Current status of Indian Russian friendship treaty ?

[Kinshuk]

Hey guys, it is turning out to be a personal war. I guess the thread is derailed.

 

[Mirza Jatt]

since together with PTLDM3 i am the other active russian member i have a right to stand what i feel similarly why do you think that what you know stands for india as a whole you are an individual and there are many indians here who agreed to what i said
dont put your ignorance as the reason to justify your claims

you have all the rights to stand what you think...similarly you have to accept what others think.

so what do you want ?
you want to say russia must nuke anybody who attacks india is it what you are saying?

or you want to say russia -india relations are not close or " people to people"

I think the point has been made very clearly that no one will nuke anybody..and hen did you find me asking that question anyway ??

about people to people interaction...yes, currently thats not happening..i would like to see what PTLDM3 has to say in this...since you keep asking his name.

or you want to pass down your ignorance as the idea of indian mainstream society and what an avg indian thinks

how will you know what an avg russian community thinks because you have nevet met them ,talked to them just made up a fabrication as i said i had internation with indians many times in person and i know how they think , how they act and so on

average Indian thinks really good about Russia and that has been told to you please read my posts..I am talking about the average russian (read my posts again) and I doubt , that they think the same way the Indians tink about them...got it ??

what is your point anyway that india has done a lot for russia is is then when did i deny that i just said nuking is a baseless thing as india would not do that inacase of russia gets nuked because in simple petty things on world stage india takes neutral stand i drew a parallel to georgia to show what i meant

your citing of georgia example did not make any sense when a guys was simply asking a sinmple question on russia nuking any country if Inida is attacked...I agree that its highly doubtful that any of the country will nuke any other country for a 3rd party,but you dragged georgia which was a different scenario...he never mentioned kargil..hy did you drag georgia ??

your argument is baseless on this parameters and which ever paramets you are talking you mentioned visa rules then backtracked saying you want people to people then again backtracked said its not possible to say about indian avg thinks and vice versa when i said i know in detail again backtracked

I have the same to say about you..you are giving different answers to different question..lol.

guy you just lost it there is no point you are making all your arguments are baseless and false

I agree whatver I say is false....this is what you have got at last.

 

[Moscow]

you have all the rights to stand what you think...similarly you have to accept what others think

thinking and claiming is not same i respect member opinions yet you just cannot drag an country and think whatever you want

about people to people interaction...yes, currently thats not happening.

not thinking speculating ... thinking is based on reality speculation is beyond reality i showed you on what parameters its not happening you still cant say

average Indian thinks really good about Russia and that has been told to you please read my posts..I am talking about the average russian (read my posts again) and I doubt , that they think the same way the Indians tink about them...got it ??

i know as i have been and interacted personally with avg indians had food with thme stayed together so believe me i know i dont need a certificate and an avg russian dosent think so what led you to believe that where are your facts?

your citing of georgia example did not make any sense when a guys was simply asking a sinmple question on russia nuking any country if Inida is attacked.

why not ? russia attacks incase of indian nuking and when russia is into war with the west sponsored georgia then india stays neutral nice question that he was asking must say .....and about kargil war russia was not neutral went all out on international community in favour of india see the difference

 

[aimarraul]

a country will only fight for its' core geopolitical interests。to average russian ,Belorussia is the most friendly country, not india

 

[indian-army]

a country will only fight for its' core geopolitical interests。to average russian ,Belorussia is the most friendly country, not india

ok thts why china showing this much interest in pakistan

 

[Moscow]

a country will only fight for its' core geopolitical interests。to average russian ,Belorussia is the most friendly country, not india

yes thats ethnic more than anything also serbia and other yugoslav colonies in parts belarus is more of a partner.....and true country will only fight for its interests thats the truth
my point was why talk about russia nuking or even expecting that fro russia when you did not even support diplomatically on a smaller conflict involving russia ....
so the nuking though itself is bs

 

[aimarraul]

ok thts why china showing this much interest in pakistan

peaceful border is china's core interest,isn't that what india want? pakistani and chinese consider each other as most friendly country ,this exchange started from the silk road

 

[indian-army]

peaceful border is china's core interest,isn't that what india want?

after sell weapons to other you can surely claim that u want piece

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

peaceful border is china's core interest,isn't that what india want?

Not quite, GOI wants to annex Tibet from China, hence the past annexation of Sikkim, the obsession with "NE" and "Aksai Chin" (both of which are Indigenous Chinese people).

