2011 Poverty Rates in South Asia

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Bangladesh - Poverty Declined to 31.5 percent in 2010 from 40 percent in 2005

World Bank Source...

Now Indian members will you please update us what is the below poverty line in India at present cause of denying mood of the Indian memebrs.

 

[Loyus]

I am rather surprised by the report, WRT Pakistan's ranking, though it does echo the World Bank's estimates back in 2007. However, the subsequent terrorism, floods, economic recession etc. suggested a marked rise in poverty numbers.

The ranking on gender equality is even more surprising, and IMO illustrates that it is culture, and not religion, that is often the leading contributor to regressive social values.


Indian poverty levels higher than Pakistan's, says UN report - Telegraph

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Dear Agno,

I completely agrre with you on the cultural part. Howveer I would also like to highlight some points on tthe HDI and poverty in India..

1. For a huge country like India with exceptional diversity a single figure like 30-40% poverty or 2.6 fertility rate or low HDI does not work propoerly..
To get into the crux of the matter you have to understand..
Normally each state is a reflection of culture.. although for big states like UP cultural changes are significant especially between East and West UP
So, you have low poverty and good HDI in southern states, West Maharashtra, Punjab, Haryana, Himachal etc..But the major problem is UP and Bihar.. UP is almost the size of Pakistan in terms of population and here again you have diverstity.. Eastern UP is one of the worst places in India..
You know there is a term called BIMARU in India .. it refers to the backward states of India Bihar, UP, Madhya Pradesh, Rajastahn.. Since they consist of more than 40% of India's population..they drag india down..So we should focus here.. Also Bihar and UP with the highest fertility rates is creating imbalance.. So what do you have.. You not only have a huge population but also very backward.. And this things get more weightage in India's rankings.. And this is actually gross injutce to our Southern brothers which are best..
About gender imbalance... If low HDI and high poverty the resuly of political mismanagement, lack of economic opportunties then gender imbalance is completely cultural and delinked from economic condition..... So even rich people commit female foesticide..Mumbai and Delhi are similar in terms of conomic profile.. So why is Delhi so bad towards women and Mumbai safe..It's in the culture.. (I am sorry Delhilites.. Due apology but I say what I see)

 

[Roybot]

The ranking on gender equality is even more surprising, and IMO illustrates that it is culture, and not religion, that is often the leading contributor to regressive social values.

If you look at the Gender Inequality related indicators(page 141), the only area where India lags by a huge margin is, % of Women Parliamentarian. Its 10.7% for India, 18.8% for Bangladesh and 21% for Pakistan.

And that is pretty much the major reason why India is behind Pakistan and Bangladesh in the Gender inequality ranking.

 

[Doctor09]

This is the latest data, do you want me to give you the excel files too?

Look at the rankings on the top, India-134, Bangladesh-146

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Both, number of poor declines, and overall poverty declines.

number of poor declines because poor died because of poverty but overall poverty remain same

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

If you look at the Gender Inequality breakdown, the only area where India lags by a huge margin is, % of Women Parliamentarian. Its 10.7% for India, 18.8% for Bangladesh and 21% for Pakistan.

And that is pretty much the major reason why India is behind Pakistan and Bangladesh in the Gender inequality ranking.

Not really... female child are regularly aborted thinking they are burden, Woman participation in school compared to boys is much lower in india but opposite is the case in Bangladesh, womans are employed more in Bangladesh then in India a and so on.

 

[Loyus]

Not really... female child are regularly aborted thinking they are burden, Woman participation in school compared to boys is much lower in india but opposite is the case in Bangladesh, womans are employed more in Bangladesh then in India a and so on.

