American kids are 'political pawns' in gun control battle, CEOs say

[VCheng]

Yes it is up to them to decide

Thank you for accepting that fact. End of discussion!

 

[Dubious]

when guns are regulated to the point

They are not even regulated yet and you are already on the extreme point:

the gun is banned. Not that difficult to see.

Jumping to conclusions is not healthy! And prob what causes you to fear gun regulations!

Then why not do the same for driver's license. We can institute BOTH technical competency ($) and psychological evaluation ($$$$) for the car and the gun. Deal?

Sure why not? After all it is tougher to get a drivers license than a gun license:


https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...e-harder-to-get-than-an-assault-weapon-73230/

Interesting enough paying off student loans is not a big hoo haa in America but regulating a gun is!

Japan regulates its guns and is 1 of the safest countries on the planet!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...283fea-2375-11e7-b503-9d616bd5a305_story.html

So how do people in Japan tackle crime? I mean that is what most gun owners claim where they need to protect themselves....

Am not derailing the thread. Am just pointing out the absurdity of someone who is from a country that has far worse political and social problems than US and yet takes it upon himself to arrogantly claimed he and his people have more 'sense' than Americans. If you have so much more 'sense' than Americans, why not fix your problems?

My problems are all over the forum ...Take your pick...But why is 1 thread irking you? 1 thread on American guns and you are ready to malign any country, human that gets in the way...THIS attitude prob needs a psychological evaluation!

Then I will put it bluntly -- LEAVE. This is America, not Pakistan or France or Great Britain or Russia. We have our ways and it is up to YOU to adjust to US, not the other way around. I am an immigrant to the US. I adjusted and if I can, so can others.

They are American citizens it is their right to stay...Like the right of a citizen! Freedom to express your self is a fundamental American right that you would violate any day but god forbid someone suggest you to regulate your gun laws!

Freedom to express yourself.
https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learners/citizenship-rights-and-responsibilities

Who the hell are you to say any such thing?

Perhaps we should psych eval every religionist since we do not know what they are liable to do in their religious fever?

religionist isnt even a word...Now I have doubt about your education level or is it the system?

Right to practice religion is also a fundamental right protected by your laws!

Freedom to worship as you wish.

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learners/citizenship-rights-and-responsibilities

Thank you for accepting that fact. End of discussion!

A discussion can be made by anyone ...Ultimate decision (which differs from discussion) is up to them!

 

[VCheng]

religionist isnt even a word...Now I have doubt about your education level or is it the system?

Yes, it is a word:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religionist

religionist
noun

re·li·gion·ist | \ri-ˈli-jə-nist, -ˈlij-nist\
Definition of religionist


: a person adhering to a religionespecially : a religious zealot


(I wonder whose education should be regarded as doubtful now. )
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Back on topic:

Ultimate decision (which differs from discussion) is up to them!

Dumb as Murrikans are, I will still trust them with the decision. I am out of this discussion.

 

[gambit]

They are not even regulated yet and you are already on the extreme point:

I already showed you a list of gun laws in the US, so what are you talking about 'not even regulated'?

Jumping to conclusions is not healthy!

Take your own advice.

Sure why not? After all it is tougher to get a drivers license than a gun license:

Easy to say. I challenge you to show how many Americans would support psych evals for driver's license.

Give your reasoning that since cars can be used for crimes, it is prudent to perform psyche evals on every Americans retroactively. No allowance for those under 18. See how long the economy will last.

Interesting enough paying off student loans is not a big hoo haa in America but regulating a gun is!

Because of the 2nd Amendment. That pesky Constitution...

Japan regulates its guns and is 1 of the safest countries on the planet!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...283fea-2375-11e7-b503-9d616bd5a305_story.html

So how do people in Japan tackle crime? I mean that is what most gun owners claim where they need to protect themselves....

We are Americans, not JPNese. This proves my point -- that this thread is essentially other people want Americans to be like them, purportedly 'sensible'.

My problems are all over the forum ...Take your pick...But why is 1 thread irking you? 1 thread on American guns and you are ready to malign any country, human that gets in the way...THIS attitude prob needs a psychological evaluation!

That is odd. I defend my country's ways and you call that as 'irking'? You got no problems maligning my country but cannot stand the taste of your own medicine? Looks like it is YOU who really needs a psych eval.

