'Bin Laden dead long before US raid'. Osama Died of Disease

[roadrunner]

Yup.. Taliban did the operation.. they replaced both of his kidneys by using state-of-the-art fork spoons and knives.. the operation was a success.. later on chop sticks were used to sew the dissection.. Advanced quality plastic bags were used to do the Plastic surgery and the operation marks were removed.. he used some homemade medicine which included expensive ingredients like cloves, cummin, whole black pepper, parsley and turmeric.. At the later stage, he used water melons to properly seal his kidneys..

Two things. Herbal Viagra and Watermelons. Osambi probably developed this cure for the terminally ill. He never looked so good in his home videos.

The Nobel Prize researchers are all amateurs.

 

[AAtish]

From International point of view, I find the stance of United States not to disclose the video’s of the operation Gernimo not as a dubious act but a calculated opinion considering the following probabilities.

1) Primarily to ensure the operational strategy and capabilities of Navy Seal ‘s Team – 6 are kept hidden and to curtail the exposure of operational weaponry. We have seen a Stealth Hawk being used, a first of its kind in the international operations which found many war strategist dumb struck even in US.

2) Grueling nature of the video, which probably will evoke fanaticism among different terrorist organizations which are currently scattered looking for better safe havens, as a reason to get united once again and start bombing indiscriminately targeting American Citizens or its international assets.

3) It’s imperative based on the rejoiced American citizens after being humiliated, terrorized and grief struck by the act of 9/11, they might use the video to harness or salvage the lost pride and provoke domestic disturbance among various ethnic distribution of international citizens.

4) An act of state shouldn’t be projected as the means of retribution. What United States has done was to build the trust in its people of being able to avenge its perpetrators even at the cost of losing its brave men over the course of decade’s time. But by its not releasing the video’s its pertinent to understand that even at the helm of its current world superiority United States does understand the very fine balance of being able to judge what’s good for its citizens. United States is under no obligation to ascertain what other countries or organizations would think about the operation, nor it has to justify or explain anything to anybody.

nice try.. I would have accepted everything you just said to support USA's claim if there were no discrepancies in "state provided" string of events.. As there have been too many discrepancies in the "state provided story", no body is going to accept whatever they say until SOLID PROOF is provided..

 

[AAtish]

Two things. Herbal Viagra and Watermelons. Osambi probably developed this cure for the terminally ill. He never looked so good in his home videos.

The Nobel Prize researchers are all amateurs.

So true, Sooo true.. out of 5 released videos 1 showed him as 70+ year old.. and the other 4 showed him to be 40-45 years old.. he surely was living a "double" life

 

[harpoon]

- - To prove that 9/11 was an inside job there are evidences as well. And that are not from Muslim World, there are some American officials who say that. You can go on OBL Drama thread and get some. .

Well there is a saying in our place that :
"One can wake up a man who is asleep but not a man who is pretending to be asleep"

Search internet and you can get conspiracy theory relating to any subject- Pearl Harbour, Martians,UFO, Moon Landing, 9/11 and lastly OBL's death. There was a documentary in NAT GEO sometime ago about "Moon Landing Hoax". In the end a professor said that it would have cost much lesser for NASA to actually sent man to moon than fake the whole thing.

If indeed 9/11 was a conspiracy, why Pakistan Govt and your Army are partners in the Afghan War. Are they stupid or you are just too smart to see things 'clearly'.

 

[AAtish]

Well there is a saying in our place that :
"One can wake up a man who is asleep but not a man who is pretending to be asleep"

Search internet and you can get conspiracy theory relating to any subject- Pearl Harbour, Martians,UFO, Moon Landing, 9/11 and lastly OBL's death. There was a documentary in NAT GEO sometime ago about "Moon Landing Hoax". In the end a professor said that it would have cost much lesser for NASA to actually sent man to moon than fake the whole thing.

