Australia Scraps Work Visa Programme Used Largely By Indians

[sinait]

My question still stands. Is pattern solving the method to calculate IQ? Did you even manage to read how they calculated the IQ rather than spouting BS like dumbos? And if IQ cannot be used to gain scientific output why the f*uck would you need high IQ? What the hell is the significance of high IQ?

Also, please go through the list and you can see there are countries where average IQ is below 70, meaning an average person in that country is retarded and mentally disabled. Lol! That is there are 25 countries in the world where an average person is a retard. You know how retarded that sounds like?

Secondly, yes, India has many poor people, but Singapore and China as you claimed cannot be considered poor. Give me any path-breaking research completed and the technology is used all over the world from Singapore China, Taiwan etc... Rather than counting numbers and calling others idiots get a job and settle down. Get over the India obsession. We have enough smartasses to run the country. We don't need help from internet trolls.

You are not so stupid after all.
Yes the IQ test mainly for mathematical and spatial intelligence which the East Asians have more than the Indians.
Most IQ test don't test verbal and language intelligence which the Indians are somewhat better at.
Hence the Indians win in Spelling Bee and are good in verbal arguing contest as is evident here.

If only they include also bragging skills, Indians will surely score high.
Problem is other than politics and lawyers, nation building need more technical people with mathematical and spatial intelligence.
That's why there is a view that South India will develop faster without the North.

Now that China has the money for R&D and the talent, you will see more inventions coming out from China.
You are what they call a frog in a well with a limited view from the bottom of the well.
China have the fastest supercomputer in the world for many years running in addition to others which you can google if it interest you.

Funny you calling your grandfather to get a job.
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[Politico]

You must be One Jealous Guy.
If someone is successful, he is clever in whatever makes him successful.
A clever person will do badly in academia if he is distracted or do not have the proper environment for education.
This is especially so in 3rd world Gangadesh where children had been observed to study under the flyover.
High IQ ones could be addicted to games instead of material or academic achievements.
So a high average IQ of the nation is desirable for a nation to succeed in the world stage.

It seems your knowledge is quite shallow.
Go take a Mensa IQ test.
High average IQ scores of 100 or 105 are actually considered low and most intellectuals will usually score 120 and above.
Problem for Indians is IQ test involve mainly spatial and mathematical intelligence which East Asians excel but are lacking in Indians .

Indians are known more for their IQ in verbal skills which are not included in most IQ test.
Hence Indian dominance in Spelling Bee contests and they are very good at arguing.
Its common knowledge Indians can argue all day and do nothing.

Arguing for the sake of arguing is joy for Indians as is evident in this forum.
This penchant for arguing for sake of arguing and trolling is clearly manifested by your good self.
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You sound more like a person from Pakistan than a person from Singapore. Are you a Pakistani migrant worker perhaps ?

 

[Kompromat]

Great move.

 

[Chhatrapati]

You are not so stupid after all.
Yes the IQ test mainly for mathematical and spatial intelligence which the East Asians have more than the Indians.
Most IQ test don't test verbal and language intelligence which the Indians are somewhat better at.
Hence the Indians win in Spelling Bee and are good in verbal arguing contest as is evident here.

Phew! Man, you are wrong again. The point is the survey took into consideration the general perception and average economic stature. They are testing mathematical ability and spacial skills. I took that survey, it's just repetitive. And the survey doesn't take into account memory skills, cognitive skills.
It doesn't matter if I'm smart or stupid. I have a reputable job nobody is gonna measure my IQ and say you are low IQ, you are fired. Or you have high IQ you are promoted.

If only they include also bragging skills, Indians will surely score high.
Problem is other than politics and lawyers, nation building need more technical people with mathematical and spatial intelligence.
That's why there is a view that South India will develop faster without the North.

South India will develop faster w.r.t North, not because of high IQ but because it's close to one of the busiest international shipping route. The western coast is more developed than the eastern regions.

