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AF's plan to replace ailing MiG with 'Make in India' combat aircraft heading for trouble



NEW DELHI: An Indian Air Force plan to replace its MiG fighter fleet with a 'Made in India' combat aircraft is heading for trouble. As of now the choice is between two aircraft from Sweden and the US, both of which failed a comprehensive technical evaluation process in 2010. Plus, there are grumbles that other countries which have fighter jets were not called at all.

ET spoke to senior officials for this report. They did not want to be identified. An IAF spokesperson told ET he could not comment on the issue.

IAF's communication to the US and Sweden earlier this month said the force was looking for a modern, proven single-engine fighter aircraft in operational service. IAF didn’t offer any details of minimum performance levels, asking only for a "4th generation fighter" — a broad qualification that also fits India’s long-under-development light combat aircraft (LCA).

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Industry experts, who spoke off record, said IAF's approach so far can get the force into a single vendor situation and, therefore, a recipe for slowdown in decision-making.

A single vendor situation often leads to questions over fairness in the selection process. The aim is to make a choice from a multiple vendor situation.

People familiar with the situation said since IAF's communication asked for fighters in operational service, there was little logic in restricting it to Sweden (which has Saab-manufactured Gripen) and the US (which offers Lockheed Martin's F-16).

This, said experts, is even more surprising given that Gripen and F-16 didn't make the cut after IAF held an evaluation exercise in 2010. France's Mirage 2000, no longer in production but in service, could have also met IAF’s broad criteria.

Plus, before a 'Make in India' plan for fighter aircraft can start, the defence ministry will have to move ahead on its Strategic Partnership (SP) model, which will provide guidelines for private sector companies participating in major military manufacturing programmes.

Among other questions the SP model is yet to address are the issues on long-term agreements with private sector companies and the role of public sector defence units.
 
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F 16 or Gripen both make sense to replace MiGs. Yes, both these fighter may be not as good as Rafale, but saying that F 16 is not good enough to replace MiGs is taking things a little bit far. There are more than 4000 f 16s produced and US plans to keep them until 2040's say a lot about its performance.
 
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Very illogical reasoning, Only minus is for Tejas. Tejas will get technology, but will not be in numbers. Hence It will not be wise for IAF to invest more in Tejas... F-16 OR Gripen can even replace Mirage-2000, Jaguars and Mig-29s. So a Huge number of any one of these is expected. i.e atleast 300
 
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So does anyone know why France and Russia were not invited? And also why the rush now, as far as i heard India was mass-producing Tejas and they already has 2 squadrons raised.
 
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journo shilling for russkies and french? which trouble to be specific? its not single vendor situation. liar
 
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This whole concept is beyond bloody stupid. Why on Earth would you buy another Light Weight Fighter when you have the Tejas? Just focus on mass producing that, why create such a big hodge podge of a million different aircraft?

Do MII for the roughly 200 Rafales the IAF needs in Medium category and that's it. We have no need for Gripens and especially not for F16's which are an incredibly old design.

The only way buying F16's would even make sense is if we are buying them to screw with PAF's force composition/planning, since it would be suicidal for them to operate F16's as frontline fighters once we get an even more advanced version in our service.
 
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India has a massive twin engines fleet.

It needs a single engines late 4th generation model fighter and it needs very large nos..

India is looking to induct 250 single engined fighters between now and 2025.

The fighters have to have minimum criteria including aesa radars.

This will only be possible if India inducts

F16 in license build in India x 129 planes
And continues with 120 tejasmk1.

It does mean the mark two will be cancelled by 2025 India will have 600fighters

270 su30mki
36,rafale and 50 mirage 2000/5
120 f16/70
120 tejas

All migs including mig29 will have been retired

The Lockheed Martin company are ready to hand the entire production line to India including transfer of technology

This will give jobs fighters and planes

It will cost 15 to 20 billion dollars
 
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India has a massive twin engines fleet.

It needs a single engines late 4th generation model fighter and it needs very large nos..

India is looking to induct 250 single engined fighters between now and 2025.

The fighters have to have minimum criteria including aesa radars.

