8th anniversary of Gujarat genocide. Never forget

[tadka]

When your arguing with someone you back your arguments with some proof or something to go along with it... and the word is muslims not "muslime or muslimes"

Don't knw what ur referring to, but Indian GDP is $ 1tr check CIA.gov.
In an earlier thread on this forum where exactly the same map appeared I have mentioned why the figures in this map are absurd. Pls ask mods to dig out that post of mine.

 

[RiazHaq]

Here's Paul Brass, a respected American professor-emeritus at Washington Univ and researcher, taking about "The Production of Hindu-Muslim Violence in Contemporary India ":

Events labelled “Hindu-Muslim riots” have been recurring features in India for three-quarters of a century or more. In northern and western India, especially, there are numerous cities and towns in which riots have become endemic. In such places, riots have, in effect, become a grisly form of dramatic production in which there are three phases: preparation/ rehearsal, activation/enactment, and explanation/interpretation.1 In these sites of endemic riot production, preparation and rehearsal are continuous activities. Activation or enactment of a large-scale riot takes place under particular circumstances, most notably in a context of intense political mobilization or electoral competition in which riots are precipitated as a device to consolidate the support of ethnic, religious, or other culturally marked groups by emphasizing the need for solidarity in face of the rival communal group. The third phase follows after the violence in a broader struggle to control the explanation or interpretation of the causes of the violence. In this phase, many other elements in society become involved, including journalists, politicians, social scientists, and public opinion generally.

At first, multiple narratives vie for primacy in controlling the explanation of violence. On the one hand, the predominant social forces attempt to insert an explanatory narrative into the prevailing discourse of order, while others seek to establish a new consensual hegemony that upsets existing power relations, that is, those which accept the violence as spontaneous, religious, mass-based, unpredictable, and impossible to prevent or control fully. This third phase is also marked by a process of blame displacement in which social scientists themselves become implicated, a process that fails to isolate effectively those most responsible for the production of violence, and instead diffuses blame widely, blurring responsibility, and thereby contributing to the perpetuation of violent productions in future, as well as the order that sustains them.

The Gujarat Pogrom of 2002

 

[tadka]

He is typing from his iphone lol, maybe that is his excuse.

Yea lol ure rt. See how close s ans e is and I have fat thumbs.
But muslime is not bad, sounds very French

 

[Developereo]

what is the justification for Pakistanis talking about it? Whats with your regional Islamic thekedari?

I agree that Pakistan should stay out of India's internal riots.

However, Gujarat was not a communal riot between equal groups of thugs. It was an organized pogrom involving government and security personnel. And police still continue to harass witnesses and activists. As Australian TV (and others) have reported, the criminals not only escaped justice, but are openly bragging about it.

That makes it different.

Lol.. you are only frustrated. Guj riots was not planned or organised by the state.If so why is it that nothing else has happened after 10 years and the imam of ahmedabad praised modi. You are attacking personally and say things lke pathetic. You cannot decetly argue like Jinxed_girl.
But anyways, you can say what you want about guj riots, but now muslims in india are on par with everyone else. they have the same problmes as other indians.
What i am saying is, you people have commited atrocities on hindus. It is your state policy of discriminating against them.Many hindus have been killed by you people and many have been forced to convert and when you have such things going on against your minority dont opke your nose in minority affairs of india.
the 2000 is a lie done by people like roy and setalvad. the numbers are given by central govt which is not the same as guj govt. (you wont understand as you ppl dont have a democracy) and yes it was only a riot.
All people , listen, do you know why police could not do anything, because they could not, they were too ill equipped to handle the mob. They would have been killed had they intervened. It is for the same reason police could not do anything during 26/11. after all what can police who were not prepared do when 1000s of mob people come to kill. thats why they had to wait for army. dont talk if you dont know.

Again with the forced conversion rant? I notice you were unable to provide any proof of your allegations.

In any case, I will trust independent reports by Human Rights Watch and Australian TV rather than the government which organized the massacre in the first place.

 

[tadka]

well it takes one to know one and calm down this is an open forum islam also teaches respect and patience, guess you skipped over that part

Well then the practitioners of Islam have not really learned well especially when it comes to Hindus in their country

 

[Creder]

Well then the practitioners of Islam have not really learned well especially when it comes to Hindus in their country

I dont know about the rest of the hindus but if you dont keep spouting BS here your gonna get it for sure

 

[Creder]

Don't knw what ur referring to, but Indian GDP is $ 1tr check CIA.gov.
In an earlier thread on this forum where exactly the same map appeared I have mentioned why the figures in this map are absurd. Pls ask mods to dig out that post of mine.

