BBC: India 'provoked Kashmir clash after woman crossed LoC'.
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Kal tak jo Pakistan Media ko gaali dete the, Bikau kehte the, America ke Paison pe palne wale Channels kehte the, Aaj woh usi Pakistan media ko quote kar rahe hain.
we Pakistanis can say whatever we want to our channels, institutions but when it come to India we all are on the same page.
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one word fix this:
The Terrorist Indian Army is comprised of criminals, rapists and murderers!
http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...2-tortured-prisoner-s-body-arrives-india.html
and let us not forget indian attack on our base on 7th Jan!
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Solders probably got drunk and wandered off into the woods, and got mauled by a bear.
That only happens to Pakistanis true story btw one of your militants crossed the LOC and a bear mauled him to death
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Stupid saffron media creates a different story every day, until yesterday these loathing idiots were telling us that IA hasn't confirmed the beheading.....suddenly the same war lords have a change of heart.
Did Pakistanis behead Indian soldiers?
Jammu, Jan 9, 2013, (IANS)
Although the military is not saying it, Indian civilian officials say that Pakistani soldiers killed and slit the throats of two Indian soldiers a day earlier.
A senior administrative official in Poonch told IANS that a group of Pakistani soldiers from 29 Baloch regiment laid an ambush near Sona Gali post close to the Line of Control (LoC).
He said they attacked four Indian soldiers who were moving from one border post to another. "The raiding Pakistani soldiers slit the throats of two Indian soldiers, injured one more and took away the weapons of the victims," the officer told IANS on the condition of anonymity.
The incident happened at about 12.30 p.m. Tuesday in Mendhar sector of Poonch district, about 250 km northwest of Jammu. The Pakistanis are said to have infiltrated into Jammu and Kashmir under the cover of a thick fog in the forested area.
Indian Army sources said the Indian post where the killings took place was just ahead of a barbed wire fence. The army has erected a three-tier fence in Indian territory running along the LOC, which divides Kashmir between India and Pakistan.
The fence is about 500 metres to two kilometres inside Indian territory, and seeks to prevent intrusion from Pakistan. But the army is officially not saying anything on beheading of the Indian soldiers, identified as Lance Naik Hemraj and Lance Naik Sudhakar Singh.
It has been officially stated by the army that one of the bodies of the soldiers was "badly mutilated". But no army official is ready to say what really happened.
Lt. Col. Rajesh Kalia, the Public Relation Officer of the Northern Command headquartered at Udhampur, said in a statement Tuesday evening that there had been "a significant escalation to the continuing series of ceasefire violations" along the LoC.
The statement added that a group of Pakistani soldiers intruded across the LoC taking advantage of a thick fog and mist in the forested area. An Indian military patrol spotted them and engaged the intruders, the gun battle lasting for about half hour after which the intruders retreated.
"Two soldiers ... laid down their lives while fighting the Pak(istani) troops."
The statement added: "This is yet another grave provocation by Pakistan Army which is being taken up sternly through official channels." According to other army sources, the Pakistani troops resorted to heavy firing targeting Indian posts in the Krishnaghati sector in Poonch district Tuesday evening.
The Indian Army hit back but there was no report of any casualty on the Pakistani side. Senior officers of 16 Corps and the Northern Command visited the area for on the spot assessment Wednesday. Review meetings are on.
India and Pakistan have largely observed a ceasefire along the LoC since 2003.
Did Pakistanis behead Indian soldiers?
Did Pakistanis behead Indian soldiers?
Jammu, Jan 9, 2013, (IANS)
Although the military is not saying it, Indian civilian officials say that Pakistani soldiers killed and slit the throats of two Indian soldiers a day earlier.
A senior administrative official in Poonch told IANS that a group of Pakistani soldiers from 29 Baloch regiment laid an ambush near Sona Gali post close to the Line of Control (LoC).
