95% of all Hindu temples in Pakistan have been destroyed or converted since 1990

[Black Widow]

This is not our belief and in fact many historians have rubbished this already. It is true though that before the rise of Islam you had idol-worshippers, devil/djinn worshippers and other small groups with their own ideals.

From the same Wikipedia page where you copied + pasted your post above, maybe you'll find some accounts of that as well.

The rest of your post is garbage and just goes to show what years of hindutva brain-washing does to the brain

Off course u will deny every thing... it was expected ...

@Abu Zolfiqar I asked 2 questions previously. Can you give some genuine reply. Questions as below,

1) If you insult Islam, Quran asks to give death penalth. What is the penalty given in Quran if a Muslim insults other religion?

2) If you convert from Muslim to other religion, Quran asks to give death penalth. What is the penalty given in Quran for converting from Hindu/SIkh/.Christian to Muslim?

3) If Quran prescribes penalty to Muslims for above two, then which country or Muslim organisation in world is following Islam as per your opinion?
I ask this because I don't see any country with rules from Quran to penalise Muslims for above crimes (like SA, Pak,Qatar, Iran, Indonesia etc, LET, Mohamed Hafeez, etc).

I added one more question above.

Please post relevent quote/hadith (if feasible for you not necessary!!)

1. Yes Insulting Islam means death penalty. That is called blasphemy.
2. Only when the converted person persuade other Muslims to leave Islam.
3. Conversion is base of Islam, so any one converted to Islam is Ok, Any one leaving Islam is not OK.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

You say that when tensions in Gujrat are rising now. Just recently thousands of Muslims in Assam had to run for their lives crossing into Bhutan. No need for you to worry about fears of life in Pakistan. Look at your own country.

They did not cross into Bhutan. Bhutanese people can't stand them. They went back to BD.

 

[doppelganger]

I do not understand what all this fuss about idol worship is. Really.

Do people honestly feel we worship the idols per se and not the God they are meant to depict?

How is it any different from a Christian and his cross or a Muslim and his tabeez/rosary/black stone?

Its symbolism, and anything else is merely splitting hairs, trying to show a differentiation, an imaginary evolution.

 

[Srinivas]

Christians and Muslims do some kind of Idol Worship, they even worship normal humans (holy people) knowingly/unknowingly.

I do not understand what all this fuss about idol worship is. Really.

Do people honestly feel we worship the idols per se and not the God they are meant to depict?

How is it any different from a Christian and his cross or a Muslim and his tabeez/rosary/black stone?

Its symbolism, and anything else is merely splitting hairs, trying to show a differentiation, an imaginary evolution.

 

[doppelganger]

Christians and Muslims do some kind of Idol Worship, they even worship normal humans (holy people) knowingly/unknowingly.

Well, so do we. My point is, we are no different.

 

[Arya Desa]

Why are muslims so intolerant yet they cry victim in other people's countries?

The muslims fight with:
Hindus
Sikhs
Buddhists (Seriously with Buddhists!)
Christians
Catholics
Traditional African Folk Religionists
Jews
Ismailis
Ahmediyyas
Basically everyone.

In the continents of:
North America
Europe
Asia
Africa

 

[Imran Khan]

Religions sucks

 

[Sugarcane]

That must be some kind of breeding, huh!!! At 30 million total population at partition, Hindu population in Pakistan was 9 million. Now it is less than 3 million. Common sense of course.

Can you tell me total population of Muslims in East Punjab at partition and now?



@ Topic: I know saffron brigade has posted the article for reason here and reason can be anything other than understanding the problem.

Yes - Record of Pakistan on treatment of minorities is bad but Indians should be last taking potshot over this.
Yes - Hindu temples are destroyed post partition but again Indians should be last taking potshot over this as well.

Pakistani govt. is probably the worst in world when it's about caring and protecting heritage and historical sites which includes Mosques and historic sites affiliated with Muslims, Anyone who have been to Pakistan and have visited historic mosques and place will know in how much bad conditions these are. On top of that land mafias (which even don't spare grave yards - you can find thousands of grave yards with illegal encroachments) and corruption in ETPB - Unlike historic mosques most of these historic temples if not all became inactive after migration, so there was no Hindu to raise voice against illegal sales, leasing by ETPB or encroachments by land mafia, if there were some small community living near by simply didn't object (most probably because of threats).

Only recently minorities have started raising their voice because of free media (Despite many blunders perhaps this is one of good thing which General Musharraf did), so in past couple of years govt. of Punjab and KPK did some effort to regain, restore and protect historical sites. Media should keep pressure on govt. by highlighting the issue more often.

