Egypt's grand imam calls polygamy an 'injustice

[KediKesenFare3]

No real man in the 21st century is capable of equally loving, respecting and treating more than one woman at the same time unless he treats all of them equally shitty.

 

[HannibalBarca]

No real man in the 21st century is capable of equally loving, respecting and treating more than one woman at the same time unless he treats all of them equally shitty.

Why do you think a Man of the 20th and before could?

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Why do you think a Man of the 20th and before could?

Zionism. Jews destroyed my love life. Hate them all.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Zionism. Jews destroyed my love life. Hate them all.

Wasn't prepared for that... weird flex, but ok.

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

Well God Almighty himself says in quran you won't be able to do justice between mulitple wives. Marry them in 2 3 or 4 if you can do justice, but you won't be able to.

Words from Quran not my own.

No real man in the 21st century is capable of equally loving, respecting and treating more than one woman at the same time unless he treats all of them equally shitty.

Not commenting on the matter in general but the argument that the Ayah about treating all wives equally translates to don't marry more than one because you cannot possibly treat all absolutely equally seems a bit weak to me.

The fact is this ayah wasn't revealed to us, rather it was revealed to Prophet Muhammad pbuh and it was not understood this way. Had it meant this, we wouldn't have seen this practice amongst the companions of RasulAllah pbuh and the Sahabah.

Human nature has remained the same since that time so whether its fifth or twelfth or twenty first century, the subject matter applies.

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[Foxtrot Delta]

Salaam



Not commenting on the matter in general but the argument that the Ayah about treating all wives equally translates to don't marry more than one because you cannot possibly treat all absolutely equally seems a bit weak to me.

The fact is this ayah wasn't revealed to us, rather it was revealed to Prophet Muhammad pbuh and it was not understood this way. Had it meant this, we wouldn't have seen this practice amongst the companions of RasulAllah pbuh and the Sahabah.

Human nature has remained the same since that time so whether its fifth or twelfth or twenty first century, the subject matter applies.

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Go read quran if you find word of Allah weak.
I not only read it daily but i reflect (think) upon it each day.

This is just one example there are others where creator of the universe says you can marry women by 2 , 3 , 4 he doesnt put a stop there he is giving an example. Then states in same verse you should fear you will not be able to do justice among them and i know you can't.

Clearly Allah ( The God )says we men can't do justice with our wives because Allah ( The God) created us he knows us best
Another example below:

He says clearly we cant do justice with more than one wife/life partner. So if The Creator of the universe says this , i take His word for it. I trust him completely.

 

[Trango Towers]

Ban it till men start giving rights to women

I think u also are coming up for a ban. Your polygamous accounts show no fairness to the indians on this forum

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Salaam





Not commenting on the matter in general but the argument that the Ayah about treating all wives equally translates to don't marry more than one because you cannot possibly treat all absolutely equally seems a bit weak to me.

The fact is this ayah wasn't revealed to us, rather it was revealed to Prophet Muhammad pbuh and it was not understood this way. Had it meant this, we wouldn't have seen this practice amongst the companions of RasulAllah pbuh and the Sahabah.

Human nature has remained the same since that time so whether its fifth or twelfth or twenty first century, the subject matter applies.

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Do you still find word of Allah weak? After readung it urself from Quran?

Those who look for alternate meaning or hidden meanings in quran are in error and sin.

Quran is not a secrely coded book. Everything is said in human language clear and very easy to understand.

Even Creator himself says this in quran that it is very easy book to understand and comorehend no hidden meaning.

Those who say it has hidden meaning are misleading you. Just open the book and read it urself. Stop being brain washed by Mullah's.

 

[HannibalBarca]

@Foxtrot Delta It isn't quite like that. it's not a "Yes or No". it's more as to prevent from Taulu/Injustice. And the English version you have is quite harsh in meaning, aren't they any other translation available where they show the different spectrum meaning of the Arabic words? (Some scholars that I knew, If I remember correctly, preferred the English version of Hilal&Khan and Yusuf Ali, I think it's those name.)

Polygeny should be used as a social necessity, more than a "Wish to have more than 1".

The Quran can be read alone, That's is true. When you are well versed in Traditional Arabic language. Otherwise it should be commented by Scholars/Tafsir etc... as an a way to complet it's original meaning.
And it's not only to non-arabic speakers, even Today Arabic speakers HAVE to learn that type of Arabic, it's Different than modern Arabic.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

@Foxtrot Delta It isn't quite like that. it's not a "Yes or No". it's more as to prevent from Taulu/Injustice. And the English version you have is quite harsh in meaning, aren't they any other translation available where they show the different spectrum meaning of the Arabic words?