That is cultural my dear Sami.. In West Bengal also women are treated better while in some richer states in India women are treated as burden .. please read my reply to Agno

 

[Doctor09]

actually the problem with us is that we dont create jobs by utilizing our resources instead utilizing our resources we sell them to foreign companies .......
for example .... if we take minerals and ores as example and we do mining and then the raw material we get ... we refine it in own country in our own factories then the product that is formed we can sell that in international market ...
By this we can create lot of jobs and lot of money by exports ... 1st we have opportunity of creating jobs in mining ..2nd we run our factories and can create more jobs and then when we export we can make our economy stronger ..... but what we do .... we sell whole mines to foreign companies , they hire their own workers , they take raw material from here and pay us very less amount and then we have to buy same product from international market at much higher rates

 

[Roybot]

Not really... female child are regularly aborted thinking they are burden, Woman participation in school compared to boys is much lower in india but opposite is the case in Bangladesh, womans are employed more in Bangladesh then in India a and so on.

And you are the authority on that? Am quoting from the report once again, not my own views.

Female infanticide is not a criteria for gender inequality according to the UN.

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-Difference in the % of Men and Women who have passed secondary: India (-24.8%), Pakistan( -23.3%), Bangladesh( -8.5%)

So yes here Bangladesh is definitely doing better

--Labour force difference Men and Women %: India(-48.3%), Pakistan( -53.3%), Bangladesh (-23.8%)

But there are other areas in which India has better figures which sorta evens out these ones.

Maternal mortality rate: India(230), Pakistan(260), Bangladesh (340)

Contraceptive Prevalence: India(54%), Pakistan(30%), Bangladesh(53%)

At least one Antenatal Visit: India(75%), Pakistan(61%), Bangladesh(51%)

Skilled Health Professional: India(53%), Pakistan(39%), Bangladesh(24%)

Total fertility rate: India(2.5), Pakistan (3.2), Bangladesh(2.2)

 

[Pfpilot]

Poverty is too crucial an issue to be arguing over. In my opinion, it is the most telling example of system the British left behind, where two nuclear powers have millions of people who cant even afford housing. Even in India, where the economy is expanding rapidly, the capitalistic nature of these gains prevent the money from trickling past the corporate giants. There is a natural trickle down affect that takes years, but tell that to some poor person who is starving to death at this very moment.
Pakistan faces the same problems, but our economy has stagnated over the past few years, eliminating, even the optimism of the trickle down affect. The reason I mentioned the British was the system they ruled with: providing education and power to a few elites and letting them keep the rest of the population down. They left, but those same elites remained in power; these people have little interest in letting the common man rise and take a slice of pie they consider their own.
Education is key to reducing poverty levels, but in Pakistan, so few people have access to high level education that it naturally handicaps a great percentage of the population from ever fighting their way out of poverty. Corruption doesn't help, but there simply aren't enough educated Pakistanis out there to truly challenge the elite...against money, the only leverage is overwhelming numbers.

 

[Loyus]

actually the problem with us is that we dont create jobs by utilizing our resources instead utilizing our resources we sell them to foreign companies .......
for example .... if we take minerals and ores as example and we do mining and then the raw material we get ... we refine it in own country in our own factories then the product that is formed we can sell that in international market ...
By this we can create lot of jobs and lot of money by exports ... 1st we have opportunity of creating jobs in mining ..2nd we run our factories and can create more jobs and then when we export we can make our economy stronger ..... but what we do .... we sell whole mines to foreign companies , they hire their own workers , they take raw material from here and pay us very less amount and then we have to buy same product from international market at much higher rates

Doctor, it is not so easy..
What you just mentioned is moving up the value chain..
To extract , refine, purify minerals you need to have technology and expertise..
And further up you create cars, builiding materials etc etc to move up the value chain and you need more expertise..
Having minerals is not enough you need to have the knowhow..
Take the example of Japan..
It is short on resources like iron but produce world class steel..
How do you build expertise..
Education and R&D..
Also buying technology from friendly countries is good too..
But how do you create giant factories after you got R&D and knwohow
You need money..
The Governemtn sets up or invite FDI..
Doctor..
Foreign investment is not bad.. You just have to use it to your benefit..
No body comes with the mentality of exploiting others
They come for profit
And it is for your Govt to make it win win for you