Now that China has the money for R&D and the talent, you will see more inventions coming out from China.
You are what they call a frog in a well with a limited view from the bottom of the well.
China have the fastest supercomputer in the world for many years running in addition to others which you can google if it interest you.

That's future tense. Let's see if that ever happens. As far as I see, after all these years they are just copying the west.
The only frogs in here are people who have prejudiced and are nothing but brain-dead trolls who go berserk over the name India. But it's kinda fun to watch.

 

[sinait]

Phew! Man, you are wrong again. The point is the survey took into consideration the general perception and average economic stature. They are testing mathematical ability and spacial skills. I took that survey, it's just repetitive. And the survey doesn't take into account memory skills, cognitive skills.
It doesn't matter if I'm smart or stupid. I have a reputable job nobody is gonna measure my IQ and say you are low IQ, you are fired. Or you have high IQ you are promoted.

South India will develop faster w.r.t North, not because of high IQ but because it's close to one of the busiest international shipping route. The western coast is more developed than the eastern regions.

That's future tense. Let's see if that ever happens. As far as I see, after all these years they are just copying the west.
The only frogs in here are people who have prejudiced and are nothing but brain-dead trolls who go berserk over the name India. But it's kinda fun to watch.

South India will develop faster w.r.t North, not because of high IQ but because it's close to one of the busiest international shipping route. The western coast is more developed than the eastern regions.

Not true, I see a lot of Engineers from South India and they are hard working.

Yes I agree memory capacity and cognitive skills are important.
But I don't see Indians being stronger in these than the East Asians.
IQ alone will not guarantee success and there is EQ as well, but they are looking for a co-relation between IQ and the development of nations.

The results are there for all to see, East Asians develop faster than others in Asia.
You may want to ponder over the details and minutiae, but cannot deny the success of the East Asians.
Just watch how fast Vietnam develops.

Yes, after reading all the evil India do to its neighbors and in Kashmir, I somehow get a kick if some bad befall the Indians though in reality I meet a lot of Indians and they help our economy.
Mostly South Indians though.

You should read up how India forcibly annexed all the independent states right after independence and still have the gall to preach freedom and being peace.

1947 Annexation of Kashmir
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/06/indias-shame/
http://thediplomat.com/2015/08/kashmirs-young-rebels/
1947 Annexation of Junagadh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Junagadh
1948 Annexation of Hyderabad
https://www.thequint.com/india/2015/09/17/annexation-of-hyderabad-the-untold-story
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24159594
1949 Annexation of Manipur
http://www.tehelka.com/manipurs-merger-with-india-was-a-forced-annexation/
1949 Annexation of Tripura
http://www.crescent-online.net/2009...-in-india-zawahir-siddique-2316-articles.html
1951 Annexation of South Tibet:
http://kanglaonline.com/2011/06/khathing-the-taking-of-tawang/
http://www.mainstreamweekly.net/article2582.html
1961 Annexation of Goa:
http://goa-invasion-1961.blogspot.in/2013/04/the-dirty-game-played-by-vk-krishna.html
1962 Annexation of Kalapani, Nepal:
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1239348
http://www.sharnoffsglobalviews.com/land-disputes-116/
http://www.eurasiareview.com/07032012-indian-hegemony-in-nepal-oped/

1971 Annexation of Turtuk, Pakistan:
http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/nation/suddenly-indian
1972 Annexation of Tin Bigha, Bangladesh
http://www.dhakatribune.com/op-ed/2014/feb/20/killing-fields
1975 Annexation of Sikkim (the whole country):
http://nepalitimes.com/issue/35/Nation/9621#.UohjPHQo6LA
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1808778.Smash_And_Grab#
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...-was-not-legal-wangchuk-namgyal/1/391498.html
1983 Aborted Attempted to invade Mauritius
http://thediplomat.com/2013/03/when-india-almost-invaded-mauritius/
1990 Failed Attempted to annex Bhutan:
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/10/07/world/india-based-groups-seek-to-disrupt-bhutan.html
2006 Annexation of Duars, Bhutan:
http://wangchasangey.blogspot.in/2015/11/different-kind-of-anxieties-on.html#comment-form
2013 Annexation of Moreh, M260386

1962 Failed Attempt to grab land from China:
http://gregoryclark.net/redif.html
http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/news-events/podcasts/renewed-tension-indiachina-border-whos-blame

Book on Annexation of Sikkim
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[itachii]

Not true, I see a lot of Engineers from South India and they are hard working.