If indeed 9/11 was a conspiracy, why Pakistan Govt and your Army are partners in the Afghan War. Are they stupid or you are just too smart to see things 'clearly'.

Reading you post, i so much agree to the bold part! do u?

 

[notsuperstitious]

Since OBL's wife / wives have been left behind with Pakistan army, this can either mean

the American story is true

OR

the story is false but the Pakistan army is lying and not telling the truth that would have surely emerged from interrogating OBL's wife / wives.

In either scenario, Pakistan army is lying to Pakistanis, besides using them as cannon fodder where they are too scared to fight themselves. Pity.

Alright i am going to clarify this once and for all.. I am Sick and tired of ignoramus idiots posting the Benazir Video thinking she meant Osama bin Laden when she actually meant Daniel Pearl. Do you ignoramus's even care to do your research?

OMAR SHAIKH WAS THE ONE WHO KILLED DANIEL PEARL. Omar shaikh did NOT Kill Bin Laden.. You tools need to get your facts straight. That was just a Tongue slip by benazir in that interview..

Second of all GOOGLE MULLA OMER SHIEKH yes G O O G L E and learn that he did NOT kill bin laden like benazir said it in this video which was a mistake on her part, she clearly clearly meant Daniel Pearl. You Conspiracy hooligans make me ashamed to be a Pakistani. Stop listening to Hamid effing Gul and stop listening Alex effing Jones.

Well spotted Sir, infact what Benazir is saying in that video is that people linked to Pakistan's security establishment are supporting terrorism, which only further strengthens American version. So let me repeat what a conspiracy terrorist said, Benazir was indeed killed as she feared soon after this video

 

[jha]

'Rogue' elements in ISI, army may have helped Osama: Musharraf

Calling Pakistani intelligence's failure to detect Osama bin Laden's presence in Abbottabad a "massive slip-up," ex-President Pervez Musharraf has admitted that "rogue" members of ISI and military may have helped the al-Qaeda chief hide in plain sight in the garrison city.

Musharraf, who lives in Britain in self-exile, said the "rogue" lower-level members of the powerful ISI and military might have known about bin Laden's location during the last year of his presidency six years ago.

"It's really appalling that he was there and nobody knew. I'm certainly appalled that I didn't know and that intelligence people from that time onward didn't know for six years that he was inside.

"And there is no excuse for this great, massive slip-up. And an investigation is in order and people must be punished for this big lapse," Musharraf told ABC News.

As a policy, the army and ISI are fighting terrorism and extremism, including al-Qaida and Taliban, he said. "But rogue element within is a possibility," he said.

According to the former president, there were three attachment commanders in Abbottabad in the past six years and he could not imagine all three knowing and harbouring bin Laden.

"The possibility as I said, at the lower level, somebody following a policy of his own and violating the policy from above, is a possibility," he was quoted as saying.

Regardless of who knew what, according to Musharraf, was the fact that the US raid was a possible violation of Pakistan's sovereignty and that there was never a deal struck during his tenure to allow the US to make a unilateral attack on Pakistan's soil if bin Laden was found.

While calling the al-Qaida chief's six-year residence in Abbottabad a "big blunder" on the part of Pakistani intelligence, Musharraf warned the United States that if it continues to alienate Pakistan as it did in the bin Laden raid, the US will be the "loser."

"You want to alienate Pakistan, you will be a loser," he was quoted as saying.

'Rogue' elements in ISI, army may have helped Osama: Musharraf - The Times of India

 

[Solomon2]

...no body is going to accept whatever they say until SOLID PROOF is provided..

Do you believe the world is flat just because you can't see that it is round? Are you going to demand that others fly you into orbit to convince you, simply because you mis-use your mind? Why should anybody care about what you think, then?

 

[Mujeeb47]

Osama's daughter says she saw troops killing OBL.

