Bring Back The Khilafah (RAP)

[KingMamba]

How do you see the acts of Arabs for not supporting the Ottomon Khalifa during first world war.

Traitorous.

 

[XTREME]

Khilafat can be restored as a Union of the Muslim countries.

True! But there must be a single Caliph (head) of that union.

 

[XTREME]

If it was as clear cut as what the Prophet (PBUH) said, what the Koran says & what Islamic traditions said or meant to say then we wouldn't be distributed in so many different sects, my friend !

So True!
But for the sects ...

The Ummah will split up into seventy-three sects
Model Behavior of the Prophet (Kitab Al-Sunnah)
Dawud :: Book 40 : Hadith 4579 Narrated AbuHurayrah:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The Jews were split up into seventy-one or seventy-two sects; and the Christians were split up into seventy one or seventy-two sects; and my community will be split up into seventy-three sects.

Reported by Awf ibn Malik Al Ashja'l:
The Prophet said, "How will you be O Awf when this nation is divided into 73 sects. One sect will be in Paradise and the rest in Hell."
I asked: "When will this be O Messenger of Allah?"
He answered, saying: "When the police increase and slave girls take authority, and when the lambs (weak authorities) sit on the pulpit, and when the Qu'ran is used as flutes and mosques decorated and the spoils of war manipulated, and the obligatory charity becomes an excessive debt, and trust is taken like spoils of war, and religious study is not for the Sake of Allah and when husbands obey their wives, and disobeys his mother, and banishes his father, and the last of this nation curses the beginning of it, and when the tribe is mastered by a deviator, and the leader of the nation is the worst of them and a man is treated generously to avoid his evil. Upon that day it will happen and men will run to Syria to the City of Damascus, which is one of the best cities in Syria that protects them from their enemy ... " I asked: "Will Syria be opened?"
He answered: "Yes, soon then after its opening the trials will start and a dark and dusty trial will come. Trials will follow one another until a man from the Family of my House called the Mahdi comes. If you reach him, follow him and be among those who are guided."(At-Tabarani)

The point being Iqbal, who was head & shoulders, above everyone of his contemporary (or there about) Muslim Intellectuals & perhaps one of the Greatest Minds this part of the Earth produced, read the Koran, read the Hadith, read the traditions & issued an opinion ! I tend to agree with that opinion & it is your prerogative to disagree with it, should you wish to.

Iqbal (RA) was against the dissolution of Ottoman Caliphate;

hashmi bech raha hai abroe din-e-mustafa
khaqo khun mein lut raha hai turkmane khaq khus
usmanioon pe kho-e-gham tuta tu kia gham hai
khun-e-sada hazar anjum se hoti hai sher peda

I wish what Allah wishes & what Rasul Allah (SAW) wished for the Ummah.
Kher!

 

[INDIC]

True! But there must be a single Caliph (head) of that union.

In the subcontinent Muslims were too much angry, there were widespread protest against British under Khilafat movement. But at the same time Arabs never showed any anger towards the deposition of Khalifa. I am amazed what Arabs really thought about their Khalifa, why they preferred Arab nationalism to Caliphate.

 

[XTREME]

In the subcontinent Muslims were too much angry, there were widespread protest against British under Khilafat movement. But at the same time Arabs never showed any anger towards the deposition of Khalifa. I am amazed what Arabs really thought about their Khalifa, why they preferred Arab nationalism to Caliphate.

Not all Arab, the Arab leaders only. So called Khadem e Haram e Shareefen.

 

[INDIC]

Not all Arab, the Arab leaders only. So called Khadem e Haram e Shareefen.

If the Khalifa was deposed, Arabs masses should have made violent protest as we have seen recently during Arab spring but they didn't. They silently supported their leaders idea of Arab nationalism and remained silent when Khalifa was deposed.

 

[XTREME]

The Prophet never 'established' the caliphate..
His successor was nominated in Abu Bakr.. and so and so forth..
your understanding of the basic history then is incorrect.. so is all of those that claim to establish caliphates.
Moreover.. the Prophets nomination had two perspectives..
to maintain religious and political leadership..
Can you guarantee both in any person now?

