After telecom, India halts Chinese power equipments suppliers

[SpArK]

Now you are getting my point.You import the thing you cannot make so if you ban the thing which you cannot import who will suffer?

Nobody talked about things we can make.. The companies which are competing with Chinese are huge and is globally present .Read my earlier post about these 2 companies.

I know China has not been banned when i say China i mean the specific Chinese goods that have been banned.So just think if India can do better and have higher quality then Chinese then why do you need bans to support Indian industry?

Not all Chinese specific goods. Goods which are of concerned are banned.

 

[Mauryan]

If your Industries make better items and Indian People prefer to buy them why in the world does your government have to ban Chinese?

To say the least,customer mindset is different to a supplier mindset.A customer in general looks for a variety of options to satify his needs.
I was working for the past 30 years and Sam recently got employed in my company.Me and Sam does shopping every day to buy all day to day needs from grocereis to high end electronics.I go to loblaws and Costco to buy my grocereis while Sam goes to the next door price chopper.But when buying the electronics Sam chooses to buy from walmart while me not.And sam start complaining about his Plasma TV after a 6 months and runs to walmart carrying his receipt and warranty while me sittying in my comfy recliner and enjoying the Office comedy show and HD movies from Rogers cable.

In India the situation is comparable to the Ashoka and Sam here.We see many new companies venturing into power sector and telephony every year.Also we see many companies that were established decades back in the same sectors.The mindset of newcommers is totally different to those of well settled ones.And if your are any intelligent soul,look at the supplier chair of the well established ones and those of new ones.You will definitely change your opinion and your statement.

Didnt we just heard in the same report that is talking about the quality and post installation support?

Look at the customer base of BHEL and L&T and compare that to these so called chinese suppliers.Again you will find your own educator.

There is something called rule of the land.It means everyone should be treated equally with no partiality.If chinese gov is partial to chinese suppliers,India gov has to compensate that by leveraging.when the costs are made equal,then the customer gets a fair chance to choose from different vendors based on quality and other long term support related terms.

 

[Haanzo]

Wah i love Indian hypocrisy when they talk about trade.India is like we should do trade as long as WE benefit from it.

THIS IS THE DUMBEST STATEMENT EVER mr.einstien/newton why the hell do countries trade ....NOT TO MAKE LOSS BUT TO GAIN FROM IT .....better think before typing

 

[Mauryan]

THIS IS THE DUMBEST STATEMENT EVER mr.einstien/newton why the hell do countries trade ....NOT TO MAKE LOSS BUT TO GAIN FROM IT .....better think before typing

LoL............... My first one liner ever on this forum

 

[IndianArmy]

Now you are getting my point.You import the thing you cannot make so if you ban the thing which you cannot import who will suffer?

As you live India so well i have no other choice then to accept your words about your government.

I know China has not been banned when i say China i mean the specific Chinese goods that have been banned.So just think if India can do better and have higher quality then Chinese then why do you need bans to support Indian industry?

No there are not any well established Indian Companies in Pakistan at least not according to my knowledge.Although someone posted here on PDF that TATA had Plans to launch NANO in Pakistan before Mumbai.

Actually You misunderstood, India cut the Imports beacause India Can manufacture same products with better quality, not that We are banning the Chinese products and Sitting idle....

We banned those products to Support Domestic Markets, As our markets were not able to give subsidy but could make better quality Equipments... So Our govt Wanted to Support domestic Markets rather Supporting Cheap Chinese products....

And Bans were Important because We need every one to rely on domestic products , Which would grow our economy, Cut Imports rely on domestic products, Create opportunity for Exports Instead..


And Hows reliance In Pakistan, not established?

 

[SpArK]

For all who have doubts why smaller Indian companies are preferred over huge Chinese companies. Compare these :

Chinese companies in contract

Harbin Power Equipment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shanghai Electric Group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dongfang Electric - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Indian companies in contract

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larsen_%26_Toubro

Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia








Disclaimer:- Not for faint hearts and non wiki believers.

 

[mikkix]

whats happening in Pakistan is your problem .. When India has better alternative options from domestic industries which would help both domestic industries and quality of the equipment, why should we not go for it ?



We are concerned about our industries and that's why we grow..
BTW....Enlighten me on our "old communist doctrine" ?

Why pay the price of capitalism when there is an second option of not to pay the price ? This has nothing to do with china....it would be the same case even if we where buying poor quality equipment from any other country..

I do agree with my indian bro....
what india feels right is what he does....
I think we should take it as a trade....
No hypocrisy there...
Its patriotism..

 

[pak-yes]

To say the least,customer mindset is different to a supplier mindset.A customer in general looks for a variety of options to satify his needs.
I was working for the past 30 years and Sam recently got employed in my company.Me and Sam does shopping every day to buy all day to day needs from grocereis to high end electronics.I go to loblaws and Costco to buy my grocereis while Sam goes to the next door price chopper.But when buying the electronics Sam chooses to buy from walmart while me not.And sam start complaining about his Plasma TV after a 6 months and runs to walmart carrying his receipt and warranty while me sittying in my comfy recliner and enjoying the Office comedy show and HD movies from Rogers cable.