He said they attacked four Indian soldiers who were moving from one border post to another. "The raiding Pakistani soldiers slit the throats of two Indian soldiers, injured one more and took away the weapons of the victims," the officer told IANS on the condition of anonymity.
The incident happened at about 12.30 p.m. Tuesday in Mendhar sector of Poonch district, about 250 km northwest of Jammu. The Pakistanis are said to have infiltrated into Jammu and Kashmir under the cover of a thick fog in the forested area.
Indian Army sources said the Indian post where the killings took place was just ahead of a barbed wire fence. The army has erected a three-tier fence in Indian territory running along the LOC, which divides Kashmir between India and Pakistan.
The fence is about 500 metres to two kilometres inside Indian territory, and seeks to prevent intrusion from Pakistan. But the army is officially not saying anything on beheading of the Indian soldiers, identified as Lance Naik Hemraj and Lance Naik Sudhakar Singh.
It has been officially stated by the army that one of the bodies of the soldiers was "badly mutilated". But no army official is ready to say what really happened.
Lt. Col. Rajesh Kalia, the Public Relation Officer of the Northern Command headquartered at Udhampur, said in a statement Tuesday evening that there had been "a significant escalation to the continuing series of ceasefire violations" along the LoC.
The statement added that a group of Pakistani soldiers intruded across the LoC taking advantage of a thick fog and mist in the forested area. An Indian military patrol spotted them and engaged the intruders, the gun battle lasting for about half hour after which the intruders retreated.
"Two soldiers ... laid down their lives while fighting the Pak(istani) troops."
The statement added: "This is yet another grave provocation by Pakistan Army which is being taken up sternly through official channels." According to other army sources, the Pakistani troops resorted to heavy firing targeting Indian posts in the Krishnaghati sector in Poonch district Tuesday evening.
The Indian Army hit back but there was no report of any casualty on the Pakistani side. Senior officers of 16 Corps and the Northern Command visited the area for on the spot assessment Wednesday. Review meetings are on.
India and Pakistan have largely observed a ceasefire along the LoC since 2003.
Did Pakistanis behead Indian soldiers?
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The body of one of the soldiers was found mutilated in a forested area on the side controlled by India, Rajesh K. Kalia, spokesman for the Indian army's Northern Command, said. However, he denied Indian media reports that one body had been decapitated and another had its throat slit.
India lashes Pakistan after deadly Kashmir encounter - Yahoo! News
India lashes Pakistan after deadly Kashmir encounter - Yahoo! News
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JAMMU, India (Reuters) - India denounced Pakistan on Wednesday over a firefight in the disputed territory of Kashmir in which two Indian soldiers were killed, but the nuclear-armed rivals both appeared determined to prevent the clash escalating into a full diplomatic crisis.
India summoned Pakistan's envoy in New Delhi to lodge a "strong protest", accusing a group of Pakistani soldiers it said had crossed the heavily militarized Line of Control (LoC) in Kashmir of "barbaric and inhuman" behavior.
The body of one of the soldiers was found mutilated in a forested area on the side controlled by India, Rajesh K. Kalia, spokesman for the Indian army's Northern Command, said. However, he denied Indian media reports that one body had been decapitated and another had its throat slit.
"Regular Pakistan troops crossed the Line of Control ... and engaged the Indian troops who were patrolling the sector," India's Ministry of External Affairs said in a statement after Pakistan's high commissioner to India had been called in.
"Two Indian soldiers were killed in the attack and their bodies subjected to barbaric and inhuman mutilation."
India's foreign minister sought to cool tensions, however, saying that exhaustive efforts to improve relations could be squandered if the situation was not contained.
"I think it is important in the long term that what has happened should not be escalated," Salman Khurshid told a news conference. "We cannot and must not allow the escalation of any unwholesome event like this."
"We have to be careful that forces ... attempting to derail all the good work that's been done towards normalization (of relations) should not be successful," he added, without elaborating on who such forces might be.
