Army rescues 22 LUMS students from Rattu

[Signalian]

Criticise the institution when it crosses boundaries, like any other department of the Government does. [/MEDIA]

Yes, your sole purpose of stay on PDF.
Haven't really seen you criticize any other department else than Military or COAS.

 

[B.K.N]

Yes, your sole purpose of stay on PDF.
Haven't really seen you criticize any other department else than Military or COAS.

He also criticizes Imran Khan but defends Nawaz zardari etc.

 

[Signalian]

He also criticizes Imran Khan but defends Nawaz zardari etc.

which departments did he criticize ?

 

[B.K.N]

which departments did he criticize ?

He criticizes Army and Imran Khan and supports every anti army person. But never says a word against noon league ppp ptm etc.

 

[Xestan]

Yes, your sole purpose of stay on PDF.
Haven't really seen you criticize any other department else than Military or COAS.

lol, your accusations don't bother me. I will criticise my military as much as I can, for its wrongs. I don't need an approval or endorsement to do it. Also, do remember one thing, soldiers also criticise their own organisation sometimes, mostly after retirement. That doesn't mean anything, but for the betterment of the country.

He also criticizes Imran Khan but defends Nawaz zardari etc.

Just because I debunked your theory about Government not importing wheat, and criticised bad management of wheat crisis, I am suddenly defending Nawaz and Zardari? Cool story!

Not difference of opinion but anti Pakistan propaganda. Army bahana ha Pakistan nishana ha

Speaking against extra constitutional acts of the army is not anti-Pakistan propaganda, but is protecting the country from decay and upholding democracy. The same democracy your beloved Prime Minister helped come to power. If there's no civilian supremacy, there wont be Imran Khan either.

 

[maximuswarrior]

These privileged libtards need to be roasted and sent packing to Modi's Hindustan. Disgusting breed. This bastard breed cannot appreciate freedom.

 

[litman]

Here. So what?

Just because Pakistan Army saved them, suddenly everything the Army does, right or wrong, will become justifiable?



Lets look at what some dictators have done for pak.

Ayub - labelled Fatimah Jinnah as a RAW agent.

Yahya - '71 failure.

Zia - extreme islamisation, kalashnikov culture, refugee crisis, drug crisis

Musharraf - bending over for america



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lets look again what these dictators have also done for pak
ayub. the credit of construction of both the major dams in pakistan and which subsequently lead to the one of the largest canal networks in the country. otherwise you and your family would have been sitting without electricity and would have been starved to death.
yahya.... was it yahya that raised urdu- bangali controversy right in 1947? was it him who was involved in agartalla conspiracy? was it him who raised the slogan of idhar tum udhr hum? i hope you have taken your history lessons well. and if you still take only yahya as responsible for 71 then 21 guns salute to your logic.
zia..... wasnt he a hero when he saved the country from quite an imminent attack on pakistan by soviet union? it is really easy to study the things in retrospect .
musharraf ... yes i think no positive thing he did in his tenure but then civil leadership never bowed to US pressure.
the amount of effort which you have made in writing non sense ,highlighting only the failures of the military depicts the sh*t that you have in your mind against those who have sacrificed their lives for your safety and that of your kids. pathetic and shameful on your part if you are a pakistani.
BTW do you think it was only Dr qadeer who single handedly made pakistan the nuclear power ?

 

[Great Janjua]

The liberals like to scream it is healthy criticism but when their friends like to claim am Persian and have no linkage to Pakistan yet continue to criticize the army but not the ayatollah regime they sign loyalty contract too it all just comes together

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Army played its role in rescuing students.It doesn't matter which class and University they belong to.

Love Pakistan, Care Pakistan, we all are Pakistan

 

[War Thunder]

and these LUMS students will go back and conduct seminar on human rights abuses of Pak Army and how it lost all the wars and how unruly and rouge this Army is.

And who cares what the dumb ignorant have to say about anything?

Let them enjoy the delusional enjoyment while it lasts.

Should have left them to freeze in snow

https://twitter.com/x/status/1219314918429798411

And do you find anything wrong in what is copied in your image?
That's what even I or any Pakistani will say.

 

[blueazure]

Sir LUMS though situated in Cantonment area and being sponsored by retired Army high ranks and elites yet since past few years has become a center point of anti Islamic and anti Military activities. It is a big question mark for military itself and sponsors of the institution. Debate for betterment is good but not to defame own ideology.

dont worry

all the 'elements' in LUMS who are part of such activities are under 'watch'



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pussies go to LUMS

studs are from PMA

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[Rafi]

They are citizens of Pakistan, they were rescued by soldiers of the Armed Forces of Pakistan, End of Story.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Great work pak army. Good that everyone is safe. I feel we should make civilian government strong to tackle these type of operations. We always call army even in little floods, nalas to save people.

 

[litman]

Army played its role in rescuing students.It doesn't matter which class and University they belong to.

Love Pakistan, Care Pakistan, we all are Pakistan

you are right but unfortunately pakistani nation is very thankless.

 

[krash]

You're right about the school in this subject. However, I do have some understanding how it's done in other "liberal" schools! For example, in my alma mater, which used to admit top 1% of the high school grads, students played "football" with the Kuran-i Kerim!! And, they put fire into the car of the US ambassador! Later, the "commando" units were para dropped to retake the campus....