And government should form body like PSGPC for Sikh for Hindus as well and give control of all Hindu sites to that body and let them manage. Condition of Gurdwaras have been improved drastically under PSGPC, i am sure condition of temples will also improve if we let Hindus to manage it and it can bring tourists as well.


PS: Post above is not meant to justify what Sarkari Muslims do with minorities.

 

[Infinity]

RSS says it converted 200 Muslims into Hindus in Agra
IndiaToday.in Agra, December 9, 2014 | UPDATED 12:56 IST

Picture for representation only. (Photo: PTI)An offshoot of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) on Monday claimed to have converted at least 57 Muslim families into Hinduism at a 'Purkhon ki ghar vapsi' (Coming home of the ancestors) ceremony in Uttar Pradesh's Agra district.

At the mass conversion ceremony, organised jointly by Dharma Jagran Samanvay Vibhag and Bajrang Dal, the right-wing groups said they were able to bring more than 200 Muslims "back to Hinduism" at Madhunagar slum area of the city. The organisers said the converts will soon be given new names.

The organisers, who had put saffron flags on the rooftops of the makeshift houses in Madhunagar, chanted hymns as the Muslim families washed the feet of Hindu idols to mark their return to the Hindu religion. The RSS and Bajrang Dal members prepared a list of all the 'converts' to get their voter IDs and Aadhaar cards made with their new names.




The BJP has defended the event. "People should be free to choose their own religion. If they have again adopted Hinduism, there is no harm," senior party leader Vinay Katiyar told Headlines Today.

"This is all planned and will continue for the next five years," the Nationalist Congress Party's Tariq Anwar said.

An RSS official said 5000 more Muslims and Christians will be "brought back into the Hindu fold" in Aligarh district on Christmas later this month. "The grand event will be held at Maheshwari College in Aligarh," he is quoted as telling a newspaper.

The official claimed that the RSS spends Rs.50 lakh every month on the conversion of an average 1000 Muslim and Christian families. He also claimed that the RSS has taken over about 60 churches across Uttar Pradesh. "One day these churches will crumble and our country will belong to the Hindus alone," he told a newspaper

 

[PlanetWarrior]

we recognize our problems and will tend to them; i suggest you idiots do the same for your country - which has its fair share of blemishes as we are seeing every day

I seriously do not believe that you "recognize our problems" if your posts on this thread are anything to judge by as the average educated Pakistani mindset. In fact, you seem to justify the destruction of these temples as a kind of tit for tat retaliation against incidences of perceived Hindu intolerance towards Muslims in India. What remains absolutely clear is that not only do the educated and outspoken in Pakistan support these acts of religious intolerance but so does the government of Pakistan. That government spokesperson who remarked that it didn't happen during his governance needs to hang his head in shame. I remain ashamed and aghast on every occassion that there is the slightest hint of religious intolerance in India. I am vocal enough to speak out against it and so are millions and millions of other Indians who will ensure that India does not end up in the cesspool of religious and social intolerance which engulfs Pakistan. Sadly for Pakistan however, I and many other sane people in this world strongly believe that the trend is irreversible and that there is no turning back of the clock for you guys. I can only hope that you will prove the world wrong. You should for starters stop looking at India on every ocassion that there is a fcuk up in Pakistan. India is neither your big brother nor your lead in anything. If a thousand Muslims get their heads chopped off in India, by your claim, that will justify a thousand Hindus getting their heads chopped off in Pakistan. Stupid and unbelievable logic if it can be called logic. In your desperation to emulate India, try doing so on the good aspects which makes India what it is. Not the stupid religious competition which you guys seem to have going on.

 

[WAJsal]

Christians and Muslims do some kind of Idol Worship, they even worship normal humans (holy people) knowingly/unknowingly.

how ?

 

[wolfschanzze]

To help propagation of Valentines Day, Sikculars from Bengal have opened up many family businesses.

NIA Probe in Burdwan Finds Jihad a Family Business in West Bengal -The New Indian Express

NIA Probe in Burdwan Finds Jihad a Family Business in West Bengal
By Yatish Yadav

Published: 02nd Nov 2014 06:07:00 AM

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  NIA says what is happening in West Bengal is similar to Syria and Iraq where female jihadis are joining ISIS to carry out terror attacks with their husbands

NEW DELHI: The National Investigation Agency’s (NIA) painstaking probe into the Burdwan module has unmasked 12 “terror couples” who were waging jihad as a family enterprise in West Bengal, with the aim of preparing an army of militants in Murshidabad, Malda and Nadia. The revelation has shocked the security and Intelligence community in India as they see a chilling similarity with what is happening in Iraq and Syria where female jihadis are joining ISIS to carry out terror attacks with their husbands. NIA suspects that these young women acted as talent spotters in three districts of West Bengal. All the women are absconding.

