AVIC Presents FC-31 Stealth Fighter model to Pakistan Air Force Chief.

[danger007]

India expected the T-50 from Russia to be inducted by 2020.......so how is that going?
Pakistan has moved at inducting platforms at lighting speed compared to India. So keep you non-sense out of this. 50 JF-17s is hell a lot better than failed Tejas......how many have they inducted in the 30 year period it has been worked upon?

there is nk such thing called lighting speed when it comes to defence systems especially complicated tech like 5th gen fighter. i responded to his post regarding j 31 over the new delhi sky.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

F-35 has a engine we can only dream about and not to forget it costs 130-150 million a pop.

5th gen fighter with single engine doesnt seem to be a disaster as u were pointing out?

Anyways was that true that we were in design phase for 5th gen fighter with china?

 

[metronome]

I want one too

 

[Kompromat]

5th gen fighter with single engine doesnt seem to be a disaster as u were pointing out?

Anyways was that true that we were in design phase for 5th gen fighter with china?

Single engine = Low payload, low speed, low fuel, if the engine blows out you lost an expensive jet. F-35 is not all that successful, it has its critics.

I don't think the so called J-2X was anything but a proposal.

 

[danger007]

flying over Delhi is not some super natural task ... in any future conflict this will be happening anyway ...

lol... And so Islamabad. .

 

[Shotgunner51]

Indeed. I am well aware of these facts but unfortunately, those savings are not very huge.

These 5th gen aircrafts will come at the cost of some other project, probably a civilian one.

I have said this many times before, there is a price to be payed for non-development. Pakistan will continue to pay that price for some time.

I suppose the budget issue can be always be worked out with special arrangements as @Horus has pointed out, special is the key word. The issue is rather about a paradigm shift from platform-based to netcentric-based warfare, in which all platforms, existing and the ones in pipeline, are rendered as sub-systems and thus have to be managed accurately like clock work. More time, manpower and efforts are needed to deal with enormous complexity of the agenda.

 

[MilSpec]

2020-2022. By that time our defense budget will be in excess of 50 Billion dollars / fiscal cycle (5 year term). My guess is that PAF will seek 36 units to begin with ( 18X2 = 36 = 2 Squadrons ) then depending on its utility might place another order. The best news is that PAF plans to integrate Link-16 and Sensor Fusion developed for J-20 into our JF-17 fleet. In other words they are looking at across the board network centric capabilities backed by our AWACs, AESA ground radars and a multi layered SAM system we are slowly building up. PAF is not focusing on building huge numbers but on having up to 400 advanced jets which are fully capable of fighting as a swarm in a network centric warfare setting. To give you an example the best feature of JAS-39 Gripen-D aka Gripen NG is its netcentricity. A small formation of Gripen -NGs can communicate and share data with each other which allows them to fight as a team against a larger enemy force.

You are saying:
50 billion dollars / fiscal cycle
Op Ex allocation : 62% - 31 Billion dollars for Mil budget
Total Capex Allocation: 19
Airforce Capex Budget: 30% - 5.7 Billion dollars/ year - 2020-22 That is pretty good But:



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+ 2013-14 - $6.3 Billion
+ 2014-15 - $6.3 Billion


In last 15 years you went from 2 billion to 6.3 billion...
But in next 5 years you go from 6.3 Billion to 50 Billion dollars ... if your defination of fiscal cycle (1 budgetary year) is correct.

If you mean 10 Billion / year and 50 billion in 5 years... which is more likely...

then
10 billion / fiscal year
Op ex allocation : 62% - 6.2 Billion
Capex Total: 3.8 Billion
Air Force Capex: 30% : 1.14 Billion Dollars (in 2020)

Now tell me will that suffice for FC31, atleast half a squadron every year......

 

[tahir195]

1) No, J-31 is for customers exports especially Pakistan
2) Yes, same RD-93/33 as our JF-17



Pakistan should purchase F35 more capables until J-31 must complete all the process.

ghatiyatareen aircraft

 

[Reverse Thinker]

PAF should talks with china in same terms as india with french and after getting initial 2 or 3 squardron we should get assembly line in Pakistan of j-31 for future needs with upgradtion facilities.