Yes I agree memory capacity and cognitive skills are important.
But I don't see Indians being stronger in these than the East Asians.
IQ alone will not guarantee success and there is EQ as well, but they are looking for a co-relation between IQ and the development of nations.

The results are there for all to see, East Asians develop faster than others in Asia.
You may want to ponder over the details and minutiae, but cannot deny the success of the East Asians.
Just watch how fast Vietnam develops.

Yes, after reading all the evil India do to its neighbors and in Kashmir, I somehow get a kick if some bad befall the Indians though in reality I meet a lot of Indians and they help our economy.
Mostly South Indians though.

You should read up how India forcibly annexed all the independent states right after independence and still have the gall to preach freedom and being peace.

1947 Annexation of Kashmir
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/06/indias-shame/
http://thediplomat.com/2015/08/kashmirs-young-rebels/
1947 Annexation of Junagadh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Junagadh
1948 Annexation of Hyderabad
https://www.thequint.com/india/2015/09/17/annexation-of-hyderabad-the-untold-story
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24159594
1949 Annexation of Manipur
http://www.tehelka.com/manipurs-merger-with-india-was-a-forced-annexation/
1949 Annexation of Tripura
http://www.crescent-online.net/2009...-in-india-zawahir-siddique-2316-articles.html
1951 Annexation of South Tibet:
http://kanglaonline.com/2011/06/khathing-the-taking-of-tawang/
http://www.mainstreamweekly.net/article2582.html
1961 Annexation of Goa:
http://goa-invasion-1961.blogspot.in/2013/04/the-dirty-game-played-by-vk-krishna.html
1962 Annexation of Kalapani, Nepal:
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1239348
http://www.sharnoffsglobalviews.com/land-disputes-116/
http://www.eurasiareview.com/07032012-indian-hegemony-in-nepal-oped/

1971 Annexation of Turtuk, Pakistan:
http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/nation/suddenly-indian
1972 Annexation of Tin Bigha, Bangladesh
http://www.dhakatribune.com/op-ed/2014/feb/20/killing-fields
1975 Annexation of Sikkim (the whole country):
http://nepalitimes.com/issue/35/Nation/9621#.UohjPHQo6LA
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1808778.Smash_And_Grab#
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...-was-not-legal-wangchuk-namgyal/1/391498.html
1983 Aborted Attempted to invade Mauritius
http://thediplomat.com/2013/03/when-india-almost-invaded-mauritius/
1990 Failed Attempted to annex Bhutan:
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/10/07/world/india-based-groups-seek-to-disrupt-bhutan.html
2006 Annexation of Duars, Bhutan:
http://wangchasangey.blogspot.in/2015/11/different-kind-of-anxieties-on.html#comment-form
2013 Annexation of Moreh, M260386

1962 Failed Attempt to grab land from China:
http://gregoryclark.net/redif.html
http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/news-events/podcasts/renewed-tension-indiachina-border-whos-blame

Book on Annexation of Sikkim
.

Annexation of Hyderabad ? BS I say. This id coming from a hyderabadi

 

[Chhatrapati]

Not true, I see a lot of Engineers from South India and they are hard working.

Yes I agree memory capacity and cognitive skills are important.
But I don't see Indians being stronger in these than the East Asians.
IQ alone will not guarantee success and there is EQ as well, but they are looking for a co-relation between IQ and the development of nations.

I'm talking based on facts and figures. Not based on seeing someone working their butts off.
The IQ and economic state has been debunked many times by many members. I don't have to bring it over and over again. I told you the survey itself is stupid. Now you are repeating the same based on the economy and nothing else. And like I have said, countries with a huge population and natural resources will be the next big powers. Smaller countries with limited resources will have to do the extra mile.