They are American citizens it is their right to stay...Like the right of a citizen! Freedom to express your self is a fundamental American right that you would violate any day but god forbid someone suggest you to regulate your gun laws!

Freedom to express yourself.
https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learners/citizenship-rights-and-responsibilities

Who the hell are you to say any such thing?

Who the hell am I? How about an American, just like they are? Challenging them is not taking their rights and freedoms away. Telling them to leave US if they do not like US is equally my right and freedom of expression.

You think Americans are unique in this kind of response? If you do, looks like you are not as well traveled or sophisticated as you think you are. I have seen the same 'leave us if you do not like our country' attitude from Britons, French, Egyptians, Saudis, Chinese, Japanese, and the list got more citizens, buddy.

This exchange is the perfect example of why people like you are frustrated -- you simply do not like to be challenged. Who the hell are YOU to say that the rest of the world tried to 'knock some sense' into Americans? That attitude and the resulting comment already presupposed that somehow Americans are stupid to have guns in the first place. You may call that 'criticism' and not 'malign' but Americans call that hypocritical and condescending.

No guns? Fine, if that is your way. But then when there are troubles, you become refugees and flee to US, demanding access to this oh-so-terrible country filled with guns toting rednecks. Then once secured in America, they want the US and Americans to change into the country they fled from. You think unsophisticated Americans do not see the inconsistency? If anything, that inconsistency is enough to make Americans resistant to your kind of condescension thinly disguised as 'criticism'. No constitutional guarantee necessary.

religionist isnt even a word...Now I have doubt about your education level or is it the system?

Religionist is a valid word. Look it up with that magical invention call the Internet.

Right to practice religion is also a fundamental right protected by your laws!

Freedom to worship as you wish.

Considering the gun is real and gods are not, maybe psyche evals are more required for religionists than for gun owners.

Physicist Steven Weinberg said: With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil–that takes religion.

YOU want psyche eval for one Constitutional right -- the right to bear arms.

I want psyche eval for another Constitutional right -- the right of religion as implied in the First Amendment.

The First Amendment also covers the press, so how about psyche evals for prospective journalists? If the pen is mightier than the sword, all the more reasons to make sure those who would wield the pen are of sound minds, right? This means the goobermint should regulate journalists and their scribbling, make sure what they say in print and electronic media do not generate controversies and promote harmony among the people. Wait a sec...Are we talking about China now?

 

[Nilgiri]

guys this is going in circles now

 

[Cookie Monster]

even with gun control most of firearm deaths will happen

U saw that in that crystal ball of urs? How can u say that with certainty? I would like to see some cold hard data on which u r basing this on.

 

[nahtanbob]

U saw that in that crystal ball of urs? How can u say that with certainty? I would like to see some cold hard data on which u r basing this on.

a lot of cities in USA have strict gun control laws. a lot of them have high crime rates
there are 200 million firearms in the hands of 30 million individuals. Unless you seize 99.99% of them gun control won't work

 

[gambit]

Since it is proposed that prospective gun buyers MUST be given psych evals, I propose that those in the medical profession also be given psych evals.

https://www.ranker.com/list/serial-killers-who-were-doctors/ranker-crime

Italian nurse Daniela Poggiali killed as many as 38 patients because she thought they — and their visiting families — were annoying. She snapped selfies with several of the corpses after they had passed.

Police believe Daniela Poggiali, who worked at a Lugo hospital, killed her victims with hefty doses of potassium chloride. She was arrested after an autopsy on 78-year-old Rosa Calderoni revealed dangerous levels of potassium in her body. 38 of the 86 patients she treated died within a three month period.

Medicine is practically the near perfect hiding profession for any potential murder. It is speculated that Jack The Ripper was an MD, or at least someone intimate with the human body thru formal education.

How many lives would have been saved if psych evals were given to anyone in college wishing to enter the medical profession?

I do not know my doctor at the personal level but nevertheless I have to trust him literally with my life, on the other hand, I socializes with my 'gun nut' friends. So why demand psych evals for the 'gun nuts' but not for the docs or the nurses? The gun is an obvious tool for killing. The syringe is not. This make the doc an even more insidious character because he has to know so much about you, whether you like it or not, before he kills you or molest your wife/mother/daughter.

All in the medical profession MUST be given psych evals by the goobermint. Yea or Nay?

