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The gloves are off: Hardliner Gen Rawat fights Kashmir insurgency, with government's backing

On the topic of Jammu and Kashmiri youth picking up arms to join terrorist organisations, Rawat said, "I only want to stress that all this [joining militancy] is futile, nothing is going to be achieved by them. You can't fight the army".

Rawat also spoke about the civilian casualties that have taken place during clashes with security forces. "We don't enjoy it [the civilian deaths and injuries]," Rawat said. "But if you want to fight us, then we will fight you with all our force."









The army chief went on to assert that his force has not been "so brutal". "Look at Syria and Pakistan. They use tanks and air power in similar situations. Our troops have been trying their level best to avoid any civilian casualty despite huge provocation," Rawat added.

General Rawat, in his interview, seemed to accept that the army has taken on a more hard-line approach to dealing with the situation in Jammu and Kashmir. "The Army did try a soft approach too," Rawat commented before saying that the large-scale violence seen after the killing of Hizbul's Burhan Wani in an encounter turned "everything upside down".

"I am still trying to understand where did all that anger [seen after the Wani encounter] come from. The youth have gotten themselves in Pakistan's trap. They are being consistently incited to attack us".

Rounding off his interview with the Express, General Rawat said that the situation in Jammu and Kashmir does not have a military solution and that the army wants politicians to hold parleys with the civilian population.

However, that can only happen once there is "calm". "And we are hopeful that people will soon realize that all this is futile and start thinking differently," Rawat said.

 

[rustom]

It won't take 100 years

Let Pakistan cross next decade in one piece first

 

[jamahir]

They will give them the pleasure to serve the Pakistani Punjabis like an obident slave.

Well, there certainly seems to be an overarching Punjabi identity across Pakistan be it in the armed forces or be it in culture ( like men wearing salwar kameez ).

better than serving hindu north indians!

Some of the current separatists in Indian Kashmir seem to want a Talibani-type reactionary state. In a hypothetical United Kashmir state under the Pakistani flag what if the Pakistani government won't allow the Talibanization?? Will these separatists fight the Pakistani government just like the TTP does??

In a previous post on this thread I mentioned Asiya Andrabi who is one of these reactionaries. Will her types be arrested??

 

[newb3e]

I thought you were talking about Bhuttos .. unless you believe Zulfi and Benazir were Indian rectum.

Well, there certainly seems to be an overarching Punjabi identity across Pakistan be it in the armed forces or be it in culture ( like men wearing salwar kameez ).



Some of the current separatists in Indian Kashmir seem to want a Talibani-type reactionary state. In a hypothetical United Kashmir state under the Pakistani flag what if the Pakistani government won't allow the Talibanization?? Will these separatists fight the Pakistani government just like the TTP does??

In a previous post on this thread I mentioned Asiya Andrabi who is one of these reactionaries. Will her types be arrested??

you dont worry we will deal with them!

 

[jamahir]

you dont worry we will deal with them!

In that case, the Pakistani government should prepare a list of people from Indian Kashmir who are not welcome and this list should be made public.

Tell Asiya Andrabi and her types that they are not welcome in a future United Kashmir.

If such a step is not taken then the Pakistan government can be understood as not working for the full welfare of Kashmiris.

 

[Areesh]

In that case, the Pakistani government should prepare a list of people from Indian Kashmir who are not welcome and this list should be made public.

Tell Asiya Andrabi and her types that they are not welcome in a future United Kashmir.

If such a step is not taken then the Pakistan government can be understood as not working for the full welfare of Kashmiris.

You should first tell your own government that they are trying to kill their way to eliminate an idea but the thing with ideas is that they are bulletproof.

 

[jamahir]

You should first tell your own government

Certainly.

At the least, I will not vote for the BJP in the coming 2019 national election.

The BJP is in government now and I don't want it to continue.

that they are trying to kill their way to eliminate an idea but the thing with ideas is that they are bulletproof.

You speak about ideas, but what are those ideas??

Revolutionaries like Bhagat Singh, Faiz Ahmed Faiz and Che Guevara also spoke of ideas. But are their ideas inferior or superior to those of the Kashmiri militants ??

If the Kashmiri militants think for a minute "What am I doing??", they will realize that the real jihad was what Che, Bhagat and Faiz were conducting.

 

[Areesh]

You speak about ideas, but what are those ideas??