All these organizations are FLAWED, and misled at the very base of their movement.
They all are looking to establish a political caliphate, where there is not even a religious one.
Without a religious agreement how can you have a political caliphate under Islam?

You are living the fantasy of finding caliphs like the Ashrah Mubashrah..
Get up from your dreams, its not happening..
The best kings we had , who were close to this material.. some of them have their graves near the Nullahs of Lahore.. where no one treads to even offer fatehah to these great men.
When your people are so astray in their religion that they murder and maim in its name at the slightest provocation without even knowing why..
You are have zero basis for a caliphate..
and all those who trying to establish one with the current approach in mind are damned fools.. bigger fools than the likes of Ramses and every fool mentioned in the history books.

You need to reestablish religious understanding..
That is what Iqbal was trying.. and the countless people of knowledge(and not recitation as there are many parrots out today with parroted false sermons) that have followed similar lines of thought.

You cannot establish a caliphate without understanding the Quran for yourself, and learning about the life of the prophet..
for there are many who will claim to have done so before you and you will accept their fishing hook into being mislead.

A Muslim is of the times.. and speaks with the times in mind..
he is not an archaic fool like the many who preach today.. that he would prefer the abacus evn if a calculator was present.
He is one who makes decisions and evolves himself to practice his being in lieu of the times.
The times dont call for a political caliphate when Islam is under attack both internally and externally.. they call for a reinforcing of our beliefs, of our understanding of the Quran and Sunnah..
A caliphate sits on these foundations.. and these foundations today are wrought with decay,termites and rust..

Only idiots build houses on crumbling foundations...and as a Muslims..I pray not to be counted among idiots on the day of judgement.

I think you didn't get me... How could we have the people like Khulfa e Rashideen. Definitely when people will learn & follow the deen of Rasul Allah (SAW).

The role model of Caliphate was first followed by Prophet Dawud (AS).

But you have rejected that previous quoted hadith of Israel tribes and Caliphs.

Listen to this, the sanad of hadith;

Al-Habbab Ibn ul-Munthir (RA) said, at the wisaal of Prophet Muhammad (SAW);

Let there be one Amir from us and one Amir from you (meaning one from the Ansar and one from the Mohajireen).

Upon this Abu Bakr (RA) replied:

It is forbidden for Muslims to have two Amirs (rulers)...

Then he (RA) got up and addressed the Muslims.

It is forbidden for Muslims to have two Amirs for this would cause differences in their affairs and concepts, their unity would be divided and disputes would break out amongst them. The Sunnah would then be abandoned, the bida’a (innovations) would spread and Fitna would grow, and that is in no one’s interests.

The Sahaba agreed to this and selected Abu Bakr (RA) as their first Caliph. Habbab ibn Mundhir (RA) who suggested the idea of two Ameers corrected himself and was the first to give Abu Bakr (RA) the Bay'ah.

Ali ibn Abi Talib (RA) was also there and said;

From Nahj-ul-Balagha (part 1 page 91) --- reference for Shites from their own book.

People must have an Amir...where the believer works under his Imara (rule) and under which the unbeliever would also benefit, until his rule ended by the end of his life (ajal), the booty (fay’i) would be gathered, the enemy would be fought, the routes would be made safe, the strong one will return what he took from the weak till the tyrant would be contained, and not bother anyone.



And I am not living in a fantasy;

Prophethood will remain with you for as long as Allah wills it to remain, then Allah will raise it up wherever he wills to raise it up. Afterwards, there will be a Caliphate that follows the guidance of Prophethood remaining with you for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then, He will raise it up whenever He wills to raise it up. Afterwards, there will be a reign of violently oppressive rule and it will remain with you for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then, there will be a reign of tyrannical rule and it will remain for as long as Allah wills it to remain. Then, Allah will raise it up whenever He wills to raise it up. Then, there will be a Caliphate that follows the guidance of Prophethood.
— As-Silsilah As-Sahihah, vol. 1, no. 5

Wait for the Allah's will

 

[XTREME]

If the Khalifa was deposed, Arabs masses should have made violent protest as we have seen recently during Arab spring but they didn't. They silently supported their leaders idea of Arab nationalism and remained silent when Khalifa was deposed.

