We've seen many broken promises over the years. Delay is a not uncommon for India. Something they cannot afford to let happen during time of conflict.
Promises by whom media ?... every weapon system is evaluated accordingly and selected only if they are found to perfect and comparable with the best at lower price.... unlike China where its Chinese or Russian if the project fails miserably.
I am talking of a limited scale conflict... no country is willing to sacrifice all has achieved in long wars.. specially not China.
Still doesn't mean they won't be plagued by delays. Regardless, India's ship building industry is already behind.
Thats a thing of future.. we don't know whats going to happen 5 years later when modular construction methods are adopted in Ship Building with Parts coming from Big Private players like L&T.
I was talking about them and their policies being more aggressive than that of the CCP - Not comparing our economic and military mights.
Their policy has been much better.. you'd not want me to open up the 60s policies followed by CCP in China.. or the one Party system.
Japan and South Korea's navies are comparable to that of India if not better. I wouldn't refer to them as being 'weak'. You cannot take any credit nor add anything to it. It was already reported by the media last year. This proves that the west have no doubts of our capabilities to venture out beyond our "coasts". Hence the need for them to meddle in the region and to used Japan as its bulwark.
They are in Japan ever since 1945... when most of China was already under Japanese rule.
I am sure the west also knows the capability of Iran since they are having bases around it.
One cannot take away the fact that China has decades more experience on operating and building nuclear submarines. India is several decades behind in terms of experience already.
As I said earlier the experience you are talking of are on the infamous Xias and Hans class who were mostly at the Dock thanks to the radiation related issues.
Building submarines yes.. but how good against the 1st Indian sub remains to be seen.
Hence it is not wise to send warships out to patrol around your neighbour's coasts.
Apples and oranges don't taste the same. With introduction of new technologies the way we operate and fight will be greatly modified. Your country's experience gained from the 70's will not have the same effect against today's China. We possess a much larger and modern navy. It will be a whole new experience for India.
You don't have much idea on how things work while in a Naval battle.
I don't want to bring out the capabilities of Modern China navy as to lengthen this more.
You shouldn't have used India's mass production capabilities and Vietnam's naval experience as example. Both lack the necessary infrastructures and experience to carry out their tasks adequately.
As was China 10-15 years ago... more so 15 years ago when the US CBVG came near its coast and a Single prowler jammed all the communication and early warning systems in the Nanjing Military region.
Purely media sensationalism coupled with your own personal assumptions.
One can also add a bit of twist to the story by saying that PLAN was calm and experienced not to open fire at IN's planes and ssk for their inexperience and lack of due diligence.
The Su30 incident was leaked by your media.
The submarine incident was clarified by a IN officer.
Besides that there is something called common sense while concluding the information given by media.
No destroyers wants to have planes or Subs near it... no matter which navy.
False assumption.
Should have said overall naval warfare experience with old technologies against smaller foes.
This will not decide anything against China, who possesses a much larger and more advance navy.
India will not have the balls to engage us in the open sea nor will it attack our vessels when docked or operating around the Karachi or Gwadar ports. Pakistan alone is enough to give India a run for its money, let alone handling both Pakistan and China. Indian cannot afford to upset both China and Pakistan fearing for its eastern and north western borders.
There it comes out... No point in continuing a sensible discussion with.
You want to what Indian navy is consult your Naval and specially Pakistan Naval officers.
Great, it means those "PLA peasants and farmers" were much more experienced than the Indian military and they won the war alongside America, Soviet Union, UK and France!
Permanent seat was given as a representation to the world's largest Population and since it was alien to rest of the world for long time... Military word is far-far away... except the USA and the USSR no country was a capable military power.. France and China had just came out of oppression by Axis powers... China more so.
Still doesn't make India anywhere nearer to becoming a true blue water navy.
Thats your thinking IN had the capability from years thanks to the ACs being operated for almost 50+years... however not against powerful navies... but there weren't any either in the IOR except Australia and USN.
Problem here is China are its own "manufacturers", "test drivers" and possesses its own "real time racers". We are good, both at making, and using so to speak. All thanks to the fact that we are a privileged embargoed arms dealer.
At the cost of 2nd or 3rd class weapon systems.. yes true... Have China had the freedom to access to the Latest developments they would've gone for it.
No one said anything about us being true to either. Fact of the matter that we are neither speaks volumes about India. It is neither the "manufacturer", nor the "real time racer".
I sincerely hope that your Navy thinks the same.