The results are there for all to see, East Asians develop faster than others in Asia.
You may want to ponder over the details and minutiae, but cannot deny the success of the East Asians.
Just watch how fast Vietnam develops.

haha so, you are saying Vietnam develops but ignores the fastest growing economy.

Yes, after reading all the evil India do to its neighbors and in Kashmir, I somehow get a kick if some bad befall the Indians though in reality I meet a lot of Indians and they help our economy.
Mostly South Indians though.

You should read up how India forcibly annexed all the independent states right after independence and still have the gall to preach freedom and being peace.

1947 Annexation of Kashmir
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/06/indias-shame/
http://thediplomat.com/2015/08/kashmirs-young-rebels/
1947 Annexation of Junagadh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Junagadh
1948 Annexation of Hyderabad
https://www.thequint.com/india/2015/09/17/annexation-of-hyderabad-the-untold-story
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24159594
1949 Annexation of Manipur
http://www.tehelka.com/manipurs-merger-with-india-was-a-forced-annexation/
1949 Annexation of Tripura
http://www.crescent-online.net/2009...-in-india-zawahir-siddique-2316-articles.html
1951 Annexation of South Tibet:
http://kanglaonline.com/2011/06/khathing-the-taking-of-tawang/
http://www.mainstreamweekly.net/article2582.html
1961 Annexation of Goa:
http://goa-invasion-1961.blogspot.in/2013/04/the-dirty-game-played-by-vk-krishna.html
1962 Annexation of Kalapani, Nepal:
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1239348
http://www.sharnoffsglobalviews.com/land-disputes-116/
http://www.eurasiareview.com/07032012-indian-hegemony-in-nepal-oped/

1971 Annexation of Turtuk, Pakistan:
http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/nation/suddenly-indian
1972 Annexation of Tin Bigha, Bangladesh
http://www.dhakatribune.com/op-ed/2014/feb/20/killing-fields
1975 Annexation of Sikkim (the whole country):
http://nepalitimes.com/issue/35/Nation/9621#.UohjPHQo6LA
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1808778.Smash_And_Grab#
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...-was-not-legal-wangchuk-namgyal/1/391498.html
1983 Aborted Attempted to invade Mauritius
http://thediplomat.com/2013/03/when-india-almost-invaded-mauritius/
1990 Failed Attempted to annex Bhutan:
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/10/07/world/india-based-groups-seek-to-disrupt-bhutan.html
2006 Annexation of Duars, Bhutan:
http://wangchasangey.blogspot.in/2015/11/different-kind-of-anxieties-on.html#comment-form
2013 Annexation of Moreh, M260386

1962 Failed Attempt to grab land from China:
http://gregoryclark.net/redif.html
http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/news-events/podcasts/renewed-tension-indiachina-border-whos-blame

Book on Annexation of Sikkim

That's how smartasses do. Look at this way, we keep all these regions under control. Some countries tried multiple times to take it but couldn't do that. And we keep discussing, it can go on indefinitely. About the news quotes, India invading other countries is a myth. These kinds of article pops up now and then. Nobody gives two hoots.

 

[sinait]

Annexation of Hyderabad ? BS I say. This id coming from a hyderabadi

Why don't you elaborate?
You being from Hyderabad don't mean you know the truth.
Many facts are hidden, just like Henderson Brooks–Bhagat Report is still not released to hide Indian aggression against China in 1961 war.
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[Tom M]

So says the Indian from SUPA POWA who go begging all over the world for jobs.
Well this Indian seems to like working in Singapore very much.
http://www.theindependent.sg/indian...-job-offer-in-singapore-even-if-it-pays-less/
Indian FT tells his countrymen to grab any first job offer in Singapore even if it pays less

Its not just Singapore that abhors more Indian service workers.
https://www.thehindubusinessline.co.../rcep-talks-india-unhappy/article22661235.ece
RCEP talks: India ‘unhappy’ with revised service offers
Most of the 15 partner countries of the RCEP, particularly the 10-member ASEAN countries, have not made any substantial offers in Mode 4 related to movement of workers and professionals, despite repeated push by India.

