ids here.



I understand your point of view about practice of necessity. A temporary ban on polygamy till situation overall improves and men start giving women their due human rights is not something out of the box.

I dont this the scholar meant what is being said in the media. Having said that its nkt just about womans rights, its also about mens rights. Not all men are happy and no all wives are angels. I k ow wives who are the best in doing their prayers but abuse husbands. So educating the masses should be a goal. Here we are just scoring own goals.

 

[313ghazi]

The media is misreporting what he said.

He didn't say anything of the sort. Even the content of the report contradicts the headline.

 

[El Sidd]

Loooool i looked at your avtar...very good bro


I dont this the scholar meant what is being said in the media. Having said that its nkt just about womans rights, its also about mens rights. Not all men are happy and no all wives are angels. I k ow wives who are the best in doing their prayers but abuse husbands. So educating the masses should be a goal. Here we are just scoring own goals.

That is what i meant when i say that people are too quick to politicize these social problems.

It is all about striking a balance. You do not want the government too involved as to create unnecessary problems but not too distant so as that rights cannot be guaranteed to any of the two involved parties.

Marriage is not a birth right but a right that can be earned within the societal confines and Muslims really ought to redefine marriage as holy matrimony.

 

[Trango Towers]

That is what i meant when i say that people are too quick to politicize these social problems.

It is all about striking a balance. You do not want the government too involved as to create unnecessary problems but not too distant so as that rights cannot be guaranteed to any of the two involved parties.

Marriage is not a birth right but a right that can be earned within the societal confines and Muslims really ought to redefine marriage as holy matrimony.

Blimey bro...u r coming across as a thoughtful educated Pak1. Please stop this as i will have to start respecting you even more. Lool.

Now really you are spot on. So many donkeys woth kids. So many good kid women married to idiots a d so many hard working men married married to wives who wouldnt be your tomato picker