India lashes Pakistan after deadly Kashmir encounter - Yahoo! News
India summoned Pakistan's envoy in New Delhi to lodge a "strong protest", accusing a group of Pakistani soldiers it said had crossed the heavily militarized Line of Control (LoC) in Kashmir of "barbaric and inhuman" behavior.
The body of one of the soldiers was found mutilated in a forested area on the side controlled by India, Rajesh K. Kalia, spokesman for the Indian army's Northern Command, said. However, he denied Indian media reports that one body had been decapitated and another had its throat slit.
"Regular Pakistan troops crossed the Line of Control ... and engaged the Indian troops who were patrolling the sector," India's Ministry of External Affairs said in a statement after Pakistan's high commissioner to India had been called in.
"Two Indian soldiers were killed in the attack and their bodies subjected to barbaric and inhuman mutilation."
India's foreign minister sought to cool tensions, however, saying that exhaustive efforts to improve relations could be squandered if the situation was not contained.
"I think it is important in the long term that what has happened should not be escalated," Salman Khurshid told a news conference. "We cannot and must not allow the escalation of any unwholesome event like this."
"We have to be careful that forces ... attempting to derail all the good work that's been done towards normalization (of relations) should not be successful," he added, without elaborating on who such forces might be.
India lashes Pakistan after deadly Kashmir encounter - Yahoo! News
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"Two Indian soldiers were killed in the attack and their bodies subjected to barbaric and inhuman mutilation."
Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...orts-beheading-throat-slit.html#ixzz2HaPoS7mx
Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...orts-beheading-throat-slit.html#ixzz2HaPoS7mx
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Indian army denies media reports
NEW DELHI: Indian army's Northern Command denied Indian media reports that one of its soldier’s body had been decapitated and another had its throat slit.
According to the Indian army's Northern Command spokesman Rajesh K. Kalia, the body of one of the soldiers was found in a forested area on the side controlled by India.
On Wednesday, India summoned Pakistan's High Commissioner in New Delhi to lodge a protest over the incident.
Pakistan's foreign ministry denied India's allegations of an incursion as "baseless and unfounded" and said in a statement that it was prepared for an investigation by a UN military observer group into recent ceasefire violations.
Indian army denies media reports - thenews.com.pk
CHEAP PR stunts
*First they don't want third party investigation
*now officially confirmed no beheading as reported by indian media
*Indian Brig.responsible for cease fire violation
next?
the thread is to unviel the indian lie of throat slit and beheading which is confirmed by indian army officially.
NEW DELHI: Indian army's Northern Command denied Indian media reports that one of its soldier’s body had been decapitated and another had its throat slit.
According to the Indian army's Northern Command spokesman Rajesh K. Kalia, the body of one of the soldiers was found in a forested area on the side controlled by India.
On Wednesday, India summoned Pakistan's High Commissioner in New Delhi to lodge a protest over the incident.
Pakistan's foreign ministry denied India's allegations of an incursion as "baseless and unfounded" and said in a statement that it was prepared for an investigation by a UN military observer group into recent ceasefire violations.
Indian army denies media reports - thenews.com.pk
CHEAP PR stunts
*First they don't want third party investigation
*now officially confirmed no beheading as reported by indian media
*Indian Brig.responsible for cease fire violation
next?
the thread is to unviel the indian lie of throat slit and beheading which is confirmed by indian army officially.
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After the killing of pakistani soldier.
Pakistan should either go for third party investigation or cancel any type of investigation and reply with nasr
i hope the revenge for the recent pakistani killing is taken within few hours.
Pakistan should either go for third party investigation or cancel any type of investigation and reply with nasr
i hope the revenge for the recent pakistani killing is taken within few hours.
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India media fuels outrage over beheading, but real story may be more complex - The Washington Post
By Simon Denyer, Thursday, January 10, 11:22 AM
NEW DELHI — The news that two Indian soldiers were killed by their Pakistani counterparts along a disputed border in the Himalayan region of Kashmir turned into a national media outrage this week, after unnamed military sources said one of the dead men’s bodies had been beheaded and his head carried back to Pakistan.
