DAM BUSTERS . can the PAF do a dam strike ?

[HariPrasad]

and you're worst than me , you pathetic water terrorist @HariPrasad

"worse than".

 

[Smoke]

I think it would be better to invade and take over those area's instead. You would get a pre-made infrastructure!

 

[Osiris]

because we just need to blow few bridges and it will be akhnoor and 1965 again.

Waah ..armchair Journail.

Khoob kahi, you just won entire Kashmir from behind your computer. Wonder why Pakistan army could never accomplish it.

Where as, in real world.


Army changes tack, puts tanks at Akhnoor
Chammb-Jaurian sector saw pitched battles during ’65, ’71 Indo-Pak wars

Ajay Banerjee
New Delhi, September 25

India has reorganised an Army division to hold tanks and armoured vehicles in its arsenal and located it to tackle threats from across the Line of Control (LoC) in the lower parts of Jammu and Kashmir. The division is tasked with countering the threat in the Chammb-Jaurian sector, west of Akhnoor.
The area is of immense strategic importance. During the 1965 and 1971 wars, Pakistan had tried to run its armoured columns through these fertile plains located smack on the LoC in an attempt to cut off India’s access to Kashmir, resulting in pitched tank battles.

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The existing 10th Infantry Division of the Indian Army based at Akhnoor has now been converted into “Rapids” or Reorganised Army Plains Infantry Divisions. It will hold two regiments of tanks (around 100) and another two regiments of mechanised armoured vehicles (100). The Army uses the Russian-built BMP as armoured vehicles.

This will be the first of the series under Army’s Northern Command. The first ones came up at locations under the Western Command in the late 1980s. Former Army Chief General K Sundarji (retd) is credited with the creation of “Rapids”.

Each of “Rapids” also consists of two infantry brigades, artillery elements, a reconnaissance and support battalion, an engineer regiment, a signals regiment and latest surveillance with target acquisition equipment.

On September 1, 1965, the Pakistan army had launched “Operation Grand Slam” to take control of the Akhnoor bridge in a bid to cut off the Nowshera-Rajouri-Poonch area from Jammu. In 1971, the tactic was repeated.

 

[HariPrasad]

The most stupid thing I saw on pdf

Why would you wanna waste water just like that and why would anyone bust the dams

Just capture the territory and the dam + water reservoir is yours

A great idea indeed but suppose India captures the area from where sindu river is flowing then?

Yes it is a strong structure under heavy pressure British destroyed German dam with much less fire power.

They used a totally different technique. They didn't bombed dam. It was a much smaller dam with old technology.

 

[Skull and Bones]

If they bomb one dam, we will open all flood gates of all dams.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

A great idea indeed but suppose India captures the area from where sindu river is flowing then?



They used a totally different technique. They didn't bombed dam. It was a much smaller dam with old technology.

it will mean war with china because it start flowing from china including brahmaputra river.

Waah ..armchair Journail.

Khoob kahi, you just won entire Kashmir from behind your computer. Wonder why Pakistan army could never accomplish it.

Where as, in real world.


Army changes tack, puts tanks at Akhnoor
Chammb-Jaurian sector saw pitched battles during ’65, ’71 Indo-Pak wars

Ajay Banerjee
New Delhi, September 25

India has reorganised an Army division to hold tanks and armoured vehicles in its arsenal and located it to tackle threats from across the Line of Control (LoC) in the lower parts of Jammu and Kashmir. The division is tasked with countering the threat in the Chammb-Jaurian sector, west of Akhnoor.
The area is of immense strategic importance. During the 1965 and 1971 wars, Pakistan had tried to run its armoured columns through these fertile plains located smack on the LoC in an attempt to cut off India’s access to Kashmir, resulting in pitched tank battles.

(Follow The Tribune on Facebook; and Twitter @thetribunechd)
The existing 10th Infantry Division of the Indian Army based at Akhnoor has now been converted into “Rapids” or Reorganised Army Plains Infantry Divisions. It will hold two regiments of tanks (around 100) and another two regiments of mechanised armoured vehicles (100). The Army uses the Russian-built BMP as armoured vehicles.

This will be the first of the series under Army’s Northern Command. The first ones came up at locations under the Western Command in the late 1980s. Former Army Chief General K Sundarji (retd) is credited with the creation of “Rapids”.