 

[Cookie Monster]

a lot of cities in USA have strict gun control laws. a lot of them have high crime rates
there are 200 million firearms in the hands of 30 million individuals. Unless you seize 99.99% of them gun control won't work

Gun control laws at city and state levels are not effective bcuz as an American citizen u r free to move about from city to city and state to state...so it's not comparable to something like Japan, which has countrywide gun control laws.

In case of gun control laws at city or state level...I live in California...which has far stricter gun control laws than Arizona for example. If God forbid I was one of those idiots hell bent on shooting ppl, I could easily just hop on over to Arizona and get one. Arizona has one of the most relaxed gun laws and u don't even have to be a resident of that state to get a permit. Then I can hop on over back to California...and all of a sudden it didn't matter that California had strict gun laws.

This matters bcuz when a person enters for example Japan(from wherever), it's not like a person going from California to Arizona...there is a strict checking procedure. If u have firearms u will most likely be caught before u r even allowed to enter the country and so the gun control laws remain effective as far as their intended purpose goes.

This is why gun control laws will never work properly at city and state level...the intended goal(of less shootings/less idiots running around with guns) will not be achieved to its fullest extent unless uniform and strict gun laws are introduced at the federal level. It has to be done at the national level or else it's not gonna be effective.

P.S. I'm neither super hardcore anti guns nor hardcore pro guns...I'm just more on the side of less shootings/more safety...whatever approach would yield that result I'm all for it. It just annoys me when someone sticks either to one side or the other...not willing to look at the issue from all possible angles and work towards a solution.

 

[nahtanbob]

Gun control laws at city and state levels are not effective bcuz as an American citizen u r free to move about from city to city and state to state...so it's not comparable to something like Japan, which has countrywide gun control laws.

In case of gun control laws at city or state level...I live in California...which has far stricter gun control laws than Arizona for example. If God forbid I was one of those idiots hell bent on shooting ppl, I could easily just hop on over to Arizona and get one. Arizona has one of the most relaxed gun laws and u don't even have to be a resident of that state to get a permit. Then I can hop on over back to California...and all of a sudden it didn't matter that California had strict gun laws.

This matters bcuz when a person enters for example Japan(from wherever), it's not like a person going from California to Arizona...there is a strict checking procedure. If u have firearms u will most likely be caught before u r even allowed to enter the country and so the gun control laws remain effective as far as their intended purpose goes.

This is why gun control laws will never work properly at city and state level...the intended goal(of less shootings/less idiots running around with guns) will not be achieved to its fullest extent unless uniform and strict gun laws are introduced at the federal level. It has to be done at the national level or else it's not gonna be effective.

P.S. I'm neither super hardcore anti guns nor hardcore pro guns...I'm just more on the side of less shootings/more safety...whatever approach would yield that result I'm all for it. It just annoys me when someone sticks either to one side or the other...not willing to look at the issue from all possible angles and work towards a solution.

I have no religion on guns. I see what works. I see what does not work. I see where foreigners come from. I see how Japan and Singapore achieve it.

The 2nd amendment (at least the conservative interpretation of it) precludes stringent gun control at the level you want. You have 200 million weapons in the hands of tens of millions of gun owners.

 

[Oldman1]

The problem is not gun violence, but the violent mindset of many Americans. Americans are extreme. That is how they are nurtured and brought up. From fast food to violent entertainment. Violence surrounds their every day life. The whole upbringing is just violent and unnatural. Violence is not going to disappear from American society.

Guns are an easy way to kill scores of people. Basically a preferred choice of weapon by many lunatics in that part of the world. 'Murica is ruled by guns. Guns means religion. It won't be easy to decrease guns. The average American is up in arms if you talk about gun regulation. Just look at this discussion as an example. Radicalization is like a drug. The Americans are hooked onto their guns.

It should tell us which way the American population is heading. Afterall, they chose Donald. J. Trump as their president. The most vile leader to have as a nation. Anything is possible in Yankeeland.

Doesn't explain why other countries banned guns from their citizens like in Australia. Can't trust them with it? Violent mindset?

 

[Dubious]

I already showed you a list of gun laws in the US, so what are you talking about 'not even regulated'?

SOME states dont even require permit, others get the permit without background check even! so I am very sure you know what I am talking about!

Easy to say. I challenge you to show how many Americans would support psych evals for driver's license.

Give your reasoning that since cars can be used for crimes, it is prudent to perform psyche evals on every Americans retroactively. No allowance for those under 18. See how long the economy will last.

