25 top submarine fleets based on quality and quantity

[Penguin]

I decided to make rank similar to my air forces rank. Did not include the SSBN, but did include the SSGN.

SSK

Romeo = 3 points
209-1100, Sauro = 6 points
209-1200, Agosta 70 = 7 points
209-1300 = 8 points
Ula = 9 points
Kilo, Type 209/1400, Agosta 90, TR-1700, Sodermanland = 10 points
Imrpoved Kilo, Gotland, Scorpene, Dolphin, Upholder, Collins = 12 points
Oyashio = 13 points
214 = 14 points
212, Soryu, Yuan = 15 points

SSN

Han = 23 points
671RMTK = 25 points
Rubis = 26 points
Los Angeles, 945, Shang, Trafalgar = 30 points
971 = 32 points
Imrpoved Los Angeles = 35 points
Astute = 37 points
885, Seawolf, Virginia = 40 points

SSGN

Ohio, 949 = 40 points

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Netherlands

Walrus 4

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Results:

1 USA - 2020
2 Russia - 1112
3 China - 708
4 UK - 224
5 Japan - 218
6 India - 162
7 France - 130
8 South Korea - 123
9 Turkey - 122
10 Australia - 72
11 Greece - 63
12 Germany - 60
13 Sweden - 56
14 Italy - 54
15 Norway - 54
16 Brazil - 50
17 Canada - 48
18 Algeria - 44
19 Pakistan - 44
20 Argentine - 36
21 Israel - 36
22 Netherlands - 36
23 Peru - 36
24 Iran - 33
25 South Africa - 33

In very near future Vietnam and Israel will get a serious upgrade.

Argentina' submarine fleet equal to that of Israel (Dolphin and Dolphin AIP: 212 precursor) and the Netherlands!?

Doesn't israel by now have 5 Dolphins
SSK Dolphin Class Submarine - Naval Technology
Israel gets fifth ‘nuclear-capable’ sub — RT News

Just >9< points for the Walrus !?!

Walrus-class submarines are solely operated by the Royal Netherlands Navy (RNLN). They are considered as one of the most advanced non-nuclear attack submarines in the world.

Walrus-Class Submarines - Naval Technology

On Monday 13 May 2013 the Life Extension Program (LEP) for Walrus class submarines has officially started.

During a meeting at the location of the Royal Dutch Navy in Den Helder (the Netherlands), commodore Hans Lodder and Sytze Voulon of Imtech signed the execution order. This order is a follow up of an engineering project of submarines which are about 20 years old. The objective of the Walrus class submarines LEP is to prolong their service life to at least 2025 and to increase their operability in coastal waters.

Subsea World News - Walrus Class Submarines LEP Officially Starts (The Netherlands)

Dutch Submarine Sinks Half of US Navy CTF in 1990 and more

Ocean going, operates from Netherlands in e.g. Caribbean. Here visiting Norfolk USA
Dutch Submarine HNLMS Walrus (S802) Moors in Norfolk

 

[janon]

@500 : There is something wrong (I don't know what) in your rationale for assigning points, if India's underwater force ranks 6th. All I can say is that India is woefully short of submarines, and needs to at least triple its size, given the size of our surface fleet.

Maybe you should also consider each nation's needs. I mean, since India has a long coastline and oceanic area to protect, even if we had twice as many subs, during war they would all be needed to defend, and very few would be available for offense. OTOH, if Israel had 15 subs, they would have more than enough for their needs.

So if you want to know how effective the fleet is for that country, you will have to take such factors into account. Like @Manticore said, a good way to start would be to divide it by the length of the coastline. Other factors include the size and nature of the surface fleet - the bigger those are, the more subs are needed for each task force. India's carrier and escorts need one or two subs permanently with them.

 

[dray]

 

[500]

Argentina' submarine fleet equal to that of Israel (Dolphin and Dolphin AIP: 212 precursor) and the Netherlands!?

