This is the problem with MOST people! They either want 100% or 0%...No one wants to even try! They want to be shown 100% success rate or not even bother to touch the subject!
Even the best antibacterial soap doesnt give 100% success..even the best vaccine has side effects, even the best anything isnt 100% but the law has to be 100% otherwise no talks?
umm, that show you process zero knowledge on how Law Enforcement works.
Its not the matter that we cannot try, but by definition, this CANNOT be done. Unless we all turn to thought police, Law Enforcement is always going to be passive. Which mean there must be a crime committed before LEA can intervene.
So by your saying if we put our society into the hand of regulation, unless you can provide a regulation that nobody is going to break it, which is by definition, that is impossible. Which render regulation is useless.
Regulation can only work if everyone follow. Just 1% of imperfection would corrupt the regulation effectiveness.
I already said repeatedly ...No one is out to ban them...People are asking for regulating the gun laws ....making it TOUGHER for PEOPLE (criminals and law abiding citizens) to get their hands on guns! You cant regulate one and ignore the other!
You do know US already have gun control law that enact, you cannot just go into Kmart and pick up a weapon and walk out. There are background check, waiting/grace period for all states, and in some states, you need licenses to buy certain weapon.
If you compare gun law between Canada and US, Canada have a much lax gun law than in the US. First of all, Canada does not have Title 2 firearms, which basically barring anyone owning automatic and large calibre weapon. In fact, US gun law is similar than the one Australia have, apart from the fact that you cannot own semi-automatic rifle in Australia (where you can in the US) and a longer grace period (1 year in Australia compare to 5 to 30 days in the US) But if I am up to no good and wanted to get a pistol (like Glock 17), I can do that in both US and Australia and undergo similar process.
Can I see the data on this because to my knowledge that data doesnt exist!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Since I dont like Wiki:
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime/Violent-crime
The stat speaks for itself!
http://fortune.com/2018/02/20/australia-gun-control-success/
“While it is accurate for Mr Howard to assert that gun-related homicides and suicides have dropped since his reforms were implemented, there is more to it. Studies on the impacts of his reforms have come to varied conclusions and experts contacted by Fact Check said other factors would have influenced the drops, even though the reforms are likely to form part of the story.” The ABC report said “social support or government investment in social welfare are common factors that help depress crime rates and could be linked to the drop in firearm homicides and suicides.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/10/australia-gun-control/541710/
Point to be noted, Australia not only regulated gun purchase BUT also increased welfare...and hasnt have a mass shooting ever since! So plenty to learn from!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...shooting-since-1996-heres-what-did/340345002/
I do not have the data now, that is on top of my head, but that make sense.
Because gun related crime in Australia would mean literally every crime related to firearms and imitation firearms.
In the US, it is not a crime to bring an airsoft gun out in public, as long as you have the orange tip. In Australia, owning an airsoft gun itself is a crime. How many people try to import airsoft gun from overseas to Australia? Then you also get done with waving a weapon in OZ is a crime, while in the US, some state allow public carry which is not.
What you compare is "Homicide rate" That does not wholely represent firearms violence.
And no, saying there are no mass shooting after port Arthur is simply NOT TRUE.
There are 4 mass shooting (mass shooting defined as gun related homicide with 4 or more victim) since 2014.
-Osmington shooting - 7 people killed (including the perpetrator) by shotgun.
-Wedderburn shooting - 3 people killed and 1 injured by a lone gunman
-Hunt Family Murder - 5 member of Hunt family killed by Geoff Hunt with 2 pistol
-Lindt Café Siege - 3 people were killed and 1 injured during terrorist attack by Man Monis with a shotgun
Hold manufacturers responsible...If an immigrant with a white cap is caught, Islam is held responsible for his "radicalization"...But if a gun kills tens to hundreds why arent the manufacturers questioned how it got in the hands of a criminal/ terrorist (yes I know white guys cant be terrorist even if they are caught in mass shootings)?
