AF's plan to replace ailing MiG with 'Make in India' combat aircraft heading for trouble

[Hindustani78]

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In August 1951, the HT-2 Trainer aircraft, designed and produced by the company under the able leadership of Dr. V.M.Ghatge flew for the first time. Nearly 200 Trainers were manufactured and supplied to the Indian Air Force and other customers. With the gradual building up of its design capability, the company successfully designed and developed four other aircraft i.e. two seater 'Pushpak' suitable for flying clubs, 'Krishak' for Air Observatory Post(AOP) role, HF-24 Jet Fighter '(Marut)' and the HJT-16 Basic Jet Trainer '(Kiran)'.

Out of 29 types of aircraft produced so far, 15 have been of indigenous design. The Company has long experience in design and manufacture of a diversified range of aircraft and its systems. For further growth of the Company it was considered necessary for HAL to strengthen its R&D capability and accordingly the erstwhile Design Bureaus have been restructured and reorganised into the following R&D Centers :

 

[Hassan Guy]

Why are they looking for another single engine aircraft, What happened to Tejas??

 

[Centurion2016]

Why are they looking for another single engine aircraft, What happened to Tejas??

India losing over 200 fighters in obsolete migs

Need 200 fighters inside 6 years

Two lines needed 120 tejas between now and 2025

Second line 120 F16 between 2018- 2025

All migs replaced by nearly 250 F16/LCA tejas combined

 

[singlefighter]

Why india does not try to build another assembly line of Teja jets with some industrial giants like TATA or Reliance or some one else to speed up the project like 50 aircraft rolling out yearly they can easily overcome the shortage of jet and retired the old MiG 21 and latter Mig 29 through this process they can enhance the capabilities of local industry into convert them defence industry even might one of the local partner can start development on modern avionics and more reliable engines and they can give boost to your engineers for future programs.

 

[Centurion2016]

It aviation sector needs modern cutting technology the block 70 will give India that technology

Second India needs world class manufacturing know how I've how to build 25 fighters a year or more

At present su30 Mki license assembly runs at fifteen per year and Tejas and barely six or seven units per year

India needs help who better than Lockheed Martin

 

[raj76]

Why india does not try to build another assembly line of Teja jets with some industrial giants like TATA or Reliance or some one else to speed up the project like 50 aircraft rolling out yearly they can easily overcome the shortage of jet and retired the old MiG 21 and latter Mig 29 through this process they can enhance the capabilities of local industry into convert them defence industry even might one of the local partner can start development on modern avionics and more reliable engines and they can give boost to your engineers for future programs.

its operational but still not mature before churning them in 100s they still need alot a tech upgrades

 

[dadeechi]

Why are they looking for another single engine aircraft, What happened to Tejas??

We need Teens now while Tejas is still a growing kid and needs another decade to attain maturity.

 

[lonelyman]

Why are they looking for another single engine aircraft, What happened to Tejas??

Obvious despite Indian members huffing and puffing, Tejas sucks, nobody wants it even their own Air Force

 

[dadeechi]

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A small country like Israel has better defense tech than China. What a shame.

 

[ziaulislam]

Obvious despite Indian members huffing and puffing, Tejas sucks, nobody wants it even their own Air Force

its aboout kick backs, each minister wants kick backs the more the better
by 2025 india will have 10 different types of fighters with n operational nightmare

 

[lonelyman]

its aboout kick backs, each minister wants kick backs the more the better
by 2025 india will have 10 different types of fighters with n operational nightmare

Agree, logistics nightmare, crazy Indians, a collection of available fighters from all over the world, we should sell them j-10 to make it complete

 

[Hassan Guy]

A small country like Israel has better defense tech than China. What a shame.

 

[MilSpec]

AF's plan to replace ailing MiG with 'Make in India' combat aircraft heading for trouble



NEW DELHI: An Indian Air Force plan to replace its MiG fighter fleet with a 'Made in India' combat aircraft is heading for trouble. As of now the choice is between two aircraft from Sweden and the US, both of which failed a comprehensive technical evaluation process in 2010. Plus, there are grumbles that other countries which have fighter jets were not called at all.

ET spoke to senior officials for this report. They did not want to be identified. An IAF spokesperson told ET he could not comment on the issue.

IAF's communication to the US and Sweden earlier this month said the force was looking for a modern, proven single-engine fighter aircraft in operational service. IAF didn’t offer any details of minimum performance levels, asking only for a "4th generation fighter" — a broad qualification that also fits India’s long-under-development light combat aircraft (LCA).

Industry experts, who spoke off record, said IAF's approach so far can get the force into a single vendor situation and, therefore, a recipe for slowdown in decision-making.

A single vendor situation often leads to questions over fairness in the selection process. The aim is to make a choice from a multiple vendor situation.

People familiar with the situation said since IAF's communication asked for fighters in operational service, there was little logic in restricting it to Sweden (which has Saab-manufactured Gripen) and the US (which offers Lockheed Martin's F-16).

This, said experts, is even more surprising given that Gripen and F-16 didn't make the cut after IAF held an evaluation exercise in 2010. France's Mirage 2000, no longer in production but in service, could have also met IAF’s broad criteria.

Plus, before a 'Make in India' plan for fighter aircraft can start, the defence ministry will have to move ahead on its Strategic Partnership (SP) model, which will provide guidelines for private sector companies participating in major military manufacturing programmes.

Among other questions the SP model is yet to address are the issues on long-term agreements with private sector companies and the role of public sector defence units.

Myopic view by the author. There is enough space of both LCA 1P, LCA Mk2 and about 7 sqdns of LWF. IAF revamp will take it to position about much higher number than anticipated earlier.

i have serious doubt over Tejas now.. @PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy ..First why IAF wants it when we already have tejas on development.. ? second.. if IAF do go for F16 or gripen does it mean Tejas v2 will be cancelled??

no it won't , there is ample space for both.

 

[Spectre]

Myopic view by the author. There is enough space of both LCA 1P, LCA Mk2 and about 7 sqdns of LWF. IAF revamp will take it to position about much higher number than anticipated earlier.


no it won't , there is ample space for both.

Look at IAF going from L to XL and I am trying to do the reverse.

 

[Khafee]

the Blk60 IN level F16 had some issues but the new Blk70/72 is totally new figter which is on par if not better to rafale on most counts (apart from range and payload capacity and flieght sieling) and with comparrission to what kind of F16 we have in our neighbourhood its like diffrence between a 1990s era desktop to a 2016 era desktop in every department rest you can calculate yourself

Care to share your sources?