You started with: We can institute BOTH technical competency ($) and went to getting a psych exam for driving? Interesting...Though It might reduce pollution then again America doesnt have good transportation links like Europe to enable this!

We are Americans, not JPNese. This proves my point -- that this thread is essentially other people want Americans to be like them, purportedly 'sensible'.

So learning from examples is impossible in America and are Americans bound to repeat every mistake other countries already fixed? Kind of shows egoism and superiority complex!

Def not like the Japanese

Japan, Europe and Australia each had gun problems, they regulated it to make it tougher to have guns and their gun crimes have interestingly decreased significantly! But why learn from experienced countries, Americans want to make a world record on gun crimes!

That is odd. I defend my country's ways and you call that as 'irking'? You got no problems maligning my country but cannot stand the taste of your own medicine? Looks like it is YOU who really needs a psych eval.

Well, if you were on a Pakistani thread, I have no problem with you pointing out "problems" in my country! But since we are on an American thread the topic HAPPENS to be America...GOSH I cant believe I have to explain this simple thing to one with a "Professional" tag! No wonder we got trolls here coz even title holders behave like you challenging the forum rules about not derailing!

Who the hell am I? How about an American, just like they are? Challenging them is not taking their rights and freedoms away. Telling them to leave US if they do not like US is equally my right and freedom of expression.

Yet you feel superior.....Telling them to leave is a superiority complex! ESP considering they are your next generation while you will die out quicker they are there to stay!

You think Americans are unique in this kind of response? If you do, looks like you are not as well traveled or sophisticated as you think you are. I have seen the same 'leave us if you do not like our country' attitude from Britons, French, Egyptians, Saudis, Chinese, Japanese, and the list got more citizens, buddy.

Interesting enough they dont say it to their white citizens who come on the streets you can take the French march, the British riot and the list does go on! No one tells the next generation to leave if they dont see eye to eye with them! Yes you are a special breed in that sense...Not Americans but you in particular!

No guns? Fine, if that is your way. But then when there are troubles, you become refugees and flee to US, demanding access to this oh-so-terrible country filled with guns toting rednecks. Then once secured in America, they want the US and Americans to change into the country they fled from. You think unsophisticated Americans do not see the inconsistency? If anything, that inconsistency is enough to make Americans resistant to your kind of condescension thinly disguised as 'criticism'. No constitutional guarantee necessary.

And you cant stick to the topic can you? The OP is clearly ABOUT what American children who went through mass shooting trauma want not what a person from a different country want! It is their demand that we are discussing and also why such a demand rose...So far you have alienated them and told them to get out of your country....a country equally theirs...

And as usual you went back to NO guns from regulating guns! I guess you just see regulation as NO coz you really dont understand how there may be different levels of regulation...like within American states where some are heavily regulated (yes regulated already) and some have cowboys running like they still living in wild west!

Religionist is a valid word. Look it up with that magical invention call the Internet.

A new word indeed....So new that even the dictionary says look up its sister word: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/religionist

Considering the gun is real and gods are not, maybe psyche evals are more required for religionists than for gun owners.

Not the same unless you think owning a gun is a religious duty! Religion is regulated meaning you have a priest, imam or a rabbi! You have schools to teach you religion, you need certification to get to preaching but every idiot can also preach....So, you mean to say you prefer an everyday idiot to preach then an educated one (regulated as per the law)?

Why do you want a regulated teacher for religion but a wild gun law?

YOU want psyche eval for one Constitutional right -- the right to bear arms.

I want psyche eval for another Constitutional right -- the right of religion as implied in the First Amendment.

The First Amendment also covers the press, so how about psyche evals for prospective journalists? If the pen is mightier than the sword, all the more reasons to make sure those who would wield the pen are of sound minds, right? This means the goobermint should regulate journalists and their scribbling, make sure what they say in print and electronic media do not generate controversies and promote harmony among the people. Wait a sec...Are we talking about China now?

Replace the YOU with your next generation!

 

[gambit]

SOME states dont even require permit, others get the permit without background check even! so I am very sure you know what I am talking about!

That does not equate to no regulations. I cannot buy a fully automatic weapon and that is federal.

https://www.atf.gov/qa-category/national-firearms-act-nfa

The above link is what required to LEGALLY purchase and own a fully automatic weapon. Convicted felons are not allowed to own guns. So your argument is worthless.