Doesn't israel by now have 5 Dolphins
SSK Dolphin Class Submarine - Naval Technology
Israel gets fifth ‘nuclear-capable’ sub — RT News

http://rt.com/news/israel-dolphin-submarine-nuclear-598/
2 Dolphins are on sea trials currently not operational yet. But very soon.

Just >9< points for the Walrus !?!

Walrus-Class Submarines - Naval Technology


Subsea World News - Walrus Class Submarines LEP Officially Starts (The Netherlands)

Dutch Submarine Sinks Half of US Navy CTF in 1990 and more

Your right, I'll upgrade to 12 points.

 

[Targon]

Cool, I checked Air force thread as well, you're doing a good job, care to make 2020s estimations like you did in other thread ? how much you think 6 type 214s would effect the rank of Turkey ?

 

[nana41]

How many points will you give to India's Arihant SSBN??

Take as many as you like,once it is put in the water.

 

[500]

Cool, I checked Air force thread as well, you're doing a good job, care to make 2020s estimations like you did in other thread ? how much you think 6 type 214s would effect the rank of Turkey ?

I bet 6 214 will replace 6 209-1200. Then rank will grow to 164. South Korea will get 3 additional 2014 so their rank will grow to 165. So once again SK and Turkey will be about equal. France will replace 2 Rubis with 2 Barracudas, thus they are going to grow to about 174. India will get 5 additional Scorpene class submarines including 1 AIP. So they are going to grow to 225.

So 2020 rank remains the same:

US
Russia
China
UK = Japan
India
France
South Korea = Turkey

 

[-SINAN-]

Cool, I checked Air force thread as well, you're doing a good job, care to make 2020s estimations like you did in other thread ? how much you think 6 type 214s would effect the rank of Turkey ?

I bet 6 214 will replace 6 209-1200.

214s will begin to replace Atılay class(209-1200) in 2015.

 

[flamer84]

@500 doesn't France have 6 Rubis ?

An improved Kilo=Walrus,Scorpene,Gotland??

 

[Black Eagle 90]

Although KSA and UAE are keen on submarines along with Egypt which can go with Germany over development of 4100 Tons.

 

[My-Analogous]

yes because Bangladeshis cannot detect it.....

Last time i check she is from Israel

I decided to make rank similar to my air forces rank. Did not include the SSBN, but did include the SSGN.

SSK

Romeo = 3 points
209-1100, Sauro = 6 points
209-1200, Agosta 70 = 7 points
209-1300 = 8 points
Ula = 9 points
Kilo, Type 209/1400, Agosta 90, TR-1700, Sodermanland = 10 points
Imrpoved Kilo, Gotland, Scorpene, Dolphin, Upholder, Collins, Walrus = 12 points
Oyashio = 13 points
214 = 14 points
212, Soryu, Yuan = 15 points

SSN

Han = 23 points
671RMTK = 25 points
Rubis = 26 points
Los Angeles, 945, Shang, Trafalgar = 30 points
971 = 32 points
Imrpoved Los Angeles = 35 points
Astute = 37 points
885, Seawolf, Virginia = 40 points