 

[Bratva]

Bin Laden's Family Under House Arrest in Iran
Asharq Al-Awsat Exclusive[/U][/B]

London, Asharq Al-Awsat- Iman Bin Laden, the daughter of Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden, has sought refuge in the Saudi Embassy in Iran after succeeding in escaping Iranian guards watching over her. Iman disclosed in a telephone call to her brother Abdullah who lives in Syria that she and five of her brothers and sisters have been detained by the Iranian authorities since the US invasion of Afghanistan at the end of 2001.

The 29 year old Omar Bin Laden told Asharq Al-Awsat that his sister Iman, five of his brothers and sisters, and his stepmother (Umm-Hamzah) are currently held by the Iranian authorities and appealed to the government in Tehran to release them. Omar, who lives in Qatar, said in a telephone call and an email received by Asharq Al-Awsat" that the Bin Laden family of his first wife Najwa, a Syrian living in Damascus, did not know that her daughter Iman and her other brothers and sisters had been alive all these past years until she contacted her family one month ago. He added that it is the first time since the 9/11 attacks that the whereabouts of his brothers and sisters, the children of Bin Laden, can be definitely ascertained: There are five in Saudi Arabia and three in Syria. He pointed out "we did not know even before four weeks the whereabouts of these brothers and sisters who are Saad who is now 30 years old, Othman who is 25, Fatima who is 22, Hamzah who is 20, Iman who is 17, and Bakr who is 15."

According to Omar, Osama's fourth son who is younger than Abdullah who lives in Saudi Arabia, Abdul-Rahman who lives in Syria with his mother Najwa, and Saad who is detained in Tehran with his other brothers and sisters, Iman contacted her brother Abdullah who asked her to seek refuge in the Saudi Embassy immediately, adding that contacts have been going on since that time to allow her to leave Iran but to no avail. He told Asharq Al-Awsat that his sister "Iman has been living inside the Saudi Embassy for 25 days in a room provided for her by the officials there who welcomed her. We are working to complete the paperwork for allowing her to travel to Saudi Arabia or Syria. It must be said that Syria was generous with my mother and my brother. Two of my brothers are living there."

Fuad Qassas, the Saudi charge d'affaires in Tehran, confirmed to Asharq Al-Awsat that Iman has been in the Saudi Embassy for over 25 days and talked about the "embassy's diplomatic efforts to send her in dignity to her family and relatives." On welcoming her, he said: "This is our duty. She is primarily a Saudi citizen and we offer this duty to any Saudi citizen who comes asking for help."

Omar Bin Laden sent Asharq Al-Awsat photos of his detained brothers and sisters who are held in Tehran and said they have not received any education since their detention in 2001 and want to return to their family in Saudi Arabia or Syria, adding that his sister Iman fled from the guards accompanying her and her stepmother (Umm-Hamzah) Mrs. Khayriyah during a shopping trip. She said the Iranian authorities allowed them out on a shopping trip once every six months.

Bin Laden's son went on to say: "Despite reports that Saad was killed a year and a half ago in the tribal strip in an American missile attack by a drone and that he was involved in terrorist operations, I can confirm the opposite of this." He explained that his mother (Najwa) left her children before the 9/11 attacks when she decided to leave Afghanistan but she is deeply regretting this and crying over the fate of her children she had left behind. He added that he was concerned about his sister's health and mental condition after the failure of all the attempts to let her leave the embassy. He talked about the intervention of Saudi officials to solve the crisis but said their attempts have so far failed because of the tension in the countries' relations.

