Early Child Marriage Bill To Be Tabled In NA Soon; Says Dr. Mazari

[Zibago]

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Of course it is my opinion! All of this opinion if you break it down. What the Supreme Court decides is ultimately legal opinion!
What Muftis do when the give a fatwa is a legal opinion.

The opinions of a Multi can only be taken as a recommendation he is not elected nor is he involved in the legal system not does he understand the economical, psychological and physical draw backs of a child marriage?
Have you seen how big women at 13,14 are? Do you think their bodies are ready take on hardship associated with child birth?
Don't speak of the good old days to make a point half the kinds died at delivery stage at that time

But likewise the State is not "Islamically trained" and when she starts making "opinions" that narrow valid diverse legal (Islamic) opinions, it is a bit like a layman imposing his opinion on a specialist

You don't need perfect grip on theology to decide what's best for kids

When you say a vote was decided in the Old Days, I presume you mean pre Colonial India?

Including the part of colonial India our laws are being updated so they are best for kids and people involved not molvis who would rather have children marry at age 9 and birth 30 more kids

How many of the Parliamentarians and Judges in Pakistani State courts have this sort of training before they give their opinions???

If you get time watch this lecture.

They don't need such training to form laws that protect the interests of kids involved don't sugarcoat it child marriage has no positives it is due to that reason why most Pakistanis already marry their daughters at 21-22 the only reason this law was made is to stop the cases that defy this trend like most countries around the world

 

[Zibago]

This is the age we live in and since this govt has come into power we are seeing attempts to counter Allah ta’alas commands - Qadyani’s, promoting population control and now this. For me this is the making of Riasat e Dajjal.

I agree with you and at the same I don’t think kids should be married off before puberty, that’s just wrong.

Why has this govt rejected a plea by Ramesh Kumar, a PTI member to ban alcohol sale in Pakistan???? Isn’t that what you would do if you were making a riasat e madina?

Population control is Qaidiyani conspiracy haha where do you guys come up with such absurd things

 

[Dubious]

If Islam has allowed flexibility in a matter it is dangerous for a State to narrow that flexibility especially when that State is not run by qualified people despite calling itself Islamic.

If that flexibility is not misused, no one would need to regulate it!
Unfortunately it has been misused for a very long time!

Like I said if the a child of 13 attains puberty and then gets married at 18 after finishing high school...she doesnt miss anything by not being married at 13 itself...If anything she gains 5 yrs of extra education or time to reach a higher mental maturity that will benefit her, her family and the society!

For the sake of the future and the society which will see another educated woman leading a household, the age limit is imposed. And this only brings benefits you arguing for the sake of arguing from a narrow pipeline is not valid! Look at the larger picture!

This can provoke a major backlash and cause destability.

It can only cause a backlash from those who wish to destabilize the country. Because having educated mothers is something encouraged in Islam! Seek education as far as China (no gender was mentioned in the hadith). Mothers nurture the future ...how will an uneducated, disgruntle child educate anyone?

Children rights are also presented in Islam. And if mental maturity is not attained, even the Nikkah is not valid!

So anyone against mental maturity needs to identify themselves with another religion! Because for a Nikkah to be valid mental maturity is a MUST and since MANY abuse this, the state has to intervene! And likely so! Like I said the girl will not lose anything byt gain 5 yrs of education and mental maturity! You and others opposing this trying to abuse the right of a child, rights of a girl should be questioned as to what does she lose? Would you marry your 13 yr old daughter?

It is Islamic scholarship who have failed and emphasis should be put on them.

They have failed miserably to explain basics which are similar across all schools of thoughts because they concentrate on fight against the differences!

 

[313ghazi]

No. Just don't.
Puberty is the criteria of marriage, not age.
Islam allows marriage after puberty whichever age it comes.
Because hormones change and urges come.
If a girs physically adult at 11 , she should be allowed marriage if there's a need.
Legally forcing her to wait another 7-8 years is not fair and we will end up like western countries where 13 year olds get pregnant and it's common to see 15 year old mother, but they cannot marry and csnnca get their urges satisfied the appropriate way.