Over menacing music, Indian television news anchors fanned the flames during reportsTuesday, asking: What were India’s options to punish Pakistan? Was there any point in continuing the peace process — or even playing cricket against them?
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With details of the skirmish released just in time for the evening news, the story dominated the prime-time talk shows here as retired Indian generals queued up to take potshots at their old foe. The government spoke of the “barbaric and inhuman mutilation” of the corpses, and denounced the “ghastly” and “dastardly” act.
But the full story of the recent violence along the disputed border in Kashmir may reveal a more complex and less one-sided picture.
For a start, both sides’ armies may have beheaded rival soldiers’ corpses in tit-for-tat exchanges last year, according to a report in the newspaper the Hindu by respected journalist and editor Praveen Swami, who cited highly placed military and government officials as sources.
Tuesday’s attack by Pakistani troops also appears to have come in retaliation for a similar attack by Indian troops a few days before, in which one Pakistani soldier was killed, a senior security official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the media.
Indeed, the tension along this particular stretch of border began in September when a Kashmiri grandmother sneaked across the border to join her sons who were already living on the Pakistani side, the Hindu story said.
Indian troops, concerned about the ease with which the woman seemed to have crossed, started building bunkers around her village to keep a closer eye on residents. Pakistan viewed the construction of the bunkers so close to the frontier as a violation of a cease-fire agreement and tried to stop it from going forward by shelling and firing on the area. In October, three villagers were killed by Pakistani shelling, and on Jan. 6, an Indian brigadier general struck back by ordering the raiding of Pakistani positions, the Hindu report said.
In a statement issued Thursday, the Indian army said “certain aspects” of the Hindu story were incorrect, specifically denying that their troops had crossed the Line of Control on Jan. 6, but instead had carried out “controlled retaliation” to Pakistani violations of the cease-fire. The army also said the grandmother crossed the frontline in September 2011, and denied that incident had any link with recent events.
Amid the outrage, some journalists on both sides of the border took to Twitter on Thursday to ask whether the Indian media had taken things too far.
It’s worrisome & dangerous when Journos are expected to be Nationalists first.Questioning Deep State shouldn’t be branded as anti-national.
India initiated the LoC violations, to which Pak may have responded -- however one needs to read the commentary in both country’s media 1/2 @Omar_quraishi
In one there is muted coverage, in the other there is rally to war - as if the next logical step is a full blown battle --
Pakistani Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar told the Associated Press on Thursday that she was “unpleasantly surprised” by Indian accusations against Pakistan, but she tried to allay fears that the stand-off could escalate.
“Pakistan government and the Pakistani people have demonstrated a deep and abiding commitment to normalize and improve relations with India and to really start a journey of trust-building,” she said, according to the AP report.
State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said the United States was urging both India and Pakistan to “de-escalate” after the recent clashes, and to continue high-level consultations to work through their differences.
“Violence is not the answer for either country,” Nuland said during a news briefing in Washington on Wednesday, AP reported.
India’s frustration with Pakistan is understandable. After all, there is no dispute in global diplomatic and intelligence circles that Pakistan has been sending militants across the border for more than a decade to join an anti-India insurgency in Kashmir. India also says cross-border infiltrations picked up again last year after a lull.
The wounds of the 2008 Mumbai attacks, in which Pakistani militants killed 164 people in India’s commercial capital during athree–day-long siege, also remain fresh.
India summoned the Pakistani ambassador Wednesday to lodge a “strong protest” about the border incident, but India’s foreign minister, Salman Khurshid, told a news conference that it was important not to allow this event to lead to heightened tensions.
However on Thursday, a Pakistan army spokesman said Indian troops had killed another Pakistani soldier in “unprovoked” fire, Reuters news agency reported.
