Army rescues 22 LUMS students from Rattu

[MM_Haider]

You can risk the road in a banger but not in Heli unless it's airworthy.

That’s prerequisite.. My point was different

 

[Areesh]

And do you find anything wrong in what is copied in your image?
That's what even I or any Pakistani will say.

everything is wrong in that image

And not every Pakistani is a namak haram

 

[CHI RULES]

Will they? I take you've spent a lot of time with these LUMS students? Attended many such seminars?



Is there any proof that those three comments were left by students of LUMS. Students who are the official representatives of the thousands that attend that university?



You actually believe that the majority if not all of the students at LUMS are marxist? I'm sure you have that on good authority?



Don't fall for these idiotic comments. Guarantee you that none of them actually know anything at all about how it is at that university.



Yeah, no. It was never "sponsored by retired Army high ranks and elites". Please stop producing moronic facts out of nothing.



Care to explain how?





No it wasn't. LUMS is the brain child of Babar Ali. The US aid was provided for the initial construction of a new LUMS campus. It was routed through the government of Pakistan. Quite few other universities received US aid during that time as well. LUMS had been operating for years before it received that aid.

Nobody calls the shots there except for the board. Babar Ali isn't even involved in the universities matters. You can actually go there today and ask to see the board, if you'd like.



Are they really? Pray do tell us how and why.

Dear member with due respect I may dare to say that involvement of LUMS students/Lecturers supporting PTM is enough to explain all. However to suffice you I have some counter questions for you. Who is Taimur Rahman ? , What is his relation with Ma Ma Qadeer? Why he visited Rabwa for interfaith harmony or something else? Who is on BOD of NMF -Mr. Muneer Shahnawaz
Chairman, Shezan International Limited
I know so called laurates shall curse me but is Muneer Shanawaz there to spread the true message of Islam?

I once liked the progressiveness and intellect of people at LUMS but they have defamed themselves by their own hands.
On one side I like communism but on other side I can't betray my beliefs. I even dare to say that Carl Marx even shall be ashamed in his grave due to activities of so called communists.

 

[pkd]

That is a nonsensical argument. LUMS is an academic institute, not a military academy where conformity of thought is required. The administration of LUMS has no right to curb or limit the freedom of thought and/or speech of its students in any way shape or form. Its responsibility, in fact, is to provide a safe haven for said freedoms of thought and speech, and the academic debates born from them. That is what educational institutes are for, that is what an academic institute does. Heck, I've called out professors there in their classes without fear of being rebuked, as was my right.

Furthermore, abuse-fest? The anti-military circle in LUMS is actually pretty small. You see a handful of students peacefully protesting or a facebook comment every once in a while and it has become an abuse fest? Nonsense.

Ohh god...Give me a break ... either you are really gullible even by your own standards or you are getting dumber by every passing minute.... So you are saying that harboring snakes like Mama Qadeer; the face of vicious terrorist groups masquerading as a so-called activist is what you call as freedom of though ... you really need to get out of your own little woke-bubble and need to see a real university... i have yet to see parallels even in the most elitist school... it's akin to inviting a haqqani for giving a lectures on asymmetric warfare in Harward Kennedy School or asking a Veitcong member to present its dissertation on the atrocities committed by the US army at the height of war...Remember Afghan war ... once the troops committed to the ware the media ran wall to wall coverage without missing a beat and ..the academia, the media all of them in unison and in a lockstep .....and here is someone a known thug solely interested in getting released the terrorist responsible for such heinous acts and wouldn't even spare the civilians..and these woke-bums, when it comes to them being imperiled; they suck up to the same boots.

I haven't even started on McCarthyism... need i remind you
Wake up and smell the coffee dude.

 

[Areesh]

Is there any proof that those three comments were left by students of LUMS. Students who are the official representatives of the thousands that attend that university?

Is nida kirmani official representative enough?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1219648248396288002

 

[krash]

Is nida kirmani official representative enough?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1219648248396288002

Official representative? A professor from a university expresses her personal opinion on twitter, which she is completely well within her rights to do, and it becomes the official narrative of the university? What an ludicrous statement.

Btw, could you please point out exactly what is wrong in that particular tweet of hers?

 

[CHI RULES]

Official representative? A professor from a university expresses her personal opinion on twitter, which she is completely well within her rights to do, and it becomes the official narrative of the university? What an ludicrous statement.

Btw, could you please point out exactly what is wrong in that particular tweet of hers?

Pardon me there are some moral values in every educational institution. I think majority of Lums teachers have Anti Islamic/ Anti Military ideology and they are spreading same venom in majority of burger youngsters who afford to study there along few chosen ones from lower classes. First Taimur now Nida.

