AVIC Presents FC-31 Stealth Fighter model to Pakistan Air Force Chief.

[duhastmish]

Hey Guys!

First post in PDF, random google search bought me here and and have spent last few hours exploring. I am really amazed by the wealth of information available out here to which most folks i know have no inkling of.

I was just curious about couple of things;

1. I have read in news reports that Rafale jets will cost approx 150 Mil USD to 200 Mil USD with support and ammunition extra that too with Dassault offering India the Jets at the same costing they supply it to French and was wondering that how J-31 being an advanced 5th Gen Fighter with obvious improvements over Rafale has managed to keep its costs down to mere 70 - 80 mil USD.

2. I haven't been able to figure out how J-31 being similar in design (from the pics i have seen) to F-35 compares to Sukhoi T-50 and has there been any indications of cost of export version of Sukhoi t-50.

Congrats for sealing the deal on what looks to be one hell of a jet.

It's Chinese cheaper fifth gen offer: you can't compare it to , j20 or t50 or f35.

Stealth is one feature and looking stealthy is not enough . Engine radar and avionics are not at par with those other jets.

Secondly Chinese have great manufacturing ability they can get the cost down.

Thirdly fc31 is suppose to be low cost fifth gen.

Fourthly don't compare French you pay in euro their stuff is bloody expensive.

Fifth Pakistan doesn't want and don't get offered those f35 or euro jets for soft loan.

It's a good buy for the money and deal offered.

 

[Zarvan]

Mr Li Yuhai Executive Vice President of AVIC presents FC-31 model visiting Pakistani CAS Air Marshal Suhail Aman.

@Rafi - @Windjammer - @Hyperion

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Some cool images of the mock up and CGI.

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Looks good in pictures

 

[Spectre]

It's Chinese cheaper fifth gen offer: you can't compare it to , j20 or t50 or f35.

Stealth is one feature and looking stealthy is not enough . Engine radar and avionics are not at par with those other jets.

Secondly Chinese have great manufacturing ability they can get the cost down.

Thirdly fc31 is suppose to be low cost fifth gen.

Fourthly don't compare French you pay in euro their stuff is bloody expensive.

Fifth Pakistan doesn't want and don't get offered those f35 or euro jets for soft loan.

It's a good buy for the money and deal offered.

Thanks for the reply.

I wasn't inferring that Pakistan should buy Western offerings. Was merely curious as the 5th Gen Tag to Fc31 implies better functionality than 4++ Gen Jet like Rafale however your answer regarding superiority of non stealth features resulting in a higher price makes sense

 

[RAMPAGE]

Bhai, yearly allocation is for 'operational costs'.

So the funds for new hardware come from some black budget?

 

[Donatello]

and the time pigs could fly over the sky...


first let the jet role down and start inducting. . it's been 3 years.. since that time there only 50 Jf 17 in PAF inventory. almost everyone argued there will be 150 to 200 JF 17 will be there by 2016..

India expected the T-50 from Russia to be inducted by 2020.......so how is that going?
Pakistan has moved at inducting platforms at lighting speed compared to India. So keep you non-sense out of this. 50 JF-17s is hell a lot better than failed Tejas......how many have they inducted in the 30 year period it has been worked upon?

 

[Zarvan]

So the funds for new hardware come from some black budget?

I would repeat some one are paying for us

 

[cerberus]

India expected the T-50 from Russia to be inducted by 2020.......so how is that going?

Deal is Going On As planned
Rafale deadlock gives thrust to Russian 5th-gen jet project - The Times of India

 

[Echo_419]

India expected the T-50 from Russia to be inducted by 2020.......so how is that going?
Pakistan has moved at inducting platforms at lighting speed compared to India. So keep you non-sense out of this. 50 JF-17s is hell a lot better than failed Tejas......how many have they inducted in the 30 year period it has been worked upon?

Each year more than 10 Sukhois are being inducted

 

[Kompromat]

So the funds for new hardware come from some black budget?

They are saved up over time. There are two types of procurement models, Strategic and ad hoc. Strategic procurements are high ticket items while ad hoc procurements are items mainly related to operational requirements.

So the funds for new hardware come from some black budget?

There are a few organisations, (which i cant name here) which do get their funds from a black budget.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

@Horus @Najam Khan @Windjammer i heard that we were in design phase of a single engine 5th gen fighter for PAF with CATIC.

Was this true or J31 will be the aircraft we will procure in the end?

 

[Kompromat]

@Horus @Najam Khan @Windjammer i heard that we were in design phase of a single engine 5th gen fighter for PAF with CATIC.

Was this true or J31 will be the aircraft we will procure in the end?

Single engine Stealth aircraft = disaster.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Single engine Stealth aircraft = disaster.

F35?

 

[Kompromat]

F35?

F-35 has a engine we can only dream about and not to forget it costs 130-150 million a pop.

 

[Akasa]

Any idea when the FC-31 prototype will fly, @cirr ?

 

[RAMPAGE]

They are saved up over time. There are two types of procurement models, Strategic and ad hoc. Strategic procurements are high ticket items while ad hoc procurements are items mainly related to operational requirements.



There are a few organisations, (which i cant name here) which do get their funds from a black budget.

Indeed. I am well aware of these facts but unfortunately, those savings are not very huge.

These 5th gen aircrafts will come at the cost of some other project, probably a civilian one.

I have said this many times before, there is a price to be payed for non-development. Pakistan will continue to pay that price for some time.