Arab Spring was predicted by Sheikh Imran Hosein in 2003.

 

[XTREME]

Caliphate will remain with the Quraish

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 9.254 Narrated by Ibn Umar (RA)

Allah's Apostle said, "This matter (caliphate) will remain with the Quraish even if only two of them were still existing."

Quraysh is not a small tribe. Muhammad (SAW) is the 11th generation of Fahr (Quraysh).

 

[Mitro]

In the subcontinent Muslims were too much angry, there were widespread protest against British under Khilafat movement. But at the same time Arabs never showed any anger towards the deposition of Khalifa. I am amazed what Arabs really thought about their Khalifa, why they preferred Arab nationalism to Caliphate.

The protestor were brutally surpress and killed it was easy for the regime to control the masses and due to information delay lots of people where not aware and we see arab spring success goes to social media

 

[Mitro]

Quraysh is not a small tribe. Muhammad (SAW) is the 11th generation of Fahr (Quraysh).

Quraysh were very dominian tribe at the time of prophet SAW and will be dominian again in near future and i never said its a small tribe

 

[KingMamba]

In the subcontinent Muslims were too much angry, there were widespread protest against British under Khilafat movement. But at the same time Arabs never showed any anger towards the deposition of Khalifa. I am amazed what Arabs really thought about their Khalifa, why they preferred Arab nationalism to Caliphate.

All Muslims saw how Arab nationalism turned out for them, getting smacked around by the Zionazis and now even some Arabs see how nationalism is wrong (it is haram in Islam for a Muslim to be nationalistic because it can advance racism like how some Arabs today think they are better than all other Muslims so it is discouraged). The Arab leaders turned against the Caliphate not because they did not like the system but because they wanted to be the leaders and did not like the thought of a Turkish Caliph so they always resented the Ottomans. That is why after WWI you saw the Arabs split up their countries and become Kings of their own states because when it come down to it they could not even decide among each other who should lead and instead became kings of their own states (which was encouraged by the British and awarded to them for their support). The Kings of Jordan and Iraq were cousins and Al Saud was handed most of the Arabian Peninsula although he had to take out the Kings of the Hejaz.

 

[punit]

i don't think renaming president to khalifa is going to solve the problem .
because khalifa is the one who take allah law to be supreme and not the law of land or man made law.and in khilafa Sovereignty belongs to allah not the country .

no problem a president cum khalifa can always sharia law in place of man made ones. By the way how will u chose khalifa by votng or some other means. If by votng then whats wrong with a president. If by some other mean then will u/any1 care to elaborate.?

i don't think renaming president to khalifa is going to solve the problem .
because khalifa is the one who take allah law to be supreme and not the law of land or man made law.and in khilafa Sovereignty belongs to allah not the country .

no problem a president cum khalifa can always sharia law in place of man made ones. By the way how will u chose khalifa by votng or some other means. If by votng then whats wrong with a president. If by some other mean then will u/any1 care to elaborate.?

 

[KingMamba]

no problem a president cum khalifa can always sharia law in place of man made ones. By the way how will u chose khalifa by votng or some other means. If by votng then whats wrong with a president. If by some other mean then will u/any1 care to elaborate.?

They are supposed to be voted in and one leader for all Muslims not just all Pakistanis or all Arabs. Also they are supposed to follow a certain criteria set out for them and can be impeached whenever they fail to meet those criteria.

 

[Mitro]

bull ****....make one arab here in pdf say that backstabbing the ottoman "caliphate" was wrong....no...they dont feel bad for fighting for their independence against the ottomans....and moreover as far as i have observed the arabs here dont give a tuppence to these khilafa dreams....its only the people from south asia who keep bringing it..the arabs are more concerned about arab nationalism than anything else...

There are some arabs who are salafi mindset they talk about Khalifa but dont do any thing in their country afraid of the monarchy and they are finance by Saudi ruling family.People from north african country like tunisia,morocco,libya,egypt,palestine,lebanon,pakistan,india,bangladesh,turkey,central asia,sudan,somalia they all know the saying of the prophet PBUH we know its going to happen .