We've seen many broken promises over the years. Delay is a not uncommon for India. Something they cannot afford to let happen during time of conflict.
Promises by whom media ?... every weapon system is evaluated accordingly and selected only if they are found to perfect and comparable with the best at lower price.... unlike China where its Chinese or Russian if the project fails miserably.
I am talking of a limited scale conflict... no country is willing to sacrifice all has achieved in long wars.. specially not China.
Still doesn't mean they won't be plagued by delays. Regardless, India's ship building industry is already behind.
Thats a thing of future.. we don't know whats going to happen 5 years later when modular construction methods are adopted in Ship Building with Parts coming from Big Private players like L&T.
I was talking about them and their policies being more aggressive than that of the CCP - Not comparing our economic and military mights.
Their policy has been much better.. you'd not want me to open up the 60s policies followed by CCP in China.. or the one Party system.
Japan and South Korea's navies are comparable to that of India if not better. I wouldn't refer to them as being 'weak'. You cannot take any credit nor add anything to it. It was already reported by the media last year. This proves that the west have no doubts of our capabilities to venture out beyond our "coasts". Hence the need for them to meddle in the region and to used Japan as its bulwark.
They are in Japan ever since 1945... when most of China was already under Japanese rule.
I am sure the west also knows the capability of Iran since they are having bases around it.
One cannot take away the fact that China has decades more experience on operating and building nuclear submarines. India is several decades behind in terms of experience already.
As I said earlier the experience you are talking of are on the infamous Xias and Hans class who were mostly at the Dock thanks to the radiation related issues.
Building submarines yes.. but how good against the 1st Indian sub remains to be seen.
Hence it is not wise to send warships out to patrol around your neighbour's coasts.
Apples and oranges don't taste the same. With introduction of new technologies the way we operate and fight will be greatly modified. Your country's experience gained from the 70's will not have the same effect against today's China. We possess a much larger and modern navy. It will be a whole new experience for India.
You don't have much idea on how things work while in a Naval battle.
I don't want to bring out the capabilities of Modern China navy as to lengthen this more.
You shouldn't have used India's mass production capabilities and Vietnam's naval experience as example. Both lack the necessary infrastructures and experience to carry out their tasks adequately.
As was China 10-15 years ago... more so 15 years ago when the US CBVG came near its coast and a Single prowler jammed all the communication and early warning systems in the Nanjing Military region.
Purely media sensationalism coupled with your own personal assumptions.
One can also add a bit of twist to the story by saying that PLAN was calm and experienced not to open fire at IN's planes and ssk for their inexperience and lack of due diligence.
The Su30 incident was leaked by your media.
The submarine incident was clarified by a IN officer.
Besides that there is something called common sense while concluding the information given by media.
No destroyers wants to have planes or Subs near it... no matter which navy.
False assumption.
Should have said overall naval warfare experience with old technologies against smaller foes.
This will not decide anything against China, who possesses a much larger and more advance navy.
India will not have the balls to engage us in the open sea nor will it attack our vessels when docked or operating around the Karachi or Gwadar ports. Pakistan alone is enough to give India a run for its money, let alone handling both Pakistan and China. Indian cannot afford to upset both China and Pakistan fearing for its eastern and north western borders.
There it comes out... No point in continuing a sensible discussion with.
You want to what Indian navy is consult your Naval and specially Pakistan Naval officers.
Great, it means those "PLA peasants and farmers" were much more experienced than the Indian military and they won the war alongside America, Soviet Union, UK and France!
Permanent seat was given as a representation to the world's largest Population and since it was alien to rest of the world for long time... Military word is far-far away... except the USA and the USSR no country was a capable military power.. France and China had just came out of oppression by Axis powers... China more so.
Still doesn't make India anywhere nearer to becoming a true blue water navy.
Thats your thinking IN had the capability from years thanks to the ACs being operated for almost 50+years... however not against powerful navies... but there weren't any either in the IOR except Australia and USN.
Problem here is China are its own "manufacturers", "test drivers" and possesses its own "real time racers". We are good, both at making, and using so to speak. All thanks to the fact that we are a privileged embargoed arms dealer.
At the cost of 2nd or 3rd class weapon systems.. yes true... Have China had the freedom to access to the Latest developments they would've gone for it.
No one said anything about us being true to either. Fact of the matter that we are neither speaks volumes about India. It is neither the "manufacturer", nor the "real time racer".
I sincerely hope that your Navy thinks the same.
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