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Early Child Marriage Bill To Be Tabled In NA Soon; Says Dr. Mazari

I already posted videos of awareness that no one seems interested in viewing!
We had a thread about this. But it got derailed quite quickly
I am not talking about Pakistani govt but in general

I was too talking in general and never did i mention the Pakistani government. What i said is true for the Mughals as well as the Brits and post partition Islamic State of Pakistan.
 
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No girl wants to get married at 11 don't be ridiculous and no girl wants to have sex at that age. Get your mind out of the gutter.
I stand by the Islamic rule and every Muslim should be.
And marriage is not just about SEX.
If the girl/boy doesn't want to get married then he/she shouldn't, and can't not be forced to get married, and if both of them have hit puberty they are legal to get married as per our deen.
What this government should do is to make sure that the couple is not enforced into a marriage and not to change the legal age for marriage to 18.
 
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I stand by the Islamic rule and every Muslim should be.
And marriage is not just about SEX.
If the girl/boy doesn't want to get married then he/she shouldn't, and can't not be forced to get married, and if both of them have hit puberty they are legal to get married as per our deen.
What this government should do is to make sure that the couple is not enforced into a marriage and not to change the legal age for marriage to 18.
Well said!
 
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Well when people are prone to doing crap, the politicians will answer for that if their conscious tells them to make their grave more comfortable then why not?

In the past, this was not needed because Muslims respected Islam and didnt try to do their own way! Now a days, Muslims respect what their ancestors did (underage marriages/ girl is a burden get her married quick and the likes) or want to show a lot (big fancy weddings need to be better than the previous one held in the neighbourhood- competition) or become Westernized (large fancy weddings)
I understand where you are coming from but my worry is general and not specific to this marriage issue. The State ought to be very careful when "legislating" on certain matters especially if the State calls itself Islamic.

My personal feeling is that Dajjal who is the master mind behind Modern Civilization is creating this false dilemma where well meaning Muslims will choose the route where the State decides on Islam....when historically this has never been accepted by the majority of Muslims be they scholars or lay people.

If you watch the discussion from the Wilson Centre on the Asia Bibi matter, they go into general aspects as well.
I, for one, was astonished to find out that when the British were in control over most of the Subcontinent of India, they wanted to administer Islamic Laws for their Muslim subjects, but they found it so hard as the diversity and plurality of legal opinion in just the Hanafi School was so vast and often conflicting even on the same issue....so guess what they did for expediency....they just choose a few opinions on certain matters and made them "Law". And decades down the line Muslims in Pakistan have forgotten the diversity of legal opinions by qualified Scholars and think that whatever opinion was chosen by the British is the only "Law" or the way certain opinions are chosen by the State are the only valid ones.

As Dr Abdal Hakim Murad says, it remains a big challenge to fit appropriately "Islamic law" into the framework of Statutory Law of a Nation State....


The real failure is of the Scholars of the Deen. This is where emphasis should be put on.
 
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My personal feeling is that Dajjal who is the master mind behind Modern Civilization is creating this false dilemma where well meaning Muslims will choose the route where the State decides on Islam....when historically this has never been accepted by the majority of Muslims be they scholars or lay people.
Not necessarily!

State says no to drinking, they drink in hiding/ underground parties...openly if it is elite party...

Heck they dont even listen to science : Science says drinking, smoking is bad ...they still do so!

People who dont listen to reason, wont listen to anything!

If you watch the discussion from the Wilson Centre on the Asia Bibi matter, they go into general aspects as well.
I, for one, was astonished to find out that when the British were in control over most of the Subcontinent of India, they wanted to administer Islamic Laws for their Muslim subjects, but they found it so hard as the diversity and plurality of legal opinion in just the Hanafi School was so vast and often conflicting even on the same issue....so guess what they did for expediency....they just choose a few opinions on certain matters and made them "Law". And decades down the line Muslims in Pakistan have forgotten the diversity of legal opinions by qualified Scholars and think that whatever opinion was chosen by the British is the only "Law" or the way certain opinions are chosen by the State are the only valid ones.
Well British werent such angels! They just chose what suited them/ or how they were able to "control and get favours" rather than "for their subjects".....even something as simple as infrastructure building was done for their own trade not for the common people! This can also be seen in Africa and America where even when they made schools and transportation, they made sure that there was segregation! So it wasnt for the "subjects" as much as for a "feel good" attitude!

As Dr Abdal Hakim Murad says, it remains a big challenge to fit appropriately "Islamic law" into the framework of Statutory Law of a Nation State....
O I assure you there is no BIG challenge...ANYONE saying so disagrees that Islam is for the whole world and for entirety!

When the base is the same, 1 god, Final messenger, manners (table manners, right of neighbor, and the like is all same) work on that!

But instead of working on similarities, people want to dwell on the differences! When ALLAH will ask you about your prayers 1st rather than ask you about the inheritance division in your second cousin's twice removed's case! But people are more interested in other people's problems, problems they never face nor are interested in solving over the real issues!

In every jurisprudence, the law is the same for theft (I am not talking about chopping hands...that has its own bearings), raping, women rights, right of parent and husband....These are common grounds which some radical morons fight over even when there is no differences! So the problem is morons not the laws!