 

[Doctor09]

Doctor, it is not so easy..
What you just mentioned is moving up the value chain..
To extract , refine, purify minerals you need to have technology and expertise..
And further up you create cars, builiding materials etc etc to move up the value chain and you need more expertise..
Having minerals is not enough you need to have the knowhow..
Take the example of Japan..
It is short on resources like iron but produce world class steel..
How do you build expertise..
Education and R&D..
Also buying technology from friendly countries is good too..
But how do you create giant factories after you got R&D and knwohow
You need money..
The Governemtn sets up or invite FDI..
Doctor..
Foreign investment is not bad.. You just have to use it to your benefit..
No body comes with the mentality of exploiting others
They come for profit
And it is for your Govt to make it win win for you

i am not good in economy this is what i think i posted .... but thanks you describe each and everything efficiently
but what i got from your description that its all due to planning of Govt how they manage things so that resources are utilized efficiently ..... but its a sad fact that in south asia majority of our leaders are corrupt

 

[Roybot]

Bangladesh - Poverty Declined to 31.5 percent in 2010 from 40 percent in 2005

World Bank Source...

Now Indian members will you please update us what is the below poverty line in India at present cause of denying mood of the Indian memebrs.

That's your National Poverty line. Not same as below $1.25.

 

[TopCat]

Am only quoting the rankings to show that this is the latest data. If the data was old, India'a ranking would be 119 and not 134. I have the report right here infront of me. Feel free to live in denial.

Both the figures for below $1.25 dollar poverty line and Multidimensional poverty figure, India is better place than Bangladesh.

Anyways I don't believe mocking poverty. Just setting the record straight. Once again the data is the latest release from UN.

Historically poverty rate of Bangladesh and erstwhile Eastbengal was way above than India due to less urbanization and history of 150 years of property/landless people. Then again the political and economic unstability in Pakistan which further deteriorated the situation. Throuhout the history of Pakistan era, East Pakistan's per capita income fell every year and it was only in 1960s under Ayub Khan it found a upward trend yet by 1971 it was still less than 1947. 70's and 80's were really trying years for Bangladesh and were reshaping as a country rather working on economic development.

It is only recently when BD's rate of urbanization and rate of falling poverty shown some good result. We have now the fastest growing urban population, fastest growin industrial workforce and fastest reduction of poverty rate in South Asia. So you should not be surprised in seeing some of the numbers look better than India and it will continue. You may have the better per capita income but when comes to rate of poverty reduction and change of profession of the agro people, and the rate of urbanization, it is Bangladesh which is doing far better than India.

My 2 cents

 

[Doctor09]

guys the problem is not that how many living below poverty line but the problem is if there are only less than 2% living below poverty line then we have to think that why its so and where problem lies and what we can do to improve their standard of living

 

[ramu]

Historically poverty rate of Bangladesh and erstwhile Eastbengal was way above than India due to less urbanization and history of 150 years of property/landless people. Then again the political and economic unstability in Pakistan which further deteriorated the situation. Throuhout the history of Pakistan era, East Pakistan's per capita income fell every year and it was only in 1960s under Ayub Khan it found a upward trend yet by 1971 it was still less than 1947. 70's and 80's were really trying years for Bangladesh and were reshaping as a country rather working on economic development.

It is only recently when BD's rate of urbanization and rate of falling poverty shown some good result. We have now the fastest growing urban population, fastest growin industrial workforce and fastest reduction of poverty rate in South Asia. So you should not be surprised in seeing some of the numbers look better than India and it will continue. You may have the better per capita income but when comes to rate of poverty reduction and change of profession of the agro people, and the rate of urbanization, it is Bangladesh which is doing far better than India.

My 2 cents

And yet you accuse your government of being a dalal and do not remotely attribute this to anything the government has done.\

Surprising .... Well done Hasina ji !