Australia Scraps Work Visa Programme Used Largely By Indians

[siegecrossbow]

Australia First... Sounds like they are imitating Trump.

 

[Davos]

Sir, please dont try to explain it to them. they wont understand....

they are here for India bashing...
you will soon learn how things work here..

G'day Mate

I don't know why this have anything to do with India or Indian, as I explained before, this visa is abused by everyone, not just Indian, and the need to change this is long overdue, with or without Indian participation in this matter.

I do not generally browse regional section on this forum, so I don't quite understand what kind of "Indian Bashing" going on here like you said.

Thank You

Davos

457 visa will affect all foreigners in Australia but Indians will have problem getting alternative jobs back home in India.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-threatens-quest-to-lower-inequality-in-india
India Has a Big Jobs Problem, and It Could Be Getting Worse

Singapore don't want so many Indians as well and the ruling party suffered losses at the polls mainly due to policies that allowed too many Indian workers aka "foreign talent".
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ian-it-professionals/articleshow/57981840.cms
Singapore blocks visas for Indian IT professionals
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G'day Mate

I think that you have misconstrue the nature of this "abuse" we are talking about in Australia.

Cancelling Subclass 457 does not, again, does not mean the Australian jobs will not goes to the Indian or Chinese or whoever applying for the new subclass 482, the two visas with one distinct difference, that is the prospect of getting permanent residency in Australia

In 457 case, a person (of any nationality) can apply for permanent residence with or without having the need to go thru skill recognition process, which mean that as long as the company can sponsor a worker, you will be able to get permanent residence at the end using the 457 transition. The only different is that 457 with skill employment (require a skill test) took only 2 years and it took 4 years with a non-skilled employment (does not require a skill test), so basically, a cashier of a 7-11 store with no skill at all can apply for permanent residence in just 4 years time

On the other hand, with the new 482 TSS (M) visa, you have to be skilled and sponsored by a valid company to bridge into skill migration stream, because the 457 transition stream are no longer available.

This change have nothing to do with employment opportunities, if any non-Australian wanting to work in 7-11, they can still do it, and can do so with a 2 years 482 TSS (S) visa, but then that just it, that will allow you to keep working in a 7-11 but you do not have a prospect to gain permanent residence in Australia.

Davos

Yep Chinese and Indians seem to abuse this visa a lot but it's about time we did something about it, if you are highly skilled then you can use it.

Have very good English skills etc then it's no problem.

G'day Mate

That is the main point of the change, the 457 visa is messed up, anyone working at any kind of job have a chance to apply for migration and that just not right.

I knew quite a few 457 holder, and only one of them, an American, whom was working hospital administration in Royal North Shore is probably the only legit clause, a few of the other works in a restaurant, a general store, and some aren't actually working at all. These people simply go for new start when their residence come through and didn't really contribute to Australian economy.

Davos

There goes your English requirement
http://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/trav/...g/Pages/482/english-language-proficiency.aspx

Most of Indians will qualify for this. All they will need is their transcripts with a remark that medium of instruction in their college and school was English, which in theory is correct. All books etc are indeed in English.

Character requirement?
All you need is PCC, which in India is a glorified address verification process. You can get it in ONE day if your current address is same as the address on your passport.

Highly Skilled?
Well all one needs is a college degree in engineering. Plentiful among Indians. At most you will need is two years of work experience. Not a problem. Not a problem at all.

Mostly this new visa stream is an eyewash. Only a little more documentation.

G'day Mate

The 2 visas, Subclass 457 and Subclass 482 TSS (S)/(M) are technically the same, but the latter has taken out the permanent residence pathway to stem the abuse from previous 457 visa.

The problem, as I explained before in previous response, is not job taking, but rather applicant can by-pass skill recognition/assessment and gain permanent residence to Australia.