 

[Areesh]

Btw, could you please point out exactly what is wrong in that particular tweet of hers?

Army is not bound to save her nincompoops from rattu despite all the taxes that she might have paid

The fact is that she harbors hatred for an institution of Pakistan and continuously promotes propaganda against it and supports ethnofascists like PTM or Mama Qadeer is enough to understand LUMS as an institute unless LUMS takes action against her

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

I am also apparently a part of the Illuminati.

No you are not..but Babar is..If you think im one of those who declare the whole lot kafir or yahood agent you are mistaken..LUMS alumni should raise the issue of his connection with CFR and Rockefellers.Just ask him how he was able to arrange the amount for LUMS.If you are personally fine with one world govt. thats a different story.

This is how they enslave a nation..The local grads of a university(not lums in particular) who are susceptible to manipulation are placed in powerful positions in banks,trade unions, corps and ministry from where they can be used whenever time comes to squeeze a nation.They are nurtured from very early ages i.e. university times so they grow into a good product by the time they reach State bank from there they say hi to their actual boss not the govt. of Pakistan but Bank of London.

LUMS was already considered the best business school of Pakistan before those funds were received. What are you talking about?

LUMS wasnt a popular school to go back in 88..People used to go UET and IBA.Now are you going to argue over this?Any of the oldies here can confirm this..

Defensive? Embarrassed? Au contraire, I am quite proud to be a LUMS grad. A lot of who I am is because of that institute. For example, I not being flame baited by your statement is testament to the quality of education I received in that institute.

Good for you..There is nothing wrong with being proud of your alma mater ( lums)..Nobody is saying the education sucks there..you are taking it the wrong way.

I keep hearing this US funded argument yet you present no proof. Except for the one grant decades ago when other Pakistani universities received the same if not more.

That one grant was $10 million from 1988 .You know how much money it was back then, it was much more than what was needed to construct your campus.. The system of financing has evolved since then..USAID has been funding programs all over Pakistan mostly the needy ones .It doesnt look good on LUMs now to get gratnts from US AID.Instead international donors channel money to LUMS through business, training and vocational expertise for different spheres of life.

Lets look at what some dictators have done for pak.


Ayub - labelled Fatimah Jinnah as a RAW agent.

Yahya - '71 failure.

Zia - extreme islamisation, kalashnikov culture, refugee crisis, drug crisis

Musharraf - bending over for america

cherry picker.
You still need to grow and learn what Zia did for this country..you better stick to your expertise of dissing the chinese here,just do the job you are hired for..

 

[mingle]

Where is LUNS red storm?????

 

[Hayreddin]

Why are these boys and girls together at the first place?!?!? Are they from the orphanage?!?!


You’re dead fast with maths!!!!

A kind of orphanage , their pseudo loberal mom n dad stuck in late night drunk parties , and these low lives are just piece of trash, pretending to be what they are not .

 

[Signalian]

lol, your accusations don't bother me. I will criticise my military as much as I can, for its wrongs. I don't need an approval or endorsement to do it. Also, do remember one thing, soldiers also criticise their own organisation sometimes, mostly after retirement. That doesn't mean anything, but for the betterment of the country.

I didn't accuse you of anything since your posts are a testimony of your words here on PDF. You are bent on Criticism only, as shown in this thread too, which makes any analysis that you do as - biased. You don't need to remind me what soldiers do and what they don't, i have spent days with them in barracks unlike you. An unbiased analysis is betterment for the country whereas a biased analysis which only comes as criticism from your mouth is not. This biased approach spreads hate and negativity.

 

[Xestan]

I didn't accuse you of anything since your posts are a testimony of your words here on PDF. You are bent on Criticism only, as shown in this thread too, which makes any analysis that you do as - biased. You don't need to remind me what soldiers do and what they don't, i have spent days with them in barracks unlike you. An unbiased analysis is betterment for the country whereas a biased analysis which only comes as criticism from your mouth is not. This biased approach spreads hate and negativity.

Funny how you assume things. You might have spent time with the soldiers in the barracks. I have lowered them down into their graves with my own hands, so as I said before, nothing you say bothers me. Continuous criticism can mean a lot of things, it can also mean the criticised party is not mending its ways.

My utmost respect to soldiers who uphold the oath to the Constitution of Pakistan. Rest can burn in hell like all oath breakers. If politicians, judges and journalists can be 'traitors', Generals can be too.

 

[krash]

Ohh god...Give me a break ... either you are really gullible even by your own standards or you are getting dumber by every passing minute....

Sure. Ad Hominem was always my favorite fallacy, easy to identify and ignore. Try again please.