Each of “Rapids” also consists of two infantry brigades, artillery elements, a reconnaissance and support battalion, an engineer regiment, a signals regiment and latest surveillance with target acquisition equipment.

On September 1, 1965, the Pakistan army had launched “Operation Grand Slam” to take control of the Akhnoor bridge in a bid to cut off the Nowshera-Rajouri-Poonch area from Jammu. In 1971, the tactic was repeated.

Other side too have tictics according to changing scenaro. We can use misiles to destroy these tank as the terrain dont support tank movement these tanks will be sitting ducks.

 

[Osiris]

it will mean war with china because it start flowing from china including brahmaputra river.


Other side too have tictics according to changing scenaro. We can use misiles to destroy these tank as the terrain dont support tank movement these tanks will be sitting ducks.

At least research before speaking.

Akhnoor is plains. That is why Indian has a RAPID - Reorganized Army Plains Infantry Divisions deployed there, which is basically 2 armored regiments consisting of over 200 amored vehicles and and an entire infantry division permanently stationed there.

1965, Pakistan had 6 to 1 advantage against India in this sector, even then could not capture Akhnoor.

Even to theoretically achieve those kind odds again, Pakistan will need 6 infantry divisions, and 12 armored regiments. Too bad, you only have a total of 19 infantry divisions and 2 armored divisions in total.

Who will defend rest of Pakistan?

 

[Cuirassier]

At least research before speaking.

Akhnoor is plains. That is why Indian has a RAPID - Reorganized Army Plains Infantry Divisions deployed there, which is basically 2 armored regiments consisting of over 200 amored vehicles and and an entire infantry division permanently stationed there.

1965, Pakistan had 6 to 1 advantage against India in this sector, even then could not capture Akhnoor.

Even to theoretically achieve those kind odds again, Pakistan will need 6 infantry divisions, and 12 armored regiments. Too bad, you only have a total of 19 infantry divisions and 2 armored divisions in total.

Who will defend rest of Pakistan?

Pakistan treaded in 23 miles deep from 1st to 5th September, and fell 4 miles short of Akhnoor, the Spearhead unit (13L) was at Devipur when the Op got stalled. The attack didn't fail, rather IA Op Riddle and Nepal diverted the PA war effort.

In 71 this area was guarded by an IA div and even then PA secured till Chhamb with a single division advance.

Now since we have organised our forces into defensive and offensive formations, you won't expect a diversion like in 65, so treading into Akhnoor is very much possible.

The IA 10th RAPID has 124 tanks.

 

[maverick1977]

1.that cruise missile will need to fly at a very precise path

2. the British actually attacked mohne dam from UPSTREAM ( more difficult but more effective )

3. the spin bomb actually exploded at the bottom of the dam to cause max damage , i doubt surface strikes would cripple the structure




get lost .... troll

Very childish response yet again .., attention seeker ...

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

1.that cruise missile will need to fly at a very precise path

2. the British actually attacked mohne dam from UPSTREAM ( more difficult but more effective )

3. the spin bomb actually exploded at the bottom of the dam to cause max damage , i doubt surface strikes would cripple the structure




get lost .... troll

Babur 3 and tomahawk are most precise cruise missiles in the world.

 

[HariSinghNalwa]

A new DAM is also approved on Ravi will completely stop or atleast below 10% the fresh water and will make armoured movement very easy

Centre approves Shahpurkandi Dam project on river Ravi in Punjab
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CHANDIGARH, DECEMBER 07, 2018 00:23 IST
UPDATED: DECEMBER 07, 2018 00:23 IST

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  An official statement said for implementing the project, central assistance of ₹485.38 crore for the irrigation part would be given over five years from 2018-19 to 2022-23.
  
  “Implementation of this project would help in minimising some of the water of the river Ravi which at present is going waste through the Madhopur headworks downstream to Pakistan,” said the statement.
  
  On completion, the project has an irrigation potential of 5,000 hectares in Punjab and 32,173 hectares in Jammu and Kashmir. Punjab would also be able to generate 206 MW of hydro-power, the statement added. The project would be implemented by the Punjab government and would be completed by June 2022.
  
  It may be noted that the Indus Waters Treaty was signed between India and Pakistan in 1960 for sharing of Indus waters. According to the treaty, India got the full rights for utilization of waters of the three eastern Rivers namely Ravi, Beas and Sutlej.
  