He pointed out in his telephone interview with Asharq al-Awsat yesterday that it was mere coincidence that made him know the fate of his five brothers and sisters. A young Iranian man let his brother Othman use his cell phone a month ago to contact and tell him that all of them were alive. He said Othman was 17 years old at the time of 9/11 attacks but was able to escort his wife and baby son, his brother Saad and his wife and baby son, and the other brothers and several members of the Arab families to the Iranian borders where they were put up in a residential compound under heavy guard in the capital Tehran. The families were at first separated with the males in a residential annex and the females in a separate remote one. To protect them, they were not allowed to leave the compound at all but were allowed to mix after some time and provided with television sets. The Iranian Government was generous in caring for them and providing them with everything they needed but the Iranian authorities probably did not know what to do with this large group of Arab families who are not wanted by any side. Bin Laden's son reiterated his thanks to the Iranian Government for what it has provided for his brothers and sisters "but now and after eight and a half year, the changes in the situations, and since there are several places where they wish to move so as to be with their families and mothers, we want to reunite the family and need to rally together the efforts by several parties so as to fulfill this dream." He added: "I appeal to the Syrian Government to intervene due to its good relationship with Iran, particularly as my brothers and sisters are innocent and had nothing to do with the others' disputes with our father." He said: "We lived in Afghanistan because it was normal for children to live where their parents lived."

He went to point out that "we wrote to Amnesty International to act for my brothers and sisters, wrote to the United Nations, and corresponded with the Madrid club of 70 heads of state as to intervene for their release. All my brothers and sisters detained in Iran were born in Saudi Arabia. I have today 11 nephews and nieces who were born in Afghanistan or Iran but I have not seen them.

 

[Bratva]

^ That's how Iranian Intelligence know, that OBL died.

 

[Jango]

i think he is dead....but how is he dead and how the US got to him is a very big ocean......the US might have been bargaining or something...who knows..

 

[IFB]

If obama has lied about osamas death then what is stopping someone from alqaeda to rebuff the claim ? some one from that terror group said they will take revenge for osamas death so that seals the deal right there.

 

[Solomon2]

WE have all seen the filmstrip, a bed strewn with pillows, a shelf of cough syrups, a small kerosene stove and of course the bloody floor … the vestige of a final unseen encounter.

Other snips and shreds add to the picture, the young boy who played with the Bin Laden children, the neighbour who saw the comings and goings of the elusive clan, the wife who never left the top floor.

There was another house in Haripur we are told; they had been living there for five years it is asserted. From these fragments, the end of the world’s most wanted man is to be constructed, a man that killed thousands but who instructed his own children to not join Al Qaeda, a man who leered at America for its imperialist sins but unthinkingly condemned Pakistanis to pay for them.

Osama Bin Laden chose a good place to die — a place where truth and history are constructed with imagination and passion nearly always defeats the facts.

Even as Pakistani television channels rant and rave at the lack of official statements on the incident, a public which is used to the manufacture of explanations has already produced what the government cannot. The whole thing was staged, one cadre will tell you, there was no Osama and no killing, they will insist. Where is the body and where is the picture they will question.

Others will present a slightly varied version; more accommodating of the truth, adding elements that would preserve their lifelong faith in the invincibility of the Pakistani military, of the omniscience of its intelligence agencies.

Their version portends that the leadership of both these institutions knew of Osama bin Laden’s presence; some even say that he was delivered to the Americans, that Osama was lured to Abbottabad, the Americans tipped off by our superior sleuthing skills. Pakistanis, they will insist, played a crucial part in delivering to the Americans the victory they had so longed for.

Pakistan’s television hosts and experts, self-appointed oracles benevolently offering the populace a smorgasbord of inspired truths, have by now weighed the value of several of these narratives, adding a bit here, trimming a bit there.

However, contrary to their estimations, it is not the facts of Osama’s death or the question of whether Pakistani authorities were complicit or ignorant that is of crucial importance here. The revelations that emerge lie not in the actualities that elude us but in the fictions that Pakistanis have constructed to explain their absence. If anyone wishes to discern the infamous causes of our decline or the dynamics of our diseased existence, the answers lie in the fictions we have created while scratching our heads and maligning our leaders.