 

[Kompromat]

5th gen fighter with single engine doesnt seem to be a disaster as u were pointing out?

Anyways was that true that we were in design phase for 5th gen fighter with china?

Single engine = Low payload, low speed, low fuel, if the engine blows out you lost an expensive jet. F-35 is not all that successful, it has its critics.

I don't think the so called J-2X was anything but a proposal.

You are saying:
50 billion dollars / fiscal cycle
Op Ex allocation : 62% - 31 Billion dollars for Mil budget
Total Capex Allocation: 19
Airforce Capex Budget: 30% - 5.7 Billion dollars/ year - 2020-22 That is pretty good But:



View attachment 197594
+ 2013-14 - $6.3 Billion
+ 2014-15 - $6.3 Billion


In last 15 years you went from 2 billion to 6.3 billion...
But in next 5 years you go from 6.3 Billion to 50 Billion dollars ... if your defination of fiscal cycle (1 budgetary year) is correct.

If you mean 10 Billion / year and 50 billion in 5 years... which is more likely...

then
10 billion / fiscal year
Op ex allocation : 62% - 6.2 Billion
Capex Total: 3.8 Billion
Air Force Capex: 30% : 1.14 Billion Dollars (in 2020)

Now tell me will that suffice for FC31, atleast half a squadron every year......

PAF has up to 2020-22 to save up since they are making no new purchase except from JF-17s which already have been funded. With 7 years of strategic budget planning and allocation sum growing every year, acquiring 2 squadrons of FC-31s is not impossible.

 

[MilSpec]

PAF has up to 2020-22 to save up since they are making no new purchase except from JF-17s which already have been funded. With 7 years of strategic budget planning and allocation sum growing every year, acquiring 2 squadrons of FC-31s is not impossible.

You do know Capital Expenditure doesn't work that way .... Budgetary allocation for capital expenditure is always Use it or lose it....I deal with AOP every september... you can take this to the bank

 

[Kompromat]

You do know Capital Expenditure doesn't work that way .... Budgetary allocation for capital expenditure is always Use it or lose it....I deal with AOP every september... you can take this to the bank

I will repeat, PAF has no serious procurement ahead, they will be funded if they require this jet in the future. Tri services cooperate with each other for strategic purchases. The Jordanian Sixteens were paid off by GHQ, the Navy's subs and frigates are paid for partially by Army and PAF. If your argument is taken on board then the Navy with only $950 million should never be able to afford a 6 billion dollar purchase.

 

[Shotgunner51]

You do know Capital Expenditure doesn't work that way .... Budgetary allocation for capital expenditure is always Use it or lose it....I deal with AOP every september... you can take this to the bank

What is the accounting principle of government capital expenditure budget? Is this budgeted as depreciation, or cash outlay?

 

[farhan_9909]

Pakistan Defence budget by 2020=21Billion dollars

 

[banvanaxl]

flying over Delhi is not some super natural task ... in any future conflict this will be happening anyway ...

When you do something like this than talk... everything else is just hot air

Indian MIG 25 flies over Islamabad undetected.


It is understood that in May 1997 an Indian Air Force MiG-25RB overflew Pakistan. The aircraft entered Pakinstani airspace sub-sonically at around 65,000ft and was undetected. Then having overflown and photographed strategic installations near the capital, Islamabad, the

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aircraft turned back towards India. Perhaps to rub Pakistani’s noses in it, the Foxbat pilot decided to accelerate up to Mach 2 and dropped a large sonic boom as he exited Pakistani airspace. A number of Pakistani F-16As were scrambled, but had insufficient time to make an effective intercept. In 1991, India and Pakistan signed the ‘Prevention of Airspace Violations’ agreement, but as is so often the case with international agreements, when it suits one side to ignore them, then that’s exactly what they do.