  “A bilateral agreement was signed between Punjab and Jammu and Kashmir in January, 1979. As per the agreement, construction of Ranjit Sagar Dam (Thein Dam) and Shahpurkandi Dam was to be taken up by the Punjab government and the dam was commissioned in August 2000,” said the statement.
  

 

[Osiris]

Pakistan treaded in 23 miles deep from 1st to 5th September, and fell 4 miles short of Akhnoor, the Spearhead unit (13L) was at Devipur when the Op got stalled. The attack didn't fail, rather IA Op Riddle and Nepal diverted the PA war effort.

In 71 this area was guarded by an IA div and even then PA secured till Chhamb with a single division advance.

Now since we have organised our forces into defensive and offensive formations, you won't expect a diversion like in 65, so treading into Akhnoor is very much possible.

The IA 10th RAPID has 124 tanks.

In 65, Pakistanis had 6 to 1 advantage.

In 71, it was just a lone infantry division defending the Akhnoor sector. What ever area Pakistan won in the Chamb sector, were allowed to remain with Pakistan, as the area was hardest to defend (areas of more strategic importance in Kargil and Chickens neck were exchanged in return)

Pakistan always had strike and holding corps in its army.

You do not have element of surprise in Akhnoor sector. Going against a well entrenched enemy which has 2 armored regiments, 2 mechanized regiments and 1 infantry division will take a lot of your resources.

While Pakistan is committing major portion of its army in Ahkhnoor, India army can gain a lot of ground in other sectors.

Just like, how in 71, Pakistan gained just 126 Square kilometers Chamb but ended up loosing 3500 Square kilometers in West Pakistan.

Making any gains by Pakistan in Akhnoor sector worthless(also because Akhnoor in not the only lifeline for Kashmir anymore).

 

[Cuirassier]

In 65, Pakistanis had 6 to 1 advantage.

In 71, it was just a lone infantry division defending the Akhnoor sector. What ever area Pakistan won in the Chamb sector, were allowed to remain with Pakistan, as the area was hardest to defend (areas of more strategic importance in Kargil and Chickens neck were exchanged in return)

Pakistan always had strike and holding corps in its army.

You do not have element of surprise in Akhnoor sector. Going against a well entrenched enemy which has 2 armored regiments, 2 mechanized regiments and 1 infantry division will take a lot of your resources.

While Pakistan is committing major portion of its army in Ahkhnoor, India army can gain a lot of ground in other sectors.

Just like, how in 71, Pakistan gained just 126 Square kilometers Chamb but ended up loosing 3500 Square kilometers in West Pakistan.

Making any gains by Pakistan in Akhnoor sector worthless(also because Akhnoor in not the only lifeline for Kashmir anymore).

Most of IA gains were in desert, undefended and the major resistance faced by was Pak Rangers. If they had some worth you'd have gotten better gains at Simla. Pakistan also gained in Sulaimanke, Hussainiwala, Pulkanjri, Kassowal, opp Khalra.

The quote of '6:1' ratio is only applicable for the first day of Op Grand Slam, after which the newly arriving 10th Div HQ from South India reinforced with a brigade. Even then the pressure was such that a whole field artillery regiment had to abandon it's 25pdrs.

In 1965 we had only I Corps, it was running from the Kashmir to Kutch.
XXX Corps was established to get the I Corps rid of defensive duties and make it fully focus on offense after 71.

Strike and Holding Corps concept actually developed after Ex Zarb-e-Momin, thus the increase in Corps numbers and designation of strike and pivot.

In 71 India kept Turtok and Pak kept till west bank of Munawar Tawi. Should be reminded that PA used 23rd Infantry Division to push back the 10th Div.

PA won't be needing to use maximum portion of it's resources, X Corps 19th Div and 8th IABG will be enough for a bridgehead and the rest will be left for the I Corps.

 

[Mustang06]

If they bomb one dam, we will open all flood gates of all dams.

Shhh! Don't let them know the secret!

 

[313ghazi]

Bombing dams (when they are full), is a stupid thing to do.

1. It leads to flooding and thousands of civillian deaths.
2. It causes you the same damage if you live downstream.
3. It will invite the enemy to bomb your dams, which will cause you huge loss of life/logistical nightmare too.