The first of these and the most obvious is the central belief in the gleaming aptitude of our military capabilities. The alternating decades of military rulers, the orderly lawns we can glimpse inside messes, the parade of missiles we like to salute a few times every year have cultivated a belief that the military actually works; that unlike the rest of everything beaten and broken, there are rules, procedures, perhaps even competence.The stories we are making up now, the fact that they probably knew, no they must have known, or yes, they surely did know point to our inability to let go of precisely this myth. The idea that this one institution that has imposed itself on the Pakistani people could also be, like the rest, decrepit and somewhat inept is too formidable a burden to bear, a truth even more indigestible than that of Bin Laden’s unglamorous end.

Our theories expose not simply political and institutional truths, but also social ones. Again and again, the ordinary folk of Abbottabad and Haripur have scratched their heads before television cameras. As one villager in Haripur put it: “We know each other, we go visit one another’s homes … no one can live here and not go unnoticed.”

Such anecdotes, variously worded, are reproduced in a sad cycle, each one poking holes in a disliked reality — that Osama really was there among them or that he was actually killed.

This collective mantra of denial upholds another myth nourished over the decades; that Pakistan is a deeply connected society, that everyone knows their neighbours, that the bonds of community eliminate the possibility of anonymity. But just as the fable of the vanguard all-defeating fighting force has been shaken, so too must the idealised image of a closely bonded community sustained by neighbourly bonds.

The Pakistan that exists, whether it is the village in Haripur, the house in Abbottabad or any old neighbourhood in Karachi or Lahore, has few such idyllic communities. Neighbours are increasingly strangers, everyone has some stash of secrets they would like to preserve, and most just don’t want the burden of neighbourly evaluations. In the Pakistan of today, the desire to be left alone trumps any straggling wish to know or be known.

Conspiracies are constructed when the truth fails, when the narrative arc of reality does not deliver either the drama or the truth that our instincts demand. The account of Osama bin Laden is no different; the fact that he would be living so close to a military installation that he could go undetected and then be summarily eliminated is an assault on Pakistan’s picture of its military and of the people’s account of themselves. And so, in an effort to defeat their own helplessness, Pakistanis will create stories, pushing against the gaps and making them wider, while revelling in the ambiguity that makes alternative beliefs possible.

The burial at sea, the night-time attack, the lack of pictures and the political gains of the Obama administration all becoming instruments in the painstaking efforts to remain faithful to the truth we want rather than the one we have.

The writer is a US-based attorney teaching constitutional law and political philosophy.

rafia.zakaria@gmail.com

 

[CENTCOM]

There is no point on believing the totally SELF-made story by America that they killed Osama in Pakistan....
THERE is not any proof of the presence of osama there still found by independant authority.
Eye witnesses tells the other story too... The biggest move they played to justify their action was that they made Obama to claim that Osama was dead to gain the support of those who believes obama's words. But the truth is "He is a big lier".

Dear readers, is it not reality that Usama Bin Laden (UBL) recent death is a great stride forward in defeating terrorism? Dear readers, is it not fantasy to claim that UBL was not in Pakistan and that he died long ago. Dear readers, while we will never side with Al Qaeda, Taliban and other terrorist organizations, we agree with their confirmation that UBL was recently killed in Pakistan. Those who favor conspiracy theory promoted by a the Iranian government over reality remain unconvinced despite the fact that his family, now in Pakistani custody, confirmed his death and identified his remains, and that DNA tests matched his post mortem remains to those of his family who shared his residence in Abbottabad, Pakistan. His presence there was confirmed by his wife, and Al Qaeda later confirmed his death and threatened revenge. To say that there is no independent confirmation of what our president announced last week is simply not supported by the facts.
In the following link the doctor who conducted postmortem DNA test confirms it was UBL remains:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theloo...bin-laden-pics

Dear readers, how much credit should we give to President Mahmoud Ahmedinajad, a leader who has attempted on numerous occasions to mislead with his statements?

In the following link Mahmoud Ahmadinejad claims that UBL is in Washington:

The fact is that UBL, conspiracy theories aside, is dead, but our fight against Al Qaeda and violent extremists continues.

CDR Bill Speaks,

DET, United States Central Command

U.S. Central Command

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