There are 2 type of 457 visas, both leads to permanent residence at the end, either by skill nomination or employer nomination. For the first one, a skilled worker, such as engineers, doctors, can apply for a 2 years 457 visa and at the end of that 2 years, he/she can apply for a skill assessment and uses independent skill migration and gain Australian residence. On the other hand, non-skilled worker, who can apply for a 4 years 457 visa, can also make way to Australian residence by employer nomination, as long as the employer pays guarantee and put 1% of the worker salary in a government "Work Training Fund", he can sponsor a worker that does not require a skill assessment. That is the abuse, not because store like 7-11 like to employ Indian or what not.

Under the new scheme, if you want to come here and work for 7-11, you can still do so with a 482 TSS (S) which will give you a period of 2 years stay and at the end of that visa, you can apply for a new one, but without the prospect of ever gaining residence here. On the other hand, for a engineer or doctor, you can come here and work in a firm or in a hospital with a 482 TSS (M) and at the end of the term and you would like to, you can have you skill assess and apply for the independent/sponsored skill migration program.

But in all, we have enough waiter in a Chinese Restaurant, or Indian cashier for a 7-11 applying residence to which they don't have any positive contribution to Australian economy.

Davos

 

[Tom M]

Delusional Indian here so proud their countrymen go begging for jobs all over the world and migrate the first chance they get.
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Is this the IQ you guys constantly brag about ??? FYI, BEGGING IS SOMETHING DONE BY GUYS WHO DON'T WANT TO DO A JOB. We have an overwhelming number of well qualified workforce fit for the jobs being offered. That's why they get hired after due process of recruitment. And if this is called begging in your tiny spec. You should buy a better dictionary that show hat correct meaning of English words. LOL

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

I am low IQ and very poor, looking to go beg for a job in Gangadesh after they clean up all the shit.
Have you been molested on Indian streets lately?
I sense so much frustration.

In the meantime I scrape by living off collecting rentals.
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You are indeed a low-IQ lowlife, a Pakistani migrant worker! You cannot even string together proper sentences! And don't bother going out anywhere, especially not to Australia or any English speaking country. No one will give you any kind of job.

When were you publically caned last time? Last week right? For sneezing in public? And what happened to your mother? Executed? I heard because someone planted 2 grams of weed on her. Poor soul! Such a fine lady living in a `fine` country.

Rentals? thats the best you have? What kind of rentals? Residential? Commercial? Given that Singapoor's rental yield is near zero (https://frugalinsingapore.com/real-rental-yields-singapore-zero/) you are wasting your money. BTW, if all you got are 4-5 condos to show then you are more pathetic than I thought. Try getting some real assets. Rentals! BTW, the way Aussie are tightening the noose around immigration and real estate, you should be worried about your overpriced condo in Sydney. Prices are cooling there, and if Australia, like Canada, introduces a 'Speculation Tax', say goodbye to any profit from sale of that condo.

 

[sinait]

Is this the IQ you guys constantly brag about ??? FYI, BEGGING IS SOMETHING DONE BY GUYS WHO DON'T WANT TO DO A JOB. We have an overwhelming number of well qualified workforce fit for the jobs being offered. That's why they get hired after due process of recruitment. And if this is called begging in your tiny spec. You should buy a better dictionary that show hat correct meaning of English words. LOL

Go beg jobs elsewhere.
Singapore don't welcome your 3rd rate qualified workforce.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ian-it-professionals/articleshow/57981840.cms
Singapore blocks visas for Indian IT professionals

Not just Singapore, but all of Asean don't want smelly 3rd rate qualified Indians.
https://www.thehindubusinessline.co.../rcep-talks-india-unhappy/article22661235.ece
“There has been some improvement in the fresh offers on services but it is marginal and falls woefully short of the market access India has been seeking,” a person close to the development told BusinessLine. Most of the 15 partner countries of the RCEP, particularly the 10-member ASEAN countries, have not made any substantial offers in Mode 4 related to movement of workers and professionals, despite repeated push by India.