So you are saying that harboring snakes like Mama Qadeer;

Harboring? Could it be that you don't know what that means?

the face of vicious terrorist groups masquerading as a so-called activist is what you call as freedom of though ...

It is exactly that. As long as he's using words, he's well within his rights to do so, unless and until he impinges upon someone else's rights or goes against the law. If and when he does, arrest and punish him.

What apparently you don't know is that we want these terrorists and extremists to come in the sphere of political discourse. That is how we defeat them, that's how we've been defeating them.

you really need to get out of your own little woke-bubble and need to see a real university...

Sure, why not? Please advise a few. Perhaps the ones you've attended?

i have yet to see parallels even in the most elitist school...

Then you aren't very well aware of what goes on in actual academic circles or even about history. Examples below.

it's akin to inviting a haqqani for giving a lectures on asymmetric warfare in Harward Kennedy School

No it's not. Red Herring, my second favorite fallacy.

or asking a Veitcong member to present its dissertation on the atrocities committed by the US army at the height of war...

Good that you brought up the Vietnam war yourself. Please educate yourself below,

https://www.jstor.org/stable/588233?seq=1
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-campus-and-the-vietnam-war-protest-and-tragedy
https://www.khanacademy.org/humanit...the-student-movement-and-the-antiwar-movement


You see, they didn't even need to invite a Vietnamese to educate them on the matter. They did that themselves. They weren't ill-educated or emotionally charged. The government then recognized their right of opinion and protected it through constitutional amendments. It's actually just one of the many major examples of how freedom of speech, opinion and expression, despite allowing morons such as Kirmani space to propagate their moronic opinions, is still the bedrock upon which safety mechanism against authoritarian control and extremism are built.

Remember Afghan war ... once the troops committed to the ware the media ran wall to wall coverage without missing a beat and ..the academia, the media all of them in unison and in a lockstep

No they weren't. Again, please educate yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_war_in_Afghanistan_(2001–14)

I haven't even started on McCarthyism...

Do you not see the irony of you mentioning McCarthyism?

Dear member with due respect I may dare to say that involvement of LUMS students/Lecturers supporting PTM is enough to explain all. However to suffice you I have some counter questions for you. Who is Taimur Rahman ? , What is his relation with Ma Ma Qadeer? Why he visited Rabwa for interfaith harmony or something else? Who is on BOD of NMF -Mr. Muneer Shahnawaz
Chairman, Shezan International Limited
I know so called laurates shall curse me but is Muneer Shanawaz there to spread the true message of Islam?

I once liked the progressiveness and intellect of people at LUMS but they have defamed themselves by their own hands.
On one side I like communism but on other side I can't betray my beliefs. I even dare to say that Carl Marx even shall be ashamed in his grave due to activities of so called communists.

Pardon me there are some moral values in every educational institution. I think majority of Lums teachers have Anti Islamic/ Anti Military ideology and they are spreading same venom in majority of burger youngsters who afford to study there along few chosen ones from lower classes. First Taimur now Nida.

Aha, right.

Army is not bound to save her nincompoops from rattu despite all the taxes that she might have paid

They actually are. They are bound to save every Pakistani irrespective of their caste, creed or political leanings. You don't get a say in it either.

The fact is that she harbors hatred for an institution of Pakistan and continuously promotes propaganda against it and supports ethnofascists like PTM or Mama Qadeer is enough to understand LUMS as an institute unless LUMS takes action against her

Yeah, that's not how an academic institute works.

I'm not arguing that that particular professor is not a moron but it's equally moronic for you to group the entire LUMS community with her. And shows a very clear lack of understanding of how an academic environment should be like.

Anyway, do you guys know any other people who've been vociferous critics of the army? Say, Habib Jalib? Or maybe, Faiz Ahmed Faiz? You celebrate them as national heroes.

 

[Areesh]

Yeah, that's not how an academic institute works.

I'm not arguing that that particular professor is not a moron but it's equally moronic for you to group the entire LUMS community with her. And shows a very clear lack of understanding of how an academic environment should be like.

Anyway, do you guys know any other people who've been vociferous critics of the army? Say, Habib Jalib? Or maybe, Faiz Ahmed Faiz? You celebrate them as national heroes.

LUMSU would have to take responsibility for actions of its teachers if they are involved in doing bidding of ethno fascist and racist groups. If there are "study circles" in LUMSU that support these groups

And nope. "yeh jo dehshat gardi hai, is k peechai wardi hai" is not criticism of army. It is accusing Pakistani state of terrorism inside Pakistan. And that is exactly what LUMSU teachers like Nida Kirmani support