Polygeny should be used as a necessity, more than a "Wish to have more than 1".

The Quran can be read alone, That's is true. When you are well versed in Traditional Arabic language. Otherwise it should be commented by Scholars/Tafsir etc... as an a way to complet it's original meaning
And it's not only to non-arabic speakers, even Today Arabic speakers HAVE to learn that type of Arabic, it's Different than modern Arabic.

This is where you and i have two different opinions anyways . i know todays muslims are muslims just by name. Carry on. I wont continue in this thread.

Im a Qurehi hashimi with 17 generstions of Quranic scholars in my family. I have been taught quran simce i was age 7. My understanding of quran is very different from the Muslims of 2019. Today different.

Yes we all are muslims we all have the right and freedom of our own opinions and choices. salam you do ur best following Mullah's on loud speakers. You guys would take word of a man than words of the creator himself.

You guys think quran came in an alien language that needs to be decoded. While for me the message is very clear and up there. As i pasted from Quran.

I will do what Quran and basic human intelligence sayz. You see we all have a brain and right to use it as we see fit.

Salam peace.

 

[HannibalBarca]

This is where you and i have two different opinions anyways . i know todays muslims are muslims just by name. Carry on. I wont continue in this thread.

Im a Qurehi hashimi with 17 generstions of Quranic scholars in my family. I have been taught quran simce i was age 7. My understanding of quran is very different from the Muslims of 2019. Today different.

Yes we all are muslims we all have the right and freedom of our own opinions and choices. salam you do ur best following Mullah's on loud speakers. You guys would take word of a man than words of the creator himself.

You guys think quran came in an alien language that needs to be decoded. While for me the message is very clear and up there. As i pasted from Quran.

I will do what Quran and basic human intelligence sayz. You see we all have a brain and right to use it as we see fit.

Salam peace.

As you wish.
But you also have to see our Prophet and his closest companions as an exemple.
Many things in the Quran that are "difficult" in meanings that are clarified by Our Prophet sayings.
Salam

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

As you wish.
But you also have to see our Prophet and his closest companions as an exemple.
Many things in the Quran that are "difficult" in meanings that are clarified by Our Prophet sayings.
Salam

I don't disagree with that. But they are human history which can be altered by words of men. Quran can't be altered.

First read Quran 2nd match it with stuff u said above. Quran is even above Mohammad PBUH's own words.

 

[HannibalBarca]

I don't disagree with that. But they are human history which can be altered by words of men. Quran can't be altered.

First read Quran 2nd match it with stuff u said above. Quran is even above Mohammad PBUH's own words.

So you are making the hypothesis that Our Prophet "Wifes/marriage" maybe false/not True or that his closest companion "Wifes/marriage" may be false/not True?
As for the Quran, I understand it, as a way to limit "injustice/Taulu", as a warning from ALLAH, to do the best, by fearing Him.

And yes, If you can have one, it's better.

 

[Timur]

Well taking many wives only if you can treat them equally

Yeah that's the requirement of that situation but that fi sebi li sissi imam has another statement

Tell your wife you want

I see someone is troubled with this... She said marry someone who has a lot of money are you now satisfied I got my OK thanks to you

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

So you are making the hypothesis that Our Prophet "Wifes/marriage" maybe false/not True or that his closest companion "Wifes/marriage" may be false/not True?
As for the Quran, I understand it, as a way to limit "injustice/Taulu", as a warning from ALLAH, to do the best, by fearing Him.

And yes, If you can have one, it's better.

Companions of prophet PBUH already had more than 4 wives when islam reached Mohammad PBUH. Many companions had to divorce their wives who had more than 4 . i know few had as many as 32 wives.

It was a pagan idol worshipping arabia. Many companions accepted islam very late. Married ones especially . due to having to leave multiple wives and they didn't want to leave alcohol drinking.

Later when they accepted islam and vecame muslims many divorces their wices and never drank again.

You have to look at people who were younger than marriage age if u want to see true islam.

Look at children of those companions how many did thry marry etc.

The Crestor left the door open for multiple wives for people with special needs or extra ordinary put of normal circumstances.

Anyways we each choose our own path and understanding . i wish all of you people good luck.

When my creator says i won't be able to do justice with more than 1 wife i trust my Creator and wont marry more than one wife at a. Time. Unless there are circumstances where i have to marry another women while my wife is alive well and with me. There are circumstances you know.

Anyways this debate is for face to face talk where i can reason with you and you can reason with me. Not online starting at comouter screens or big tv z