Far from it. LUMS is one of the very few educational institutes in Pakistan that are actually being run on academic principles. There is no suppression of thought. There is no rule of one ideology either. It is a true representative of the very many thoughts and backgrounds that make Pakistan what it is. You can be a mullah, an atheist, a liberal, a conservative or a regular everyday Pakistani and no one will bother you. Argue? Yes. While still respecting your God given right to express your beliefs and arguments. You are free to your ways and thoughts as long as they do not collide with the law or others' rights. This is how a society is supposed to keep itself in check and progress, a concept completely void on most Pakistanis.

In the words of the man who started the university, "when I see a student with a beard and his pants above his ankles speaking completely at ease with a girl wearing jeans and a t-shirt, it makes my day."

Everyone here is very insecure about activists. LUMS does produce liberals and so do most private institutions in Pakistan; because free thinking is highly encouraged.

It's also about otherising. A staple of insecure societies, communities and individuals. They have no other option, legitimacy cannot be challenged in many other ways. I could dissect it further but I'm afraid that that would hurt a few feelings.

ps: It's funny how no one understands the term "liberal" in this country.

It was the LUMS management that reached out to the army and made the SOS call

As was their right. Why would they not have?

and i haven't lately seen any push-back from their side as to the lunacy / abuse-fest going on their campus which is a kind of tacit endorsement.

That is a nonsensical argument. LUMS is an academic institute, not a military academy where conformity of thought is required. The administration of LUMS has no right to curb or limit the freedom of thought and/or speech of its students in any way shape or form. Its responsibility, in fact, is to provide a safe haven for said freedoms of thought and speech, and the academic debates born from them. That is what educational institutes are for, that is what an academic institute does. Heck, I've called out professors there in their classes without fear of being rebuked, as was my right.

Furthermore, abuse-fest? The anti-military circle in LUMS is actually pretty small. You see a handful of students peacefully protesting or a facebook comment every once in a while and it has become an abuse fest? Nonsense.

When these libera-dors were up in arms against the military operations, it was these soldiers who were sacrificing their lives to fight the proxies so that these snow flakes can a build a snowman in a hailstorm.

Hogwash. When those soldiers went in to fight those terrorists the entirety of Pakistanis, such as yourself, who today pretend to be the ever loyalists, shunned them. "The Pakistani military is hired by the US to kill our Pakistani and Muslim brothers", "this is not our fight", "this is haram". A good few years when no one was prepared to listen to the DG ISPR, most of you didn't know who he even was. I remember him mentioning this once. I remember those times, vividly. During those very times, it was the student bodies at LUMS who regularly invited the DG ISPR to come hold talks on the matter, broadcast it on our university portal as well. The DG ISPR was then also bombarded with arguments, both by the students and the faculty, and then given a very fare opportunity to defend himself and the army, which he always did, spectacularly. I attended those talks, I arranged some of them. This is what an academic institute does.

BTW, those talks by the DG ISPR are still held there quite regularly. They have since then become a tradition of sorts. You didn't know that now, did you?

Firstly, if you or any of your family/friends graduated from LUMS there is no need to be defensive or embarrassed by any of this..

Defensive? Embarrassed? Au contraire, I am quite proud to be a LUMS grad. A lot of who I am is because of that institute. For example, I not being flame baited by your statement is testament to the quality of education I received in that institute.

This happens all over the world.Commis funded institutions in our country to produce comrads.US did the same.Not just that us has footprints on some other institutions.This is a recognized vertical under the US aid and development program where they produce US influenced thinkers and contributors in a society.

I keep hearing this US funded argument yet you present no proof. Except for the one grant decades ago when other Pakistani universities received the same if not more.

Babar Ali's LUMS would have not seen the light and height unless Americans would have stepped in and helped him purchase land for campus in late 80s and successive collaboration following it.

LUMS was already considered the best business school of Pakistan before those funds were received. What are you talking about?

Babar Ali himself was America's blue-eyed boy , who also served as a finance minister..oh more than that he was part of board members of 'Council on Foreign Relations and Asia society.Do you know what that implies? Illuminati...He and his family are rockefellerians..He is actually a very close friend of David and Nelson Rockefeller.He was a member of the board of int. advisory for CFR.
https://www.cfr.org/sites/default/files/report_pdf/CFR_annual_report_2006.pdf So LUMS is part of their global web.

Ah......I see. Not only have I wasted my time with you I am also apparently a part of the Illuminati. Cool.

There are children of retired/military officers attending LUMS. It can have its socialist, leftist leanings and it is fine.

My humble opinion is that as a country, it is healthy to have some diversity of thoughts and ideas. Some critique has merit, some does not. But what we should not do is try to muzzle or shut down contrarian opinions. Why would we want to subject ourselves to group-think? Zia's overt Islamization did that to us. We need to stick to the middle of the road and that can only happen when you have opinions from both sides.

Cent percent.


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What none of you realize, probably due to the environments of the institutions that you attended, is that no academic institute is worth its salt unless it produces diverse modes of thought. Its job is to educate its students on every argument in a given subject, allow them to make their own opinion on the said subject, protect their right to have that opinion and then provide a safe place for them to be argued against and then defend that said opinion. This concept is completely absent from Pakistani universities and is exactly the reason why they are a joke.

ps: The Marxist/Socialist camp at LUMS is actually quite small. It's a handful of students who are a little too impressed by a couple of Marxist proffs.