 

[Mirza Jatt]

not thinking speculating ... thinking is based on reality speculation is beyond reality i showed you on what parameters its not happening you still cant say




i know as i have been and interacted personally with avg indians had food with thme stayed together so believe me i know i dont need a certificate and an avg russian dosent think so what led you to believe that where are your facts?

call it thinking or speculation but I feel so because I dont find russian enthusiastic about indian friendship what it used to be in soviet era time..I have some russian friends who accept that the situation in todays Russia is different....might be because of the chnage in the russian system or whatever you might call it
and then ofcourse you have the asian haters (the nazi supportrs in large number is russia,though this I would not consider for this).

why not ? russia attacks incase of indian nuking and when russia is into war with the west sponsored georgia then india stays neutral nice question that he was asking must say .....and about kargil war russia was not neutral went all out on international community in favour of india see the difference

His question was stupid no doubt....but th georgian war was of a diferent nature...and russia actually did not need India..thats why I mentioned kargil..BTW I am still sure if Russia is in a situation where India's support plays a role ...India will support Russia.

BTW @A.V - cant reply..is your pm disabled ??

 

[RAHUL INDIAN]

India and Russia are very good friends.....

Indeed Russia is very good friend of India and has stood with India.
I am really proud of Russia and value their friendship.

India is like a junior brother to Russia. Russia is the big brother.

If india is nuked Russia has the means to attack the other country and finish it out of existence.

Who will attack India most probably China or Pak.

For if China attack India there is very high probability that Russia(and maybe even US) will attack and Nuke China....

Coz if China today nukes India and somehow India is not able to attack back then mosty probably the world will be too afraid of China....and Russia wil take it that the next target could very weill be Russia itlsef in future. So a attack is almost a certainity.

Also as of now the stated Russian doctrine is to use nuclear weapons in case of atack on itself and its allies.

that is the reality. Other then that u could only guess if it will happen or not. Only time will tell.

My money is on Russia nuking China if India is unable to attack back or Giving india the nukes and other stuff and helping India to launch back a strike.
Now in reality both are one and the same thing.... coz China gets nuked back.


Similarly with Pak. If somehow India fails to acheive second strike the above scenario is valid.

Secondly Russia will not have much problem in supporitng India.

Coz all the western world and other world powers will be with India, if any of China or PAK were to nuke India out first.

So basically there will be no opposition to Russia helping India at that time which makeas it a lot easier.

Now to the other side what if Russia is nuked what will India do...??

if China nukes Russia, well no need for India, China will be history in the history books.So there is no way that Russia is nuked by China and Russia is not able to strike back China.

If US nukes Russia, then US also out of existence. Again no chances that Russia will not be able to strike back.

Even if we take a -00.00000000000000001% chance with US that it may happen....

that will be really unfortunate coz India as of now cannot strike US with nukes and cannot eliminate it.

coz in anger even if it did hit one bomb, not only Russia but also India will be wiped out from history books.

India in case US achieves no second strike from Russia(which will never happen but just for acedemic interest), sadly India will not be able to strike back US (but will provide all the help like nukes or other support secretly whatever it could do...)
coz if India did strike US directly, then that will mean the end of both Russia and India.

yes if India someday has the world military power of global depth, and the India of that day is as stronger as US,Russia of today military wise, u will see all the support for Russia from India, including nuking back any other country which nukes Russia/ Supplying nukes annd other related materials to help launch a secobnd attack, if Russia is unable to strike back in second response.(which is impossible)



As of now end this debate, coz as of now the reality is that Russian nuclear doctrine is to reserve the right to nuke any country which attacks its allies. Period.

now this is sufficient enough to stop Pak and China to think of Nuking India, coz first of all India will surely mamage to strike back...its not that u can cripple second strike totally. and even if India somehow cannot manage second strike, with Russia's nuclear doctrine, I dont think it is worth to take the risk of being history in history books.

 

[indian-army]

sorry to say that no country interfere with others problem
rather it is russia, india, pakistan or china .... because every country has its limitation ... we can not say about america .but without any profit they cant even spend a single dollar

so forget that in india and pakistan war russia support india or china support pakistan

this is not practicable because all four country has nukes no one want their peoples life in danger

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

sorry to say that no country interfere with others problem
rather it is russia, india, pakistan or china .... because every country has its limitation ... we can not say about america .but without any profit they cant even spend a single dollar

so forget that in india and pakistan war russia support india or china support pakistan

this is not practicable because all four country has nukes no one want their peoples life in danger

You might want to update your buddy up there...

 

[Iggy]

It utter nonsense that people saying Russia will nuke some country for us..why should they??they are our allies alright..but we are not living in a cold war era..In the end we are our own in the event of war..do you think we will help Russia when a war with China or US broke out??the answer will be no then why should Russia help us??

 

[indian-army]

You might want to update your buddy up there...

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