Revolutionaries like Bhagat Singh, Faiz Ahmed Faiz and Che Guevara also spoke of ideas. But are their ideas inferior or superior to those of the Kashmiri militants ??

If the Kashmiri militants think for a minute "What am I doing??", they will realize that the real jihad was what Che, Bhagat and Faiz were conducting.

Idea is to get freedom from tyrants and oppressor which in this case is your country.

All bhagat singh, faiz and Che would support Kashmir freedom from India. Indian case for occupation of Kashmir is too bogus for any sane guy to support.

 

[Peshwa]

You should first tell your own government that they are trying to kill their way to eliminate an idea but the thing with ideas is that they are bulletproof.

Funny.
Why don't you tell the Kashmiri youth picking up the guns the same thing?
Because the 1.2 Billion population of India has already sunk deep in their hearts, the idea that Kashmir is an integral part of the Indian union. And no amount of bullets or Kumbayas can change that.
Hence picking up arms is a futile endeavor for the Kashmiris.
Plus we got more bullets, guns and people if the Kashmiris want to test our will and go the violent route.

So the real point here is....whos will is more powerful, 1.2 Billion Indians or a few million Kashmiri? (and I'm fluffing the Kashmiri seperatist numbers to give you a fair chance).
Because both sides have their own POV and Indians are here for the long game. Think you should know that by now.

 

[newb3e]

In that case, the Pakistani government should prepare a list of people from Indian Kashmir who are not welcome and this list should be made public.

Tell Asiya Andrabi and her types that they are not welcome in a future United Kashmir.

If such a step is not taken then the Pakistan government can be understood as not working for the full welfare of Kashmiris.

yes we will take instruction and guidence from you guys now! thankyou

 

[Peshwa]

Idea is to get freedom from tyrants and oppressor which in this case is your country.

All bhagat singh, faiz and Che would support Kashmir freedom from India. Indian case for occupation of Kashmir is too bogus for any sane guy to support.

Well in the same breath, these same people would also support the separation of Baluchistan,
FATA etc. What makes you think Kashmir would be their special project? Because you say so? lol

 

[Areesh]

Funny.
Why don't you tell the Kashmiri youth picking up the guns the same thing?
Because the 1.2 Billion population of India has already sunk deep in their hearts, the idea that Kashmir is an integral part of the Indian union. And no amount of bullets or Kumbayas can change that.
Hence picking up arms is a futile endeavor for the Kashmiris.
Plus we got more bullets, guns and people if the Kashmiris want to test our will and go the violent route.

So the real point here is....whos will is more powerful, 1.2 Billion Indians or a few million Kashmiri? (and I'm fluffing the Kashmiri seperatist numbers to give you a fair chance).
Because both sides have their own POV and Indians are here for the long game. Think you should know that by now.

1.2 billion Indians can go f*ck themselves. In fact they should go f*ck themselves. They deserve it.

Kashmir belongs to kashmiris and there is nothing that can change that. Someone multiplying like rabbits can't change that.

 

[Peshwa]

yes we will take instruction and guidence from you guys now! thankyou

Do you have a choice?
Right now your lot is begging India to come to the table for negotiations. Do you think you hold ANY cards to sway India when you cant even get us to talk to you?
PUHLEASE!

 

[Areesh]

Well in the same breath, these same people would also support the separation of Baluchistan,
FATA etc. What makes you think Kashmir would be their special project? Because you say so? lol

They can support anything. But the fact is that both FATA and Balochistan are neither disputed territories nor their are any popular freedom movement like Kashmir despite enemy wasting its money and not learning from its repeated failures.

 

[Peshwa]

1.2 billion Indians an go f*ck themselves. In fact they should go f*ck themselves. They deserve it.

Kashmir belongs to kashmiris and there is nothing that can change that. Someone multiplying like rabbits can't change that.

How about we first prove that's even true.lol
When we got one boot up the separatist Kashmiris asses and the other one on their necks, its hard to believe such grandiose comments.
Why don't you first ask them to travel out of the country on a Kashmiri passport (which does not exist) or have a country outside Pakistan (who no one gives two fucks about) even recognize Kashmir as a separate free country?
Go ahead...I challenge you.
Maybe ask China which pretty much carrries all your weight to do this as a start. See if they don't laugh you off the stage. lol