By Simon Denyer, Thursday, January 10, 11:22 AM
NEW DELHI — The news that two Indian soldiers were killed by their Pakistani counterparts along a disputed border in the Himalayan region of Kashmir turned into a national media outrage this week, after unnamed military sources said one of the dead men’s bodies had been beheaded and his head carried back to Pakistan.
Over menacing music, Indian television news anchors fanned the flames during reportsTuesday, asking: What were India’s options to punish Pakistan? Was there any point in continuing the peace process — or even playing cricket against them?
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With details of the skirmish released just in time for the evening news, the story dominated the prime-time talk shows here as retired Indian generals queued up to take potshots at their old foe. The government spoke of the “barbaric and inhuman mutilation” of the corpses, and denounced the “ghastly” and “dastardly” act.
But the full story of the recent violence along the disputed border in Kashmir may reveal a more complex and less one-sided picture.
For a start, both sides’ armies may have beheaded rival soldiers’ corpses in tit-for-tat exchanges last year, according to a report in the newspaper the Hindu by respected journalist and editor Praveen Swami, who cited highly placed military and government officials as sources.
Tuesday’s attack by Pakistani troops also appears to have come in retaliation for a similar attack by Indian troops a few days before, in which one Pakistani soldier was killed, a senior security official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the media.
Indeed, the tension along this particular stretch of border began in September when a Kashmiri grandmother sneaked across the border to join her sons who were already living on the Pakistani side, the Hindu story said.
Indian troops, concerned about the ease with which the woman seemed to have crossed, started building bunkers around her village to keep a closer eye on residents. Pakistan viewed the construction of the bunkers so close to the frontier as a violation of a cease-fire agreement and tried to stop it from going forward by shelling and firing on the area. In October, three villagers were killed by Pakistani shelling, and on Jan. 6, an Indian brigadier general struck back by ordering the raiding of Pakistani positions, the Hindu report said.
In a statement issued Thursday, the Indian army said “certain aspects” of the Hindu story were incorrect, specifically denying that their troops had crossed the Line of Control on Jan. 6, but instead had carried out “controlled retaliation” to Pakistani violations of the cease-fire. The army also said the grandmother crossed the frontline in September 2011, and denied that incident had any link with recent events.
Amid the outrage, some journalists on both sides of the border took to Twitter on Thursday to ask whether the Indian media had taken things too far.
It’s worrisome & dangerous when Journos are expected to be Nationalists first.Questioning Deep State shouldn’t be branded as anti-national.
India initiated the LoC violations, to which Pak may have responded -- however one needs to read the commentary in both country’s media 1/2 @Omar_quraishi
In one there is muted coverage, in the other there is rally to war - as if the next logical step is a full blown battle --
Pakistani Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar told the Associated Press on Thursday that she was “unpleasantly surprised” by Indian accusations against Pakistan, but she tried to allay fears that the stand-off could escalate.
“Pakistan government and the Pakistani people have demonstrated a deep and abiding commitment to normalize and improve relations with India and to really start a journey of trust-building,” she said, according to the AP report.
State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said the United States was urging both India and Pakistan to “de-escalate” after the recent clashes, and to continue high-level consultations to work through their differences.
“Violence is not the answer for either country,” Nuland said during a news briefing in Washington on Wednesday, AP reported.
India’s frustration with Pakistan is understandable. After all, there is no dispute in global diplomatic and intelligence circles that Pakistan has been sending militants across the border for more than a decade to join an anti-India insurgency in Kashmir. India also says cross-border infiltrations picked up again last year after a lull.
The wounds of the 2008 Mumbai attacks, in which Pakistani militants killed 164 people in India’s commercial capital during athree–day-long siege, also remain fresh.
India summoned the Pakistani ambassador Wednesday to lodge a “strong protest” about the border incident, but India’s foreign minister, Salman Khurshid, told a news conference that it was important not to allow this event to lead to heightened tensions.
However on Thursday, a Pakistan army spokesman said Indian troops had killed another Pakistani soldier in “unprovoked” fire, Reuters news agency reported.
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