NOBODY WANTS MORE OF SMELLY OBNOXIOUS INDIANS, GET IT !!!

No worry, Indians will soon overstay their welcome in Japan as they do in the US, Singapore, et al.
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But some idiots won't see that fact that wherever there is a requirement for skilled jobs, there are overwhelming number of equally qualified and skilled Indian's available to do the job for them.

So irrespective of what changes to the current legislation happen in U.S.A, Australia or anywhere else, the lion's share of job for immegrant workers will be still grabbed by Indian's. WANNA BET ????

 

[sinait]

I'm talking based on facts and figures. Not based on seeing someone working their butts off.
The IQ and economic state has been debunked many times by many members. I don't have to bring it over and over again. I told you the survey itself is stupid. Now you are repeating the same based on the economy and nothing else. And like I have said, countries with a huge population and natural resources will be the next big powers. Smaller countries with limited resources will have to do the extra mile.

haha so, you are saying Vietnam develops but ignores the fastest growing economy.

That's how smartasses do. Look at this way, we keep all these regions under control. Some countries tried multiple times to take it but couldn't do that. And we keep discussing, it can go on indefinitely. About the news quotes, India invading other countries is a myth. These kinds of article pops up now and then. Nobody gives two hoots.

Where are your facts and figures?
I see only hot air and farts.
Survey was done by world renowned professionals.
You want me to believe your farts against them.
Fastest growing economy, what a joke.
Of course it is easier to grow from a low base, a very very low base.
Its always easier to make 100% from 1 dollar as against a trillion dollars.

Under normal circumstances, nobody says India is doing that bad, but India wants to compare with China and that's where the ridicule comes in coupled with Indian bragging.
Indian bragging is suffocatingly unbearable.
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But some idiots won't see that fact that wherever there is a requirement for skilled jobs, there are overwhelming number of equally qualified and skilled Indian's available to do the job for them.

So irrespective of what changes to the current legislation happen in U.S.A, Australia or anywhere else, the lion's share of job for immegrant workers will be still grabbed by Indian's. WANNA BET ????

Delusional Indian here so proud their countrymen go begging for jobs all over the world and migrate the first chance they get.
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[Zee-shaun]

That's good news for Australian women I guess.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Why it's always Indians who are the front runners using and abusing such visa schemes of developed countries.

 

[itachii]

Why don't you elaborate?
You being from Hyderabad don't mean you know the truth.
Many facts are hidden, just like Henderson Brooks–Bhagat Report is still not released to hide Indian aggression against China in 1961 war.
.

Then Nizam of Hyderabad wanted Hyderabad to be seperate country, which was impossible as the hyderabad state is landlocked was surrounded on all 4 sides by India. The people of hyderababd were already fighting the nizam and his militia group who were committing atrocities on Hindus who make up close to 90% of the population and wanted to join the Indian Union. The moment Indian tanks started moving in to Hyderabad state there was no resisrance and the nizam gave up and acceded to join the union. Samething with junagad, the people of junagad infact revolted against its ruler, That SOB left the coutnry in midnight leaving his family. In goa India fought the Portuguese and liberated its land and its people.

Hyderabadi women in 1948 training to fight the nizam.

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

More stringent requirements for the new visas, including at least 2 years of work experience, better English language proficiency and a criminal check are also a part of new programme.

The 457 visa programme was replaced by a new Temporary Skills Shortage visa programme

Melbourne: Australia has abolished its popular employer-sponsored 457 visa programme, widely used by Indians, replacing it with new stringent programme that requires higher English-language proficiency and job skills.

The 457 visa programme, used by over 95,000 foreign workers, majority of them Indians, was replaced on March 18 by a new Temporary Skills Shortage visa programme.


The 457 visa programme allowed businesses to employ foreign workers for a period up to four years in skilled jobs where there was a shortage of Australian workers.