What utter jahiliyat. I wish you were born a woman.

Maturity is puberty? Even physical maturity does not peak at puberty you fools. Puberty is the start of physical maturity. It is the starting point of adulthood, it is not maturity itself.

Also maturity is not physical it is mental too. Why do you pedophiles want to f**k children? Have you seen the physical bodies of 10-11 year old girls? Do you think they are built to be having sex with girwn men at that age?!

Lakh lanat on the mullahs of this country.

 

[Wa Muhammada]

I think this has the

I understand where you are coming from but my worry is general and not specific to this marriage issue. The State ought to be very careful when "legislating" on certain matters especially if the State calls itself Islamic.

My personal feeling is that Dajjal who is the master mind behind Modern Civilization is creating this false dilemma where well meaning Muslims will choose the route where the State decides on Islam....when historically this has never been accepted by the majority of Muslims be they scholars or lay people.

If you watch the discussion from the Wilson Centre on the Asia Bibi matter, they go into general aspects as well.
I, for one, was astonished to find out that when the British were in control over most of the Subcontinent of India, they wanted to administer Islamic Laws for their Muslim subjects, but they found it so hard as the diversity and plurality of legal opinion in just the Hanafi School was so vast and often conflicting even on the same issue....so guess what they did for expediency....they just choose a few opinions on certain matters and made them "Law". And decades down the line Muslims in Pakistan have forgotten the diversity of legal opinions by qualified Scholars and think that whatever opinion was chosen by the British is the only "Law" or the way certain opinions are chosen by the State are the only valid ones.

As Dr Abdal Hakim Murad says, it remains a big challenge to fit appropriately "Islamic law" into the framework of Statutory Law of a Nation State....

The real failure is of the Scholars of the Deen. This is where emphasis should be put on.

I agree with most of your post but where I disagree is where you put the failure on the scholars ....

Since the colonisation and subjugation of the muslim world we’v drifted away from islamic learning and have given more importance to the teachings of western civilisation which are undoubtedly secular. Now we have a situation where the general public and those who are in power and ‘educated’ in western ideology find many Islamic rulings inferior and archaic, ....’how can this fit in with the 21st century?’

Therefore it’s become difficult for the Islamic scholars and legislators to be on the same wavelength...if it wasn’t, we would have banned alcohol sales in this country by now....this is just an example. Look at Egypt where Al Azhar Islamic university is kept in shackles by the govt and it’s the same all over the muslim world. Religion has become state controlled.

http://www.seekerspath.co.uk/questi...is-the-islamic-ruling-on-using-contraception/

 

[TMA]

I think this has the


I agree with most of your post but where I disagree is where you put the failure on the scholars ....

Since the colonisation and subjugation of the muslim world we’v drifted away from islamic learning and have given more importance to the teachings of western civilisation which are undoubtedly secular. Now we have a situation where the general public and those who are in power and ‘educated’ in western ideology find many Islamic rulings inferior and archaic, ....’how can this fit in with the 21st century?’

Therefore it’s become difficult for the Islamic scholars and legislators to be on the same wavelength...if it wasn’t, we would have banned alcohol sales in this country by now....this is just an example. Look at Egypt where Al Azhar Islamic university is kept in shackles by the govt and it’s the same all over the muslim world. Religion has become state controlled.

http://www.seekerspath.co.uk/questi...is-the-islamic-ruling-on-using-contraception/

Irrespective of colonialism which is a great factor....the world of Islamic Scholarship as a whole is shambolic......of course there are exceptions....

 

[Wa Muhammada]

Irrespective of colonialism which is a great factor....the world of Islamic Scholarship as a whole is shambolic......of course there are exceptions....

I used to be an admirer of Shaykh Hamza Yusuf but he’s too involved with the perrennaliasts.

For Islamic Scholarship to flourish you need the right environment and govt also has a role to play in that