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[CONFIRMED] 52 Chinese Military Aircraft Patrolling Over Taiwan ROC Sky ! Breaking Another Record

Very unfortunate, US abandon the Tomcats and choosing Super Hornet instead.

If Super Tomcat flying today, it would be a nice friend for J-16.

Both are bad4ss in their own league
Tomcat was a brilliant design no doubt. A modernized Tomcat would be a 'monster'.


Super Hornet is suitable for providing cover to forces on the ground and at sea. It can also provide cues to long-range cruise missiles to engage designated targets on land and at sea.

Range of Super Hornet is limited so it can help defend geographical spaces like Taiwan or Syria in terms of size. Airborne refueling platforms will be needed to expand operational coverage of Super Hornet above large geographical spaces otherwise.

Airborne refueling platforms are not practical in heavily defended spaces until they can be softened. For example, China have considerable defenses and J-20 will posit significant threat to airborne refueling platforms above and around China due to its LO characteristics and payload capacity.
 
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Taiwan's island so-called military experts wonder why so many PLA aircraft have recently come to patrol near Taiwan, but no one has come to defect? 😂



Can someone answer why? :smokin:

Once the war starts, two things will happen very quickly:

1. High level Taiwan generals will defect to the mainland.

2. The Taiwan generals that don’t defect will wipe out the entire Taiwan leadership (if leaders don’t surrender to mainland themselves) and negotiate with the PLA.

They know it is absolutely suicidal to get into an all out war with the PLA. They want to live on this earth and protect their families from certain death. War with the mainland is a completely suicidal mission.

People’s Liberation Army has been waiting for a long time for revenge. That tiny island will be complete rubble inhabitable for living beings if the PLA decides to go all out.
 
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An Interesting Fact:- "Taiwan has territorial disputes with Pakistan!"

Taiwan does not recognize the adjustment Pakistan and China made regarding their Kashmir borders in 50's. Moreover Taiwan also claims entire Mongolia!

 
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Has the 096 nuclear submarine made significant progress? If 096 is in service and the number of nuclear bombs exceeds 2000. I really don't believe that any country dares to participate in the Taiwan war.
Welcome sanctions against China.
 
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Has the 096 nuclear submarine made significant progress? If 096 is in service and the number of nuclear bombs exceeds 2000. I really don't believe that any country dares to participate in the Taiwan war.
Welcome sanctions against China.

Yup. The nuclear warhead numbers and delivery platforms are the key.

DF-41 (road mobile ICBM)
DF-45 (silo ICBM)
JL-3 (SLBM)
Type 096 SSBN
H-20 strategic stealth bomber
 
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Yup. The nuclear warhead numbers and delivery platforms are the key.

DF-41 (road mobile ICBM)
DF-45 (silo ICBM)
JL-3 (SLBM)
Type 096 SSBN
H-20 strategic stealth bomber
Does any plan exist to utilize the vast HSR network for militarized strategic trains capable of launching nuclear ICBMs?
 
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Does any plan exist to utilize the vast HSR network for militarized strategic trains capable of launching nuclear ICBMs?
NO. If it comes to nuclear war, China will deploy nukes in space. The current deployment options are silos, submarines, truck mobility, stealth bombers and stealth cruise missiles. Railway mobility is a bygone era.
 
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Yup. The nuclear warhead numbers and delivery platforms are the key.

DF-41 (road mobile ICBM)
DF-45 (silo ICBM)
JL-3 (SLBM)
Type 096 SSBN
H-20 strategic stealth bomber

China needs to develop more Air-launched ballistic missiles
 
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An Interesting Fact:- "Taiwan has territorial disputes with Pakistan!"

Taiwan does not recognize the adjustment Pakistan and China made regarding their Kashmir borders in 50's. Moreover Taiwan also claims entire Mongolia!

Not anymore.



 
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Indeed.


I hope there is no war; I like both in person.

Taiwan have decent radar coverage. They can detect and track movements of Chinese armed forces around Taiwan but what is the contingency plan when shooting commences? Some of those big ticket items of Taiwan are in danger of being knocked out at an early stage.

Taiwan might have to strike at Chinese military positions including threatening cruise and ballistic missile launchers before the Chinese can take out as many big ticket items as possible. But Taiwan does not have Hsiung Feng IIE cruise missile in large quantities in the present.

China is a military juggernaut with its annual spending on defense exceeding 250 billion USD mark in the present.

Given the geographical proximity of China to Taiwan, the former can strike at Taiwan at leisure and on a frequent basis. China can wear down Taiwanese defenses in the process.

Taiwan does have a challenging geography and some well-dug defensive arrangements. However, Taiwan wasted lot of time in terms of developing its counter-offensive capabilities. China was hard at work on the other hand.

Taiwan is in dire need of a large number of modernized defense systems at earliest but USA is too slow to arm Taiwan; Taiwan will receive PAC-3 MSE systems in 2025. Like seriously?

Taiwan might not have much time, however.