As for specific laws which differ, refer to your Imam...Or like I do, read what the 4 Imams did and take which suits the current example the best. Because every Imam had to improvise CERTAIN times based on the situation!

MOST to LEAD LIFE ESP is present in the Quran, other things like Mauwalid Nabi celebrations, Naat and whatnot is up to the situation! If your country is poor, I am sure ALLAH will not hold it against you to waste resources on LARGE gatherings and lighting! If you are in a Non Muslim country I am sure ALLAH is not pleased with you parking cars like a lunatic for Jummah and offend the non-Muslim locals! In fact the right of the locals comes before your craziness to rush to prayers! Because the 2 extra mins you spend in making sure the non Muslim is not troubled would be rewarded over the 2 mins you didnt spend and made the local's life miserable by blocking his/her car!

So, man is repeatedly told in the QURAN to use the mind for good! To walk in the path of HAQ...all these are signs to use common sense and not to cheat another/ kissi ka haq nai marna! THIS is basics which is common all over Islam...yet we see polluting this strand!

It is how it is.

Religion comes way down the Order when we discuss societal issues regarding civil Partnership
And that is wrong..when people understand that...THEN only we can regulate something! Until then whatever Islam says goes down the drain esp if apni man mani kerni hai!
 
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And that is wrong..when people understand that...THEN only we can regulate something! Until then whatever Islam says goes down the drain esp if apni man mani kerni hai!

Regulating Minimum or Maximum age is the most crudest form of Regulation if human Rights is the sole motivator.

Governance however is a different Ball Game.

Marriage is a Universal fact. The Social need is in Great Detail discussed in almost all of religious scrolls. Let the parliament discuss the scrolls to formulate rules rather than copycat legislation prevalent in socieities we apparently want to emulate
 
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Regulating Minimum or Maximum age is the most crudest form of Regulation if human Rights is the sole motivator.
That is also for protection of our future generation and also as population control method.

Marriage is a Universal fact. The Social need is in Great Detail discussed in almost all of religious scrolls. Let the parliament discuss the scrolls to formulate rules rather than copycat legislation prevalent in socieities we apparently want to emulate
The prob with Pakistan is we have tons of laws but no enforcement! We keep making new ones shocking people when they are on the basis of old ones!
 
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The prob with Pakistan is

That the laws are Not a mirror of populace's understanding of Right or Wrong.

Thus why making Implementation rather next to impossible.

Nobody gets this simple fact.
population control

Is not humans Job.

I believe People born to those who praise control the Population are a threat to humanity in an Ironic Twist.
 
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That the laws are Not a mirror of populace's understanding of Right or Wrong.

Thus why making Implementation rather next to impossible.

Nobody gets this simple fact.
well what exactly is the populace's understanding of right and wrong? They cant even differentiate the 2!

Is not humans Job.

I believe People born to those who praise control the Population are a threat to humanity in an Ironic Twist.
Good to know your belief...However reality dictates the poor land mass known as Pakistan cant take another population explosion!
 
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well what exactly is the populace's understanding of right and wrong? They cant even differentiate the 2!

Crime is universally understood. One does not steal or cheat or kill because he has a problem differentiating them as something frowned by the society. Criminal law colonial in nature fails to provide the punishments for the crimes as understood or largely expected by the populace.


Good to know your belief...However reality dictates the poor land mass known as Pakistan cant take another population explosion!

It is my religious right to be Pro Life.

If resources are shared efficiently Pakistan can provide for population twice its size. It is against human rights that a human feeding its pet bottled water will decide that the other human surviving on toxic water on how much he can reproduce.

Raziq Allah ha !! hukoomat nahi
 
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Crime is universally understood. One does not steal or cheat or kill because he has a problem differentiating them as something frowned by the society. Criminal law colonial in nature fails to provide the punishments for the crimes as understood or largely expected by the populace.
Is it the law or the implementation of it?

It is my religious right to be Pro Life.

If resources are shared efficiently Pakistan can provide for population twice its size. It is against human rights that a human feeding its pet bottled water will decide that the other human surviving on toxic water on how much he can reproduce.

Raziq Allah ha !! hukoomat nahi
Yea but the guy feeding his pet bottled water doesnt even pay tax to support the guy producing more children then he can care for!

Pakistan's exports havent exceeded its imports so until that happens, some sort of regulation is required!
 
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Is it the law or the implementation of it?

The law.

A Law not accepted shall not be implemented but with force and oppression.

Yea but the guy feeding his pet bottled water doesnt even pay tax to support the guy producing more children then he can care for!

Pakistan's exports havent exceeded its imports so until that happens, some sort of regulation is required!

Hix taxes does not feed the other person. Allah does.

As far as producing more than you can care for. I am sorry but that is directly addressed in Quran the holy book of Muslims and Bible which says Be Fruitful and Multiply for Thy Lord provide sustenance to Sand and the Mountains.

The imports have risen because consumerism went unchecked due to lack of legislation. If any regulation is required, it is here and not promoting population control by actively saying Government of Pakistan will only provide social welfare for half of your children. We are not even 10 percent of a socialist state yet fascism has already peaked at 101.
 
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