You started with: We can institute BOTH technical competency ($) and went to getting a psych exam for driving? Interesting...Though It might reduce pollution then again America doesnt have good transportation links like Europe to enable this!

So now it is YOU who derail the thread.

So learning from examples is impossible in America and are Americans bound to repeat every mistake other countries already fixed? Kind of shows egoism and superiority complex!

Def not like the Japanese

Japan, Europe and Australia each had gun problems, they regulated it to make it tougher to have guns and their gun crimes have interestingly decreased significantly! But why learn from experienced countries, Americans want to make a world record on gun crimes!

What make you think those examples are worthy to emulate? The citizenry disarmed. To Americans, THAT is a mistake.

Again...This thread is about Americans MUST be like everyone else. Japan, Australia, Europeans, etc.

YOU should start a campaign to educate the rest of the world on not coming to America since we are so resistant on learning from 'superior' cultures.

Well, if you were on a Pakistani thread, I have no problem with you pointing out "problems" in my country! But since we are on an American thread the topic HAPPENS to be America...GOSH I cant believe I have to explain this simple thing to one with a "Professional" tag! No wonder we got trolls here coz even title holders behave like you challenging the forum rules about not derailing!

Bullshit. I am not talking about the problems of your Pakistan. I am merely pointing out no one takes your criticisms of US about our social issues when yours are even worse.

Yet you feel superior.....Telling them to leave is a superiority complex! ESP considering they are your next generation while you will die out quicker they are there to stay!

And them wanting US to change to the country they left is a sign of what?

Interesting enough they dont say it to their white citizens who come on the streets you can take the French march, the British riot and the list does go on! No one tells the next generation to leave if they dont see eye to eye with them! Yes you are a special breed in that sense...Not Americans but you in particular!

You do not know what they tell those who do not like certain aspects of their countries. Do not pretend that you do.

And you cant stick to the topic can you? The OP is clearly ABOUT what American children who went through mass shooting trauma want not what a person from a different country want!

Then do not bring other countries' opinions on what Americans should do.

It is their demand that we are discussing and also why such a demand rose...So far you have alienated them and told them to get out of your country....a country equally theirs...

It is their demands that America be like the country they left? Why did they -- or their parents -- leave in the first place?

If you are going to romanticize the country that you left, then why did you leave? That is the question many Americans wondered.

No country is perfect and no American ever said the US is perfect. But what we do say is that we are better. That means there WILL be things in America that do not exist in your country, and many of those things will not be to your taste. The gun culture is one of them.

So yes, if you do not like that ONE aspect of America -- then leave. But if you want to stay and effect a change, then be prepared to meet resistance to that change. This debate is one such resistance and it appears you -- living in Pakistan -- is having a conniption over an American who do not like what you proposed.

So here are your -- not meaning you personally -- options:

1- Leave the US.
2- Stay and be prepared to meet resistance.

Simple as that.

A new word indeed....So new that even the dictionary says look up its sister word: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/religionist

I see avoidance here.

Do YOU approve of priests, imams, and assorted 'holy' men undergoing psych evals? Getting a bit too close to home?

Not the same unless you think owning a gun is a religious duty! Religion is regulated meaning you have a priest, imam or a rabbi! You have schools to teach you religion, you need certification to get to preaching but every idiot can also preach....So, you mean to say you prefer an everyday idiot to preach then an educated one (regulated as per the law)?

Getting a bit nervous, are we?

Schools about religion? A 'divinity' degree? Asserted by whom? God Himself? Or by an ordinary man, flawed just like you and I?

The question is not who I prefer to preach but about the mental state of the person who does the preaching, whether he is 'certified' by the goobermint or by some school. Osama bin Laden was called a 'sheik' by his followers. So who certified him a 'sheik'? What was the consensus of Mohammad Omar to be a 'mullah' who led the Taliban? Who certified Jorge Mario Bergoglio to become Pope Francis?

No, religion and religionists are no more regulated than guns. If you think the madrassas is some kind of legitimate certification authority, then the NRA would qualify as a certifying authority for guns.

Why do you want a regulated teacher for religion but a wild gun law?

I am offering an EQUAL deal.

You demand psych evals for prospective gun buyer? I want psych eval for teachers, doctors, and journalists. Deal?

 

[Dubious]

Convicted felons are not allowed to own guns. So your argument is worthless.

Sure:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44537028

So now it is YOU who derail the thread.