SSGN

Ohio, 949 = 40 points

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USA

Los Angeles 19
Impr Los Angeles 22
Seawolf 3
Virginia 10
Ohio SSGN 4

Russia

971 11
945 4
671RMTK 4
Kilo 17
677 1
949A 8
885 1

China

093 Shang 5
091 Han 3
041 Yuan 12
039 Song 13
Impr Kilo 10
Kilo 2
Romeo 13

UK

Astute 2
Trafalgar 5

France

Rubis 6

Italy

212 2
Sauro 4

Japan

Soryu 5
Oyashio 11

India

971 1
Kilo 9
209-1500 4

Pakistan

Agosta 90B 3
Agosta 70 2

Spain

Agosta 70 3

Germany

212 4

Portugal

214 2

Turkey

209-1200 6
209T1-1400 4
209T2-1400 4

Greece

209-1100 3
209-1200 3
209-1200 AIP 1
214 1

South Korea

209-1200mod 9
214 3

Israel

Dolphin 3

Iran

Kilo 3
Fateh 1

Algeria

Impr Kilo 2
Kilo 2

Vietnam

Impr Kilo 2

Norway

Ula 6

Sweden

Gotland 3
Sodermanland 2

Australia

Collins 6

Brazil

209-1400 5

Argentine

TR-1700 3
209-1100 1

Indonesia

209-1300 2

South Africa

209-1400mod 3

Peru

209-1200 4
209-1100 2

Malaysia

Scorpene 2

Chile

Scorpene 2

Canada

Upholder 4

Taiwan

Zwaardvis 2
Tench 2

Netherlands

Walrus 4

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Results:

1 USA - 2020
2 Russia - 1112
3 China - 708
4 UK - 224
5 Japan - 218
6 India - 162
7 France - 152
8 South Korea - 123
9 Turkey - 122
10 Australia - 72
11 Greece - 63
12 Germany - 60
13 Sweden - 56
14 Italy - 54
15 Norway - 54
16 Brazil - 50
17 Canada - 48
18 Netherlands - 48
19 Algeria - 44
20 Pakistan - 44
21 Peru - 40
22 Argentine - 36
23 Israel - 36
24 Iran - 33
25 South Africa - 33

In very near future Vietnam and Israel will get a serious upgrade.

Kiddo! Keep the good work going

I bet 6 214 will replace 6 209-1200. Then rank will grow to 164. South Korea will get 3 additional 2014 so their rank will grow to 165. So once again SK and Turkey will be about equal. France will replace 2 Rubis with 2 Barracudas, thus they are going to grow to about 174. India will get 5 additional Scorpene class submarines including 1 AIP. So they are going to grow to 225.

So 2020 rank remains the same:

US
Russia
China
UK = Japan
India
France
South Korea = Turkey

What about Pakistan with 6 Yuan-class diesel-electric submarine (SSK) along with AIP

China, Pakistan set for submarine deal by end of year, say officials - IHS Jane's 360

 

[Penguin]

2 Dolphins are on sea trials currently not operational yet. But very soon.

the INS Tanin was delivered to the Israeli Navy in May 2012.The INS Rahav is scheduled to arrive in Israel sometime in 2014 after sea trials and weapons system integration. In February 2012, Germany and Israel also issued a contract for a sixth AIP-equipped Dolphin submarine, which is currently being constructed at the HDW shipyard.

Israel Submarine Capabilities | Articles | NTI Analysis | NTI

 

[500]

u should do a "tank force" too.

I was thinking about it. Not easy to find a reliable data.

Last time i check she is from Israel

Sorry I am male.

What about Pakistan with 6 Yuan-class diesel-electric submarine (SSK) along with AIP

China, Pakistan set for submarine deal by end of year, say officials - IHS Jane's 360

6 Yuan with AIP will add 75 points. If u subtract 2 Agosta 70 (14 points) which may quit service then its +61 points or 105 overall.

Israel Submarine Capabilities | Articles | NTI Analysis | NTI

In may 2012 it was just launched. The delivery was planned in 2013 but then switched to summer 2014.

@500 doesn't France have 6 Rubis ?

Yes, thank u, I corrected.

An improved Kilo=Walrus,Scorpene,Gotland??

Whats wrong?

 

[Penguin]

Whats wrong?

I think that poster meant to say an Improved Kilo is NOT equal to said other subs, specifically 'less than'.

 

[flamer84]

I think that poster meant to say an Improved Kilo is NOT equal to said other subs, specifically 'less than'.

Indeed I did.I remember reading a comparison between the Scorpene specifically and the Varshavyanka 636 focusing on the Malaysian tender in which the Scorpene came ahead.Not the mention that the Malaysian Scorpene lacks the AIP for now to.