In India the situation is comparable to the Ashoka and Sam here.We see many new companies venturing into power sector and telephony every year.Also we see many companies that were established decades back in the same sectors.The mindset of newcommers is totally different to those of well settled ones.And if your are any intelligent soul,look at the supplier chair of the well established ones and those of new ones.You will definitely change your opinion and your statement.

Didnt we just heard in the same report that is talking about the quality and post installation support?

Look at the customer base of BHEL and L&T and compare that to these so called chinese suppliers.Again you will find your own educator.

There is something called rule of the land.It means everyone should be treated equally with no partiality.If chinese gov is partial to chinese suppliers,India gov has to compensate that by leveraging.when the costs are made equal,then the customer gets a fair chance to choose from different vendors based on quality and other long term support related terms.

Hmm Good.But does it really tell the non-Competitive practices in which India is engaged.If you cannot compete with someone does it really mean that you should just throw them away.Consumer when buying will not see whether the playing field is leveled or not he will either choose cheap or quality and by banning Chinese you depriving consumer from choice.

 

[genetic_nomad]

mauryan summed it up well few posts back. Chinese govt subsidizes local power companies significantly, and charges high taxes on imports. They have been using protectionist trade laws for a very long time, and its not just India, even U.S. is beginning to take counter-measures against it. Competition is good, but it needs to be done on a level playing field.

 

[pak-yes]

Actually You misunderstood, India cut the Imports beacause India Can manufacture same products with better quality, not that We are banning the Chinese products and Sitting idle....

We banned those products to Support Domestic Markets, As our markets were not able to give subsidy but could make better quality Equipments... So Our govt Wanted to Support domestic Markets rather Supporting Cheap Chinese products....

And Bans were Important because We need every one to rely on domestic products , Which would grow our economy, Cut Imports rely on domestic products, Create opportunity for Exports Instead..


And Hows reliance In Pakistan, not established?

lol.You are getting on the same point.When you people can manufacture better than the Chinese why do you need to engage in ban game.After all patriotic Indian people would throw away cheap Chinese things with high quality Indian Ones. Doesn't the ban Indicates otherwise?

 

[genetic_nomad]

Hmm Good.But does it really tell the non-Competitive practices in which India is engaged.If you cannot compete with someone does it really mean that you should just throw them away.Consumer when buying will not see whether the playing field is leveled or not he will either choose cheap or quality and by banning Chinese you depriving consumer from choice.

merely asking the Chinese govt. (to remove the high import fees/remove subsidies) hasn't work till now. That's why other countries (U.S./India) are trying different options. May be financial loss will force them take notice and change their policies.
I would certainly prefer equitable tax policies so that even our Indian companies can compete in Chinese markets.

 

[SpArK]

Hmm Good.But does it really tell the non-Competitive practices in which India is engaged.If you cannot compete with someone does it really mean that you should just throw them away.Consumer when buying will not see whether the playing field is leveled or not he will either choose cheap or quality and by banning Chinese you depriving consumer from choice.

Sorry when we have someone capable of doing the business better. ( as evident from the links i gave), we prefer them.

We prefer external companies mostly when we have less capabilities in that particular field.

For us steps towards self reliance in capable fields are very important because we prefer to stand on our own legs.

 

[pak-yes]

merely asking the Chinese govt. (to remove the high import fees/remove subsidies) hasn't work till now. That's why other countries (U.S./India) are trying different options. May be financial loss will force them take notice and change their policies.
I would certainly prefer equitable tax policies so that even our Indian companies can compete in Chinese markets.

subsides of what kind?Elaborate?

 

[IndianArmy]

lol.You are getting on the same point.When you people can manufacture better than the Chinese why do you need to engage in ban game.After all patriotic Indian people would throw away cheap Chinese things with high quality Indian Ones. Doesn't the ban Indicates otherwise?

Iam sorry, Iam not able to Understand You, Might be Iam too Old or not matured enough to Pick Your point.... But I would Certainly want to give you an Example

When You can get pencil near by you, would you still go far away to get A cheap pencil??? U normally would Ignore the Far away store as you get good Pencils Near u.... Basic human tendency Implied...

So India stopped Imports and started Generating its own Product. Am I still Going nowhere But Circling round and round in the same Point???

 

[genetic_nomad]

subsides of what kind?Elaborate?

the article mentions that the Chinese govt. provides significant subsidies and benefits from the undervalued currency. read the first two paras, you'll see. plus this is almost common knowledge these days.
As a side-note, U.S. also recently imposed import tariff (35-25&#37 on chinese tires and steel pipes (not sure on the tariff on this), because of Chinese protectionist policies. As I see it, diplomacy isn't working and financial penalties seem to be the only viable choice left to make the business environment fair for all companies.