That sounds like begging to me.
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You are indeed a low-IQ lowlife, a Pakistani migrant worker when you cannot string together even proper sentences! And don't bother going out anywhere. No one will give you any kind of job.

When were you publically caned last time? Last week right? For sneezing in public? And what happened to your mother? Executed? I heard because someone planted 2 grams of weed on her. Poor soul! Such a fine lady living in a `fine` country.

Rentals? thats the best you have? What kind of rentals? Residential? Commercial? Given that Singapoor's rental yield is near zero (https://frugalinsingapore.com/real-rental-yields-singapore-zero/) you are wasting your money. BTW, if all you got are 4-5 condos to show then you are more pathetic than I thought. Try getting some real assets. Rentals! BTW, the way Aussie are tightening the noose around immigration and real estate, you should be worried about your overpriced condo in Sydney. Prices are cooling there, and if Australia, like Canada, introduces a 'Speculation Tax', say goodbye to any profit from sale of that condo.

Yeah, they warned me somewhere.
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned
Poor me, going to have to live on subsistence.
Leave my Australian properties worries to me.
You worry where you going to make your next dump in the open.
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[EndangeredSpecies]

G'day Mate

The 2 visas, Subclass 457 and Subclass 482 TSS (S)/(M) are technically the same, but the latter has taken out the permanent residence pathway to stem the abuse from previous 457 visa.

The problem, as I explained before in previous response, is not job taking, but rather applicant can by-pass skill recognition/assessment and gain permanent residence to Australia.

There are 2 type of 457 visas, both leads to permanent residence at the end, either by skill nomination or employer nomination. For the first one, a skilled worker, such as engineers, doctors, can apply for a 2 years 457 visa and at the end of that 2 years, he/she can apply for a skill assessment and uses independent skill migration and gain Australian residence. On the other hand, non-skilled worker, who can apply for a 4 years 457 visa, can also make way to Australian residence by employer nomination, as long as the employer pays guarantee and put 1% of the worker salary in a government "Work Training Fund", he can sponsor a worker that does not require a skill assessment. That is the abuse, not because store like 7-11 like to employ Indian or what not.

Under the new scheme, if you want to come here and work for 7-11, you can still do so with a 482 TSS (S) which will give you a period of 2 years stay and at the end of that visa, you can apply for a new one, but without the prospect of ever gaining residence here. On the other hand, for a engineer or doctor, you can come here and work in a firm or in a hospital with a 482 TSS (M) and at the end of the term and you would like to, you can have you skill assess and apply for the independent/sponsored skill migration program.

But in all, we have enough waiter in a Chinese Restaurant, or Indian cashier for a 7-11 applying residence to which they don't have any positive contribution to Australian economy.

Davos

G'day Mate!

You are absolutely right about regulating the immigration, it seems the intent of the short term visa regime is ensure a steady influx of young and able bodied workers for farm work and likes without leading to a PR and Australian social security system taking responsibility for these folks. I believe it is a fair arrangement, semi-skilled and unskilled jobs in Australia gives you more money than in India and people can use it for seed-funding their own business back home once they come back. I know this is how Reliance, one of India's biggest business was started.

Other option could be, to use that money to earn a degree in Australia or in India and then come back for skilled immigration -- if one is that much hell-bent on it.

Yeah, they warned me somewhere.
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned
Poor me, going to have to live on subsistence.
Leave my Australian properties worries to me.
You worry where you going to make your next dump in the open.

Learn to put together a proper sentence and then talk. Your yapping is annoying.

 

[August is Fun]

@sinait @sinait @sinait
Australia officially cancelled 457 visa program nearly 1 year back.
Last year only 194 Indians recieved 457 type visa (90% reduction)

But even then there was very little impact on Indians in Australia as remittances to India from Australia increased 7.79% last year.