Taiwan's own motivation level for potential war with China is important consideration. If Taiwanese armed forces (and Public) are determined to fight then invasion of Taiwan will be a costly undertaking on the ground. This is unclear however.

Taiwan might be betting on international intervention to counter China if attacked but this is a gamble. If Taiwan show promise in the battlefield then Japan and USA might decide to support Taiwan but this is speculation at this point.

close proximity to Chinese mainland makes Taiwan un- defendable on face of a surprise Chinese attach. Any US taskforce reaction will be a reaction only with limited ability to liberate Taiwan, if China manages to grab control fast. Most of the US punishment on China will be in terms of economic and military actions beyond the first island chain where Chinese navy is incapable to fight at the moment..

If the Taiwanese have the guts to put up a fight against the PLA on land, that will be the perfect opportunity to create a Vietnam scenario for China.. ..

China fighting an insurgency in a hostile environment will provide the perfect popcorn moments for rest of us..
 
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In term of geographical advantage, China is clearly has a huge advantage compared to Taipei. The Isle of Taiwan is small. China can barrage the island with long range artillery or missiles to reach every corner of the island easily. They can also surround the isle with their large number of Frigate and destroyer and create an Aerial denial around the isle. And no Taiwanese F-16 can fly, or else they will be the target of Chinese Surface to Air Missiles.

In term of land military assets, there is no hiding place in Taiwan. There is not enough land for their artillery, tanks, etc to hide from Chinese radar and satellite. So when the war break out, China can destroy all Taiwan's military asset in the first day.

The problem is, there are also a lot of pro China Taiwanese in that isle. Even if DPP win the election, but there are also so many people in Taiwan that pro China, that's why Kuomintang still has their teeth in the island. To capture Taiwan without sacrificing these people is a very tough task for anyone in this world.

And the 2nd problem is how PLA can capture the isle as fast as possible, with great efficiency and low casualty. At least before US and Japan are prepared to help Taiwan against the invasion. If pro DPP Taiwanese has resolve to defend the island to the last blood, it will be a tough battle for China. Because they need only to wait for US and Japanese reinforcement to make the war become more complicated to China.
 
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The CCP probably understands that a full scale war against Republic of China will likely cause a full-scale war with the US, especially when TSMC, Fomasa Plastics, Giant, Foxconn and other Taiwanese copanies stay relevant in the industry. PRC will continue dick around and beat his chests to increase the pressure on ROC, but ulimately won't actually take over the island country with military means. They probably prefer ROC to crumble internally, though.

On the other hand, China's aggressive military incursions will further encourage neighbouring Indo-Pacific countries to form some sort of military alliance against China, so I doubt China has made a strategically sound decision.
 
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If nuclear war is inevitable, this scenario is more effective.

China is completely desperate, has no hope for the future and is ready to accept destruction. He built 40,000 nuclear warheads.
10,000 warheads attack the US
10 000 warheads to attack Europe
10,000 warheads were used to hit Africa, South America, and Australia.
The remaining 10,000 warheads are used to detonate in the air and under the ocean. The aim is to completely destroy the global ecosystem.

Taiwan independence, then the world will end.

Like I said the most effective post-modern means to deliver nukes are:
(1) submarine torpedoes warheads to breach on the shore and detonate on coasts (easy to defend against with torpedo/sub nets, can counter measure with cutters or divers, etc)
(2) hypersonic glide vehicles (can be taken down with EW if not protected enough)
(3) have 1000 air fields with 1M drones who are well-defended from EW with 200000 nuke bombs, launch the 1M very long range high endurance high alt drone in 15 minutes from 1000 airfields, swarm the enemy.
(4) Millions of low tech rockets, high tech ECM, V-2 type intercontinental rockets. With accuracy of 100-1000km swarm the enemy. Both swarming techniques require heat shielding from lasers so laser defenses would take more time and be more difficult. (You would have to do a study on how far HAARP effects missile trajectory to figure out how wide an area to target and if this would work against HAARP defenses - see video below)

We are living in the age of swarms. When Iran was allowed to use BMs against us bases, that was allowed because Washington does not want to reveal ABM systems to Iran or China. And supply cheapo-export unless ADS to Saudis.

Remember you are dealing with usa that cause 10km earthquakes every week in places like Iran. I was on some creepy cia infested forum, I forgot which one, on the day when Iran had the BM attack, and there was an earthquake. The cia-esque trolls were high fiving each other than another 10km usa triggered earthquake hit the Iranian underground nuclear development base. And that there were reports of considerable damage from the "HAARP earthquake" caused by usa weather modification weapons.

Swarms with full defenses against EW attack is the most effective way to deliver nukes. And you don't need each to have a nuke. You simply need to overwhelm the defenses.

If there are no mass laser defenses, then you can have less in swarms as Isreal-Gaza War showed that running out of missiles is a real problem. Once there are laser defenses, you need to have very massive swarms, as lasers pick off your delivery methods every few seconds, so do the calculations.

Ever heard of Martin Sheen, here is Martin Sheen telling the Chinese that ICBMs don't work anymore:

 
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