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After telecom, India halts Chinese power equipments suppliers

One thing more that is unrelated to the topic is that i don't agree with the statement that Indians don't want Chinese stuff.If they really didn't wanted it the Chinese would not be in India in the first place.

We never said India dosent want china, we were discussing on that particular Product..... Chinese Infrastructure planning, My god they are brilliant, there are several Qualities of china Which India Likes, and Take there help...
 
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One thing more that is unrelated to the topic is that i don't agree with the statement that Indians don't want Chinese stuff.If they really didn't wanted it the Chinese would not be in India in the first place.

that's just us being patriotic :D (in reality we do buy a lot of chinese stuff)
In my humble opinion it is very good to have Chinese companies enter Indian markets (as long as our companies can access theirs) since they give good competition to our local companies. I read sometime ago that in the olden days our motorbike makers were happily churning out same 25yrs (just an assumption for explanation) bikes, but when news came in that Chinese companies were planning to enter the market, it sent our local companies in overdrive to make high quality and much more market oriented bikes.
Going by that logic it would be good to give more competition to our local companies and make them work to earn our money. Oh the joys of capitalism :smitten:
 
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For all who have doubts why smaller Indian companies are preferred over huge Chinese companies. Compare these :

Chinese companies in contract

Harbin Power Equipment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shanghai Electric Group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dongfang Electric - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Indian companies in contract

Larsen & Toubro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia









Disclaimer:- Not for faint hearts and non wiki believers.
well that should clear the air:toast_sign::toast_sign:L&T is a very big company
 
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1. Those who are arguing for chinese don't know that chinese power equipments are imported "100% Duty Free".

They don't pay any duty so they are cheaper then Indian power equipments as Indian companies have to pay various taxes.

2. Indian companies gives tax o govt. contributed to economy and provides jobs to millions of people. Also, gives jobs to several related industries and sectors.

3. chinese imports are killing our Indian companies are hey are not getting big orders. It will economical loss and loss to jobs.

4. chinese are getting unfair advantage.
 
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I loled at the people that said our power equipment was low quality.

if it was truly low quality, then the market would've wiped it out.

fact is, 90% of people here don't even know what is high quality and what is low quality in power machinery. if the professionals working with the machines decided to install them, who are nonprofessionals that don't even know the difference between a good and bad turbine to talk about anything?

cost being higher doesn't mean quality is higher, it means cost is higher, period.
 
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I loled at the people that said our power equipment was low quality.

if it was truly low quality, then the market would've wiped it out.

fact is, 90% of people here don't even know what is high quality and what is low quality in power machinery. if the professionals working with the machines decided to install them, who are nonprofessionals that don't even know the difference between a good and bad turbine to talk about anything?

cost being higher doesn't mean quality is higher, it means cost is higher, period.

just look at it this way my bro, if dem indians scare of our low quality products how they gonna compete with our high end products? lol
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when Indian manufacturers were being changed 50% more when they export to china,why cant the Indian gov do the same to chinese suppliers?

Yeah u charge thm back but halting the product is sumthing different.

Isnt it unfair tht if chinese are giving ur companies sum challenge thn stop those chinese companies from selling their products.

This is alike Tit for Tat game.
And tits are of many types.Like subsidising the local companies,providing tax exemptions,levies,.......
But you know what happens when the above occurs? Economy grows but gov looses revenues.And India being a developing country and is having a huge tax deficit ,providing tax ememptions is not the solution of the day.

But banning a company that is being unfair in the trade game is the best shot at will.Domestic cos will create more employment and can increase their production(forget about exports,lets take care of current day domestic consumption which is literally in billions of USD).This way it is a win-win for both gov and local manufacturer.Gov gets its revenue and the company can make some decent profits while providing some extra employment.

And its completely ridiculous that chinese are putting competition to Indian elites,its the other way around and you see the clear picture by the way they were offered goodies by their government in all possible means to cope up with thier competitors.

But one has to understand the logical move behind the ban on a particular company.It has as many side effects which ofcourse are long term.This trashes the company profile in the market.Its current customers once moved to other vendor will find a change in quality and thereby sticking to that vendor( though a 15% up price).And this will take lots of efforts and money to make a comeback into the market.and the virtual uncertainity of this X company doing business in the market will make its long term customers think about it.

though off-topic,but its totally related in a sense to my previous statement.One of my school mate who is now in a topmost position in The largets private mobile operator in India is instrumental in choosing a vendor for his companies wireless equipment.After the recent hallah-bollah of ZTE and huwaei ,though his company used to have huwaei on their vendors list along with other western,they completely got rid of it after they scored as many 3G spectrum bids.3G is going to be a high end battle for marketisation in the Indian telecom sector.They dont want to take their chance by have an uncertainity coulded vendor whom they source their equipment from.They already hit a jackpot in Africa with a major aquisition and can easily throw biscuits at as many vendors who are after this company.He said,after this new aquisition his company is offered prices comparable to the ones offered by chinese makers.Now that only western ones are in the game,they are fighting each other to grab that chunk.They are lowering the prices incredibly.He is also confident that he will only source those high grade equipment for all his 3G networks.(its fair enough to conclude that the chinese makers took a great whip with just a word BAN)

this is similar to trusting a bankruptcy filed company.Taking 100% chances.Means a risky business.
 
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Indian customers are all large power companies,they know what they want and need,they buy the equipment which their domestic enterprises can not produce from Chiese companies, istead buy them from Siemens and other west companies with higher cost~I don't know what is the matter with the gov,so sensitive~~They angery bcs Chinese give a lower cost compared with Western companies,If the Indian company can product these equipment then the cost must lower than Chinese company.what a silly idea the politician has~~
 
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Hope India keeps doing this to China.Will ensure that any goodwill about India in China is finished.

There is a thread running on this forum describing the goodwill for Pakistan in China with the 150 faulty rail engines. Keep earning that good will. Good luck dear Sir.
 
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We are already running on a loss and not just with china with almost any country but that doesn't mean we cry and just cut off trade ties.

If you are so concerned about your industries you should probably revert back to your old communist doctrine.You people love to eat the fruits of capitalism but don't want to pay its price.

Yes you have an adverse balance of trade with every country. No surprise because of your earlier post regarding the genre and existence of trade.

And you also are doing the trade with China for a benefit. What is the benefit? You do not have your own manufacturing because traders have always been at the forefront of politics so they never let local manufacturing be set up. Whatever was has been now subjected to institutionalised corruption and on top of it now your budget cannot be balanced without adding aids of all natures and values. So what else are your options if not buying from brother China who has been systematically killing manufacturing in your country?

By the way, ever thought why you have an adverse balance of trade with all of your trading partners?
 
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Chinese are not selling anything illegal.This is the age of globalization and if your products can not compete in cost or quality they are bound to be vanished.If you cannot compete china in cost then compete them in quality and high tech there is a reason why Siemens hasn't been bankrupted yet.

Revisit the article and read again till you find these key words:

Undervalued Yuan.
Subsidies on exports.
Tariff and non-tariff barriers of up to 50% on imports.

You will understand what is illegal.
 
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