The majority of the visa holders under the category were from India, accounting almost a quarter of the intake, followed by the UK and China at 19.5 per cent and 5.8 per cent respectively.

The visa allowed people to live in Australia with their immediate family. It was designed to fill gaps in skilled labour but it had been criticised as being too accessible.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull in April last year had announced that his government will abolish the popular work visa programme to tackle the growing unemployment and replace it with a new programme.

He had said that Australia will adopt a new 'Australians first' approach to skilled migration.


"We will no longer allow 457 visas to be passports to jobs that could go -- and should go to Australians, he had said.

The new visa programme which came into effect from March 18 after an official notification issued by Department of Home Affairs, comprise two streams Short Term and Medium Term and is underpinned by more focused occupation lists that are responsive to genuine skill needs and regional variations across Australia.

Short term visas will be issued for two years, while medium term visas will be issued only for more critical skills shortages and for up to four years.

More stringent requirements for the new visas, including at least 2 years of work experience, better English language proficiency and a criminal check are also a part of new programme.

Other key reforms that have been included are a minimum market salary rate which ensures overseas workers cannot be hired to undercut Australian workers, labour market testing, making it mandatory for employers to ensure there is no suitable candidate in the local labour market and extending the permanent residency pathway from two years to three years.

Apart from that more than 650 jobs were available for 457 holders, but under the new visa rules it has been reduced by 200.

The new visa programme also include a strengthened training obligation for employers sponsoring foreign skilled workers to provide enhanced training outcomes for Australians in high-need industries and occupations.

The 457 visa was introduced in the 1990s to quicken the entry of business professionals and highly skilled migrants but over time it was opened up for a broad category of workers.

https://www.ndtv.com/indians-abroad...gely-by-indians-1827723?pfrom=home-topstories

If you can't speak English well don't come to Australia don't know why they come to Australia and abuse the system.

If you aren't highly skilled don't come here we don't want you enough of these people coming in and creating ghettos.

The Indians that have been living here for 40 years a valuable and contribute a lot towards their adopted home.

But the new arrivals are a disgrace causing trouble, harassing women, no manners stay in India.

There goes your English requirement
http://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/trav/...g/Pages/482/english-language-proficiency.aspx

Exemptions from English language proficiency
You do not need to demonstrate your English language proficiency if you fall into one of the following categories of exempted persons:

....

• you have completed at least five years of full-time study in a secondary or higher education institution where instruction was conducted in English*. Note: a higher education institution includes Vocational Education and Training (VET) courses for the purposes of this visa subclass

Most of Indians will qualify for this. All they will need is their transcripts with a remark that medium of instruction in their college and school was English, which in theory is correct. All books etc are indeed in English.

Character requirement?
All you need is PCC, which in India is a glorified address verification process. You can get it in ONE day if your current address is same as the address on your passport.

Highly Skilled?
Well all one needs is a college degree in engineering. Plentiful among Indians. At most you will need is two years of work experience. Not a problem. Not a problem at all.

Mostly this new visa stream is an eyewash. Only a little more documentation.

You must be One Jealous Guy.
If someone is successful, he is clever in whatever makes him successful.
A clever person will do badly in academia if he is distracted or do not have the proper environment for education.
This is especially so in 3rd world Gangadesh where children had been observed to study under the flyover.
High IQ ones could be addicted to games instead of material or academic achievements.
So a high average IQ of the nation is desirable for a nation to succeed in the world stage.

You certainly don't seem to be one of those high IQ person. Are you the representative sample of ChingaPoor? Oh wait, you are a migrant Pakistani worker.

 

[sinait]

You certainly don't seem to be one of those high IQ person. Are you the representative sample of ChingaPoor? Oh wait, you are a migrant Pakistani worker.

I am low IQ and very poor, looking to go beg for a job in Gangadesh after they clean up all the shit.
Have you been molested on Indian streets lately?
I sense so much frustration.

In the meantime I scrape by living off collecting rentals.
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