Also, raise awareness about misusing the right!
How do you want to hold "manufacturer" responsible? Should they have a fine every time we have a mass shooting? That would go well.
Next is we will hold car manufacturer responsible when individual driver break the law (like speeding or DUI) and result in any fatal accident. How's that sound? Then I guess what the car manufacturer would do instead of producing car will be making payout after payout to "compensate" the fatal accident.
If you would have say "Gun Dealer" should be penalised for illegally obtaining or selling firearms which result in death, that would make sense, in fact, that is what we are doing right now. But to punish the manufacturer?
Also, as I said before, MORE WHITE were called terrorist in America then Brown people. A quick search of FBI Terrorist database you will see the main threat from terrorism is from domestic group, which mostly anarchist group or white supremacy group. But I honestly doubt you would know name such as Joe Stack, Joe Kane, Jerry Kane, Robert Dear, James Jackson, James Fields and so on, those are all terrorist listed in the FBI terrorism database, and you know what, those name are just from 2010s. And even so, I have not name all of them.
Why does that sound wrong when many of the same people (who refuse this) agreed to "extreme vetting" of immigrants or even descendants of immigrants? Back then it was national security...how is mass shooting not an agenda in national security?
What goes round comes around!
You are talking about Immigrant, how many immigrant per year enter the US? 1 millions? 2 millions? 10 millions? And how many US citizen and non-citizens in the US? about 340 millions?
Also, as many other pointed out, it's one thing to have Biometric done and vetting to Immigrant, another thing to do the same to a US Citizens, US Citizens are protected by US Constitution, immigrant weren't, if they try to fingerprint me in US port of entry, I will sue their arse off.
And how are mass shooting anything related to national security? That was a crime, a heinous one no less but is a crime, that is an law and order issue, not national security issue, so if people kill people, that would bring down the government? LOL what next? Should we consider all the murderer, rapist, arsonist and thief national security risk as well?
Man, you need to learn some politics before venture into issue you do not understand.
It is not just about monitoring...Once you have a system in place alot can be done...Where there is a will there is a way!
A dog is chipped to trace it, but a gun isnt? A vehicle needs clearance and safety checks but a gun ownership / license usually doesnt come with this?
Try following a mixture of other country's models! If it had never been done I could understand this confusion but since it has been done in many countries...It is not a matter of how but when!
That is just one part of the equation, even so, the scales is too big I am not sure anyone can do it. How do you register firearms when
a.) firearms registration number can interchange. In case you know nothing about firearms. Only parts that related to the firing mechanism is counted as a firearms. So for a rifle, only the lower receiver are counted as a firearms. So say we registered that, and how about I put a different lower receiver of the same type of gun, better yet, I make my own lower receiver.
It's the same with a car, yes, you have your engine number and vin number, but what if I change those detail and retain the registration (License Plate) or just change the license plate BEFORE I commit any crime, that effectively making my car untraceable.
b.) the number of people owning the same gun. Many weapon are inherited, or what we called "Grandfathered" from someone. What if I never change the registration and the owner of that gun is my deceased father or grandfather or whatever, and use that to commit crime, which mean you don't just hold and vet record that for people that are currently living. But you are talking about generation and generations of records (a M1911 could have easily change hand 5 times from 5 different generations) now, imagine the paperwork.
Even in Australia, I own 2 pistol, by law I need to keep them in a safe, and by law the copper is coming up to me every 6 months to check if my weapon still safely in the safe, but that does not mean my wife does not have access to the weapon, nor would that mean she will give access to the weapon to a third party, either willingly or unwillingly.
You are talking about firearms, not a dogs or a car, which usually you could count it lucky if you have them for more than 20 years, (which seldomly does in both case) a gun, even modern firearms can have history up to 100 years old and still work, which mean you cannot just register the current owner, but also you will have to accumulate a record of a firearms 100 years long, which basically rendered the whole registration useless.