Not at all..I am pointing out a case that if America does xyz it wont be possible due to abc...Too hard for you to follow?

What make you think those examples are worthy to emulate? The citizenry disarmed. To Americans, THAT is a mistake.

Again...This thread is about Americans MUST be like everyone else. Japan, Australia, Europeans, etc.

YOU should start a campaign to educate the rest of the world on not coming to America since we are so resistant on learning from 'superior' cultures.

No one is saying must be...To learn from xyz doesnt make you xyz...What a childish thought?!

Bullshit. I am not talking about the problems of your Pakistan. I am merely pointing out no one takes your criticisms of US about our social issues when yours are even worse.

You were trying to drag in Pakistan since past few threads...And now you are like I am not talking about this...You do need to see a doctor!

As for my criticism I am providing articles and sources as to why xyz is being discussed but you are merely like I am American...superiority complex at its best!

And them wanting US to change to the country they left is a sign of what?

Wait who left? Your next generation left? When?
Your next generation wants America to move to a civilized world rather than cowboy era!

You do not know what they tell those who do not like certain aspects of their countries. Do not pretend that you do.

Here comes the I know it all attitude! A side of superiority complex...

Then do not bring other countries' opinions on what Americans should do.

It is not "OPINIONS" but examples of what America can become...Examples available at your fingertips and examples which your next generation is interested in!

It is their demands that America be like the country they left? Why did they -- or their parents -- leave in the first place?

Who left? Do you even know who you are talking about or are you just trolling?

If you are going to romanticize the country that you left, then why did you leave? That is the question many Americans wondered.

Who left? We are talking about your next generation who are in America!

No country is perfect and no American ever said the US is perfect. But what we do say is that we are better. That means there WILL be things in America that do not exist in your country, and many of those things will not be to your taste. The gun culture is one of them.

Yea so much better....that you jail children in cages! Very much better that your next generation has had enough of guns.......Better at bullying..
Better in some aspects such as economically, freedom of expression but def not better when it comes to security because if America was secure, everyday people wouldnt need guns to "protect themselves" [this alone means the society isnt safe that is why the law has to be taken into their own hands]

So yes, if you do not like that ONE aspect of America -- then leave. But if you want to stay and effect a change, then be prepared to meet resistance to that change. This debate is one such resistance and it appears you -- living in Pakistan -- is having a conniption over an American who do not like what you proposed.

So here are your -- not meaning you personally -- options:

1- Leave the US.
2- Stay and be prepared to meet resistance.

Simple as that.

I am not talking about myself...I am talking about the next generation of Americans...THIS repeated RANT shows me you never read OP!

Read OP first then RANT!

I see avoidance here.

Do YOU approve of priests, imams, and assorted 'holy' men undergoing psych evals? Getting a bit too close to home?

Sure...If that will keep people at peace!

sheik

Sheikh in Arabic is any old man....like Mister or honorable doesnt need an Islamic degree for that

Sheikh can also be a rich influential person - nothing to do with religion!

You sound like those ignorant people who were like Obama went to a madrassah when Madrassah in Arabic is school and many in Indonesia call the EVERYDAY school Madrassah (like how many English words have adapted French words)

Kindly dont venture into a topic you are clueless about!

What was the consensus of Mohammad Omar to be a 'mullah' who led the Taliban?

Many spoke against that (derailing are we?)

https://muslimscondemn.com/

So what quality did KKK have to be "leaders of hatred"? You see, for rating and whatnot some channels promote rubbish for example BBC took it upon itself to interview a bigot (Anjem Choudary) without any religious education as an important person in Islam ....Wonder why they chose him...He was nobody and suddenly he was on BBC every other day uttering BS! Media plays an important role in deciding who becomes the next top model!

Who certified Jorge Mario Bergoglio to become Pope Francis?

That is up to every religious community to decide what counts!

I am offering an EQUAL deal.

You demand psych evals for prospective gun buyer? I want psych eval for teachers, doctors, and journalists. Deal?

That is not equal! Teachers, doctors and journalists each need a license while teachers and doctors need to pass exams to be qualified something gun owners are exempted from! While gun owner in SOME states (I have been going on about some states) are lenient!

 

[VCheng]

So here are your -- not meaning you personally -- options:

1- Leave the US.
2- Stay and be prepared to meet resistance.

Simple as that.

How about a third option? Actively participate in the many due processes available to influence elections and laws and society to help make it a better place.