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

Go beg jobs elsewhere.
Singapore don't welcome your 3rd rate qualified workforce.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ian-it-professionals/articleshow/57981840.cms
Singapore blocks visas for Indian IT professionals

*Yawn*

Meanwhile from Japan. So keep your 'Fine' visa to yourself.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ian-it-professionals/articleshow/63220607.cms

Japan to Indian techies rescue: Country wants to recruit 2 lakh IT professionals

BENGALURU: Japan will open up its doors to about two lakh IT professionals from India, and issue green cards to settle down in Japan and support the country's rapidly expanding IT infrastructure, said Shigeki Maeda, Executive Vice President at Japan External Trade Organisation (JETRO), a government body, here on Thursday.

 

[sinait]

@sinait @sinait @sinait
Australia officially cancelled 457 visa program nearly 1 year back.
Last year only 194 Indians recieved 457 type visa (90% reduction)

But even then there was very little impact on Indians in Australia as remittances to India from Australia increased 7.79% last year.

So India is still dependent on remittances.
Sound so 3rd world labor exporting country like the Philippines.
And you were so happy you need to tag me 3 times.
Anyway those figures you quoted with no sources, are they off from your behind?

Singapore don't live off remittances, so I don't get your glee.
Rather we host foreign labor,
i.e we give jobs to poor foreigners from poverty-stricken countries like India.
So pitiful these migrant workers working far from their families and home.

Just wonder why you feel Augusts is fun.
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*Yawn*

Meanwhile from Japan. So keep your 'Fine' visa to yourself.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ian-it-professionals/articleshow/63220607.cms

Japan to Indian techies rescue: Country wants to recruit 2 lakh IT professionals

BENGALURU: Japan will open up its doors to about two lakh IT professionals from India, and issue green cards to settle down in Japan and support the country's rapidly expanding IT infrastructure, said Shigeki Maeda, Executive Vice President at Japan External Trade Organisation (JETRO), a government body, here on Thursday.

Good for India.
India and Japan deserve each other.
Unfortunately India needs many lakhs of jobs more.

Hopefully India 3rd rate qualified professionals don't mess up in Japan.
https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...are-development-jobs-study/article9652211.ece
95% engineers in India unfit for software development jobs: study
Over 36,000 engineering students from IT related branches of over 500 colleges took Automata — a Machine Learning based assessment of software development skills — and over 2/3 could not even write code that compiles.
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[sinait]

Learn to put together a proper sentence and then talk. Your yapping is annoying.

I missed out this interesting part earlier.

I am so glad my sentence is not proper.
I can understand how some like yourself who are still so fond of your legacy of being slaves of the British.
You have learned the language of your British masters so well.
The British shouldn't have left India, there is so much love for them.
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[EndangeredSpecies]

I missed out this interesting part earlier.

I am so glad my sentence is not proper.
I can understand how some like yourself who are still so fond of your legacy of being slaves of the British.
You have learned the language of your British masters so well.
The British shouldn't have left India, there is so much love for them.
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Here is a simple idea: If you think strongly that a certain language is a symbol of slavery or is demeaning to you, stop using it completely, isn't it? By corollary, don't hang around in places where primary means of communication is that language. Having imperfect command over the language that you are using to communicate is a sign of your own incompetence -- Not a sign of your 'Freedom'. If you want to communicate in a language, at least put enough effort to piece together a proper sentence. Not the verbal diarrhea that you are spewing. So there you are, a lazy, incompetent and uneducated old fart.

As far as I am concerned, English is an international language, spoken world over and I will like to have a good competence in it.

Hopefully India 3rd rate qualified professionals don't mess up in Japan.

These "3rd rate professionals" are among the richest migrants in USA. So we are good!

 

[wiseone2]

Get off your high horse.
Indians will get hit the most, no doubt.
And yeah, I somehow get a kick out of it when things happen to the obnoxious Indians.