The NIA probe details accessed by The Sunday Standard reveal that Fatima, wife of Sajid, the chief of the Burdwan module, was the lead trainer in Simulia madrasas. Fatima’s terror syllabus was designed by her husband. She taught new female recruits all about IEDs, rifle shooting and violent jihad.

Another terror teacher was Ayesha, wife of absconding terrorist Yusuf. Ayesha was responsible for imparting training in gun shooting. According to NIA sources, the training manual for jihadists included physical training, making sophisticated bombs, attending lectures and screening videos showing messages from terrorist leaders across the globe.

The NIA investigation has revealed that another terror preacher and IED trainer Moina Begum had joined her husband Talha Sheikh at Lalgola terror madrasa in Murshidabad. Talha is considered lead IED expert of JMB terror outfit and had trained Shakil Ahmed, who was killed in Burdwan on October 2 while making bombs. Shakil’s wife Razira Biwi and Alina Biwi, the wife of Hasaan Saheb, who was also killed in the blast, were the only two women to be arrested so far.

Talha is absconding and NIA has announced a reward of `10 lakh to nab the suspected Bangladeshi. Along with Moina Begum, another female jihadi trainer Saira, wife of Suman, was imparting training to female recruits. They used to operate out of Simulia and Lalgola and a defunct factory at Borkhagah in Beldanga, which was also used as a hideout.

Among the lead female jihadi trainers was Samina, wife of Nasirullah. She imparted training in shooting and ideology. Nasirullah is learnt to have prepared over 100 terrorist modules between 2007 and 2011. “The JMB network was looking for more such terror training camps and suspected terrorist Yusuf, resident of Mangalkot, had planned to build a terror camp disguised as a madrasa in Simulia Chatti village. They had purchased the land in 2013 for `8.75 lakh. During the same period, Rashail and Farukh, JMB terrorists from Bangladesh, reached Burdwan and stayed in Simulia and Lalgola,” a NIA source said.

Among the female trainee-turned-jihadi trainers were Alima, wife of JMB terrorist Halan, Khaisha, wife JMB module Naim, Selina Begum wife of Sakib, Bilkis Begum wife of JMB terrorist Kalam, Rafia, wife of JMB trainer Habibur, Khadiza, wife of Sheikh, Sayma, wife of absconding JMB terrorist Latib. The investigators seized four pistols and 39 grenades from Latib’s house. Investigators said the mobile phones seized during searches and raids at residence of suspected terrorists and madrasas in Simulia and Lalgola reveal a wide network of JMB in various states. Sources said calls had been made to suspected terrorists based in Bangladesh, Nepal and Saudi Arabia.

“The numbers appear to be of main conspirators or handlers who provided logistics to Burdwan terror modules,” a source added.

LOVE JIHAD?

BJP claims of a Love Jihad in UP may have fallen flat, but NIA sleuths in Burdwan say the phenomenon is rampant in border villages of West Bengal. “JMB terrorists are targeting young women from under-privileged families to recruit them into the terror network.” Exposing the modus operandi, NIA said these “young women were first motivated through various means like money etc for jihad and persuaded to join madrasas for further studies.” They were later married off either to JMB members from Bangladesh or West Bengal.

Interestingly, a US cable dated December 16, 2005, quoting Inspector General of Police Dilip Mitra, who had pointed out this phenomenon. “On the Indian side of the border in West Bengal, there has been an escalation of violence against Hindus and fatwas threatening moderate voices. Authorities reported an increase in rape cases of Hindu women by Muslim men which they believe is part of the long-term strategy by radical Islamists to gain influence and numbers on the Indian side of the border.” Mitra went as far as to say he believed the de-facto border was some 5-10 km inside India.

Always trust a Bong Bhadralok to jump to the rescue of a Secular in India and here too.

 

[xyxmt]

the bigger question is how they missed the 5%

 

[Iggy]

tell that to the Sikhs, Muslims and Christians that escaped india and took asylum in Canada, Australia and elsewhere

Tell me more about the Christians and Muslims who escaped India and took asylum in Canada? If it is one of your daily farts, then dont bother replying..

 

[Gufi]

Can't blame them...The land which was given in 1947 was given to muslims...If hindus or anyone else have problem, either move OUT or CONVERT!

I have absolutely no sympathies.

that sir is totally wrong.... it is an insult to Islamic ideologies

Look it is something that can be attributed to the current jungle law that is rampant here. Most of the land taken would be encroached by people with business motives and if the survey included Muslims in that area many of them who were weak financially probably had their property stolen also