Mods have better things to do with their time than to look after your scribbles.. i cant say anything about the figures because i dont know, if you do make sure post a link just to save "some credibility" comprende ?

 

[tadka]

Mods have better things to do with their time than to look after your scribbles.. i cant say anything about the figures because i dont know, if you do make sure post a link just to save "some credibility" comprende ?

indias gdp and population is general knowledge and hence per capita is logic. cant help if you are devoid of both.

 

[tadka]

I agree that Pakistan should stay out of India's internal riots.

However, Gujarat was not a communal riot between equal groups of thugs. It was an organized pogrom involving government and security personnel. And police still continue to harass witnesses and activists. As Australian TV (and others) have reported, the criminals not only escaped justice, but are openly bragging about it.

That makes it different.



Again with the forced conversion rant? I notice you were unable to provide any proof of your allegations.

In any case, I will trust independent reports by Human Rights Watch and Australian TV rather than the government which organized the massacre in the first place.

you scroll to see the links i have posted and try to read if possible. and youll see why i mentioned forced conversion. can t help it you want to behave like an ostrich. Also you can believe aus tv butto me they dont have any credibility.

 

[Creder]

indias gdp and population is general knowledge and hence per capita is logic. cant help if you are devoid of both.

Now that you mention it I just remebered that India's GDP has very little to do with it's population...and just cuz your a pinhead doesn't mean we all are without common sense

 

[jinxeD_girl]

You can only rely on official fig at least in ndia. Otherwise who can u beleive. Will you trust independent sorces if they say only 50 muslims were killed .

Yeah, we never know for sure the real numbers. Official figures usually report low numbers and victims usually try to exaggerate the numbers. Therefore, I don't trust both sources. What about we take average

Sikh victims say = 10,000
Official Report say = 3,000

10,000 + 3,000 / 2 = Approx 6000 Sikhs killed

 

[jinxeD_girl]

Don't knw what ur referring to, but Indian GDP is $ 1tr check CIA.gov.
In an earlier thread on this forum where exactly the same map appeared I have mentioned why the figures in this map are absurd. Pls ask mods to dig out that post of mine.

That map isn't absurd but obsolete. That study on Indian Muslims was done by Times Magazine in 2003...

TIMEasia Magazine: India's Great Divide

and I am sure lots of things have changed by then (like GDP, unemployment etc) .. The reason I posted it here was to show the number of Kashmiris killed. which is again a very low official figure... but atleast it is not coming from Indian or Pakistani website but from some neutral independent study.

 

[Yusuf]

well it takes one to know one and calm down this is an open forum islam also teaches respect and patience, guess you skipped over that part

Respect is something that is in short supply among the Pakistanis, at least in this forum.

 

[Developereo]

you scroll to see the links i have posted and try to read if possible. and youll see why i mentioned forced conversion. can t help it you want to behave like an ostrich. Also you can believe aus tv butto me they dont have any credibility.

I don't like to reply to off-topic posts but, in any case, your claims were already debunked by jinxed_girl. There is no evidence of mass conversions in Pakistan and most of Pakistan's Hindus lived in Bangladesh.

Secondly, the issue is not Australian TV or Nigerian TV but the firsthand interviews with victims and criminals which demolish the official story.

 

[thebrownguy]

The state supported it or not is not an issue here at all. This is a painful chapter in the past and we are not proud of it.
What do you guys even know about the riots? Do you know what incident sparked it? It was an incident involving Muslims, but i am not justifying the events that followed (riots), it is a shameful part of our History.
I am raising this point, because of the biased ideology of some members that only Hindus are communally violent.
Even the muslims in India have moved but you guys clearly have to show your "Thekedari" towards all Muslims.
Or is it because it gives you a chance to bash India, and find an outlet to your jealousy, cause we started together in 1947 and you guys are far behind in th race!!
Please stop in interfering in internal matters of our country. Well the fact of the matter is many muslims in India hate the fact that Pakistan tries to single them out, and express their"concern".
please let people be!