457 visa will affect all foreigners in Australia but Indians will have problem getting alternative jobs back home in India.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-threatens-quest-to-lower-inequality-in-india
India Has a Big Jobs Problem, and It Could Be Getting Worse

Singapore don't want so many Indians as well and the ruling party suffered losses at the polls mainly due to policies that allowed too many Indian workers aka "foreign talent".
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ian-it-professionals/articleshow/57981840.cms
Singapore blocks visas for Indian IT professionals
.

Do the math dummy.
There are 95000 visa holders - 25% are Indian.
25,000 Indian visa holders out of 1.2 billion people

 

[sinait]

Here is a simple idea: If you think strongly that a certain language is a symbol of slavery or is demeaning to you, stop using it completely, isn't it? By corollary, don't hang around in places where primary means of communication is that language. Having imperfect command over the language that you are using to communicate is a sign of your own incompetence -- Not a sign of your 'Freedom'. If you want to communicate in a language, at least put enough effort to piece together a proper sentence. Not the verbal diarrhea that you are spewing. So there you are, a lazy, incompetent and uneducated old fart.

As far as I am concerned, English is an international language, spoken world over and I will like to have a good competence in it.

These "3rd rate professionals" are among the richest migrants in USA. So we are good!

Congratulations, you are so proud your best are the richest migrants elsewhere and not making India rich.
No wonder after 70 years, India became a shithole and lag far behind even Communist China.

You are right, I learn EnRglish for communication only, not to tout any slave to the British legacy, so I learn just the necessary, nothing exemplary.
Your British masters must be so proud of you, a fine product from the enslaving all of India for 200 years with just 3000 soldiers.
Apparently you understood the improper Singlish I put out, that is enough for me as I do not seek excellence in the colonizer language as you do.
Singaporeans strive to make Singapore rich, not the land of former colonial masters and I refrain from comment on other's proficiency in the colonizer language, i.e the language of your masters.
Its seems the British did an excellent job taming and enslaving the sub continent.
Its not just you, I find many from this slave of the British(and the Mughals) for centuries, would at every opportunity, tout how good they are at their master's language.
I call it Colonial Stockholm Syndrome.
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Do the math dummy.
There are 95000 visa holders - 25% are Indian.
25,000 Indian visa holders out of 1.2 billion people

Sorry, I did not include children and housewives.
Nobody told me as well that Australia is the only place that Indians go beg for jobs.
My bad, I am so bad at maths.

So the rest of the 1.2 billion are still in India busy requesting Bobs and Vegana and merrily go raping.
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[Tom M]

Go beg jobs elsewhere.
Singapore don't welcome your 3rd rate qualified workforce.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ian-it-professionals/articleshow/57981840.cms
Singapore blocks visas for Indian IT professionals

Not just Singapore, but all of Asean don't want smelly 3rd rate qualified Indians.
https://www.thehindubusinessline.co.../rcep-talks-india-unhappy/article22661235.ece
“There has been some improvement in the fresh offers on services but it is marginal and falls woefully short of the market access India has been seeking,” a person close to the development told BusinessLine. Most of the 15 partner countries of the RCEP, particularly the 10-member ASEAN countries, have not made any substantial offers in Mode 4 related to movement of workers and professionals, despite repeated push by India.

That sounds like begging to me.

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Bullshit, I've worked with Philips Lumileds Singapore for many years before shifting my base to Dubai. I bet you can just sit back and dream (read cry) about getting hired in a reputed company like Philips in Singapore with your limited IQ, looser.

 

[sinait]

Bullshit, I've worked with Philips Lumileds Singapore for many years before shifting my base to Dubai. I bet you can just sit back and dream (read cry) about getting hired in a reputed company like Philips in Singapore with your limited IQ, looser.

You are right.
Philips don't want me.
Low IQ me had to slog in my own biz.
Congratulations to this deluded Indian so proud working his pants off for foreign entities on foreign shores.
No wonder Gangadesh is so dilapidated.

I am so envious of you, have the time to loaf around this forum while working in a multinational.
Or is it the cow piss working its magic on you?
I guess I will never find out over the internet.
Swell.
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