This will only be possible if India inducts

F16 in license build in India x 129 planes
And continues with 120 tejasmk1.

It does mean the mark two will be cancelled by 2025 India will have 600fighters

270 su30mki
36,rafale and 50 mirage 2000/5
120 f16/70
120 tejas

All migs including mig29 will have been retired

The Lockheed Martin company are ready to hand the entire production line to India including transfer of technology

This will give jobs fighters and planes

It will cost 15 to 20 billion dollars
Illogical,better to continue with rafale in large numbers and devilop mk2 version of LCA instead of f16/gripen.
Don't know what iaf wants with F16,we aren't and can't fight with China even with f16,and present shape of iaf is more than enough to have superiority against paf. So logical option is to pursue mk2 and amca ...
 
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Illogical,better to continue with rafale in large numbers and devilop mk2 version of LCA instead of f16/gripen.
Don't know what iaf wants with F16,we aren't and can't fight with China even with f16,and present shape of iaf is more than enough to have superiority against paf. So logical option is to pursue mk2 and amca ...

If we end up getting F16s, I have serious doubt that it was a behind the scenes agreement between leaders of US and India that in exchange for advanced hardware (like drones) or support on international issues (cross border strike, MTCR membership etc) and greater cooperation overall, we would give Lockheed Martin some business. This whole LWF tender just doesn't make sense any other way.
 
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i have serious doubt over Tejas now.. @PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy ..First why IAF wants it when we already have tejas on development.. ? second.. if IAF do go for F16 or gripen does it mean Tejas v2 will be cancelled??
 
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If we end up getting F16s, I have serious doubt that it was a behind the scenes agreement between leaders of US and India that in exchange for advanced hardware (like drones) or support on international issues (cross border strike, MTCR membership etc) and greater cooperation overall, we would give Lockheed Martin some business. This whole LWF tender just doesn't make sense any other way.
Then let it be f35. No where heard such thing that a customer declared a product as mediocre for its uses by thorough checks 2010,and after 7 years its thinking of inducting that platform with minor changes.
 
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i have serious doubt over Tejas now.. @PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy ..First why IAF wants it when we already have tejas on development.. ? second.. if IAF do go for F16 or gripen does it mean Tejas v2 will be cancelled??

Wasn't Tejas Mk2 cancelled anyways? I thought the first squadron would be Tejas Mk1, and the rest would be MK1A which had some important changes from MK1 without fully meeting MK2 specs. But overall you are right, I think this calls Tejas's future into question.
 
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Thing Is Orignal MMRCA hadf two kinds of MRCA fighters in mind from the very start one long endurance medium weight twin engined (rafale) and other was medium endurance medium weight single engined (F16) and IAF wanted Rafale and F16 from the very start but SAAB played games and so dod one other non russian acompany with elments of IAF top brass and MOD baboons did every thing to sabotage it which was instrumental is delaying the deal for over at least 2-3 years if not more

now dcoming to current level

the Blk60 IN level F16 had some issues but the new Blk70/72 is totally new figter which is on par if not better to rafale on most counts (apart from range and payload capacity and flieght sieling) and with comparrission to what kind of F16 we have in our neighbourhood its like diffrence between a 1990s era desktop to a 2016 era desktop in every department rest you can calculate yourself

as for fight between F16 Blk70/72 and Grippen E well there is no contest as F16 is twice as capable as Grippen E in most department but has same price and requires same ammount of mantinence and swedes can never give the same ammount of polictical milage as the yamrican can so the deal is already going to LM
 
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The BLOCK 70 is coming to india...

This deal is the real MMRCA winner

RAFALE lost the MMRCA just got a token prize...of 36 FIGHTERS. but THAT TOKEN will grown I predict india not buyinmg the PAK FA and ordering 36 more rafales in 2022 once first batch is ordered

FUTURE IAF will consist of

Rafale = Top End fighters cutting edge x 72
Su30mki/supermki x 270 Fighter IAF backbone mainstay
F16/70 X 140 planes lightweogfht mrca built in india policy
Tejas x 100 fighters = token indian indenguious effort LCA.
Mirage2000/5 x 50 UNTIL 2035

Everything will be scrapped
 
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