2011 Poverty Rates in South Asia

[danger007]

First read whats written in that article...

Yaa yaa .. ATTENTION.. blah blah blahh.....


GFY is go and find yourself.

note down new abbreviation friend. sick people only can think like that.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Anyway 78% of the Indian poor is concentrated in only 7 or 8 states. What do you think what can be the future scenario on these? Do not think these can lead to the massive destabilization of India in the future? N the present system in India do you thin enough to elevate this poor people out of poverty as India is not a society make of same group of people and they usually goes by their own tradition and system.

 

[SpArK]

Frontline medias are looking to
Understimate the poverty rates.
Credible articles online are hardly available to compare the
Kings and pauper differences in the society.

Ongoing discussions are good to
Find what Indias economy has
Fared in these recession years.

As far as i know
Some elements in political circles have
Scratched the very basic progress indicators
However, the future looks bright but
Only concern remains the
Large corruption that looming in the
Elite class of society.

 

[Ambitious449]

Anyway 78% of the Indian poor is concentrated in only 7 or 8 states. What do you think what can be the future scenario on these? Do not think these can lead to the massive destabilization of India in the future? N the present system in India do you thin enough to elevate this poor people out of poverty as India is not a society make of same group of people and they usually goes by their own tradition and system.

It will take some time but yes we will achieve this goal.

 

[harshad]

Anyway 78% of the Indian poor is concentrated in only 7 or 8 states. What do you think what can be the future scenario on these? Do not think these can lead to the massive destabilization of India in the future? N the present system in India do you thin enough to elevate this poor people out of poverty as India is not a society make of same group of people and they usually goes by their own tradition and system.

bihar is doing good development these days,other will hopefully follow(hope mayawati goes out of power)

 

[danger007]

sami you are living in canada not in Bangladesh. May be you forget about Bangladesh. why richie rich Bangladeshis migrating illegally to India????

 

[Roybot]

I always see bhartis like you remain always in denial mode despite being rebutted on the same topics

Alright Bangladeshi listen up, I ll do this for you one more time.

Let me remind you how this thread started, you posted the 31% figure for Bangladesh and the you put the 41.6% for India to compare it and was being all smug about it. If you didn't unnecessarily drag India into this, no one would have bothered you.

-- Firstly, 2011 Human development report 2011, did not have the 31% figure. It uses the latest BPL rate from between 2000-2009, which was 49.6% for Bangladesh and 41.6% for India.

-- So find me UNDP news release/ report for the latest BPL figures for both India and Bangladesh and then compare, if you must compare at all.
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couple of days earlier where I have said clearly it is because Bangladesh government provide subsidy to all level of people be they rich or poor and that is why it raises the purchasing power of the all level of people. Suppose couple of days earlier I have read that in the international market Bangladesh buy rice @38 taka per kg but sell it in the local market @28 taka per kg. That is why in 2005 despite 49% people were below 1.25 dollar earning due to government subsidy the real number was 40% and now it has reduced to 31.5%. Bangladesh government provide around 6 billion usd subsidy on food and fuel alone.

And you think Indian government doesn't provide subsidies? 2011-2012 Indian government Budget: 27 Billion USD for food and fuel subsidy.
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N please do not post the data that you are keep on posting as that has been the data of 2007 as it is indicated in the report which infact is the data just forwarded from 2005.

Bangladesh's poverty rate declines sharply: UNDP|chinadaily.com.cn

http://www.bssnews.net/newsDetails.php?cat=0&id=210031$date=2011-11-03&dateCurrent=2011-11-04

I don't care who publishes the news. If they are saying that according to the UNDP Human Development Report 2011 its 31%, I should be able to find that figure in the report!

http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDR_2011_EN_Complete.pdf

Here's the report, find it for me.

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If you are so keen on comparing the poverty levels,

Compare the,

<$1.25 PPP per day, India(41.6%, 2009), Bangladesh (49.6%, 2009)

Or compare the national poverty line.

tldr, that 31% figure is not for below $1.25 PPP/day. Its your national upper poverty line.


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P.S: If you are going to be rude with your replies then don't bother.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

sami you are living in canada not in Bangladesh. May be you forget about Bangladesh. why richie rich Bangladeshis migrating illegally to India????

We had a lots of discussion on illegal immigration. So before doing any discussion I will ask you to provide any government stat and figures which is stating the illegal migration of Bangladesh. If not then please keep these rant with you as there is no credibility of the radical hindu politicians claim.

Yes there are very few migrants but most of them migrated due to cheat and fraud by indian agents or false hope provided to them by their Indian relatives.They sold all of their property to go to India but they are poorest of the poor.

Couple of facts that busted the big myth of 20 million Indians.

1. In bangladesh population increases gradually every year. N in no where there are any sign of reduction of people as 20 million represents almost 13% of people of Bangladesh if really would have migrated there would be a big void in Bangladesh that never happened.

2. All the bordering regions living standard is lower then Bangladesh. It does not make sense for people to migrate to these regions. If you say they migrate to delhi or mumbai, It does not hold much ground as poor people does not have these much money to go a complete unknown place spending such a big amount (giving bribe to the BSF and Dalals, transport cost, living cost for the initial couple of weeks etc.). If anyone have really have that much money they can go to middle east or at least come to dhaka for better livelihood.

3. 40 million means around 5000 people crossed border daily in the last 40 years ... what is the BSF was doing. If really they crossed the border do you no think you should abolish this useless org.

4. Neither Congress or BJP ever raised the illegal migration issue to Bangladesh ... let alone 20 million claim. What BJP do is just raise the claim just before election time to discriminate against the bengali speaking muslim indians for their vote bank politics and blame it on Congress for these groups support as they are supporting illegal migrants. But in reality muslims in India mostly support congress.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Alright Bangladeshi listen up, I ll do this for you one more time.

Let me remind you how this thread started, you posted the 31% figure for Bangladesh and the you put the 41.6% for India to compare it and was being all smug about it. If you didn't unnecessarily drag India into this, no one would have bothered you.

-- Firstly, 2011 Human development report 2011, did not have the 31% figure. It uses the latest BPL rate from between 2000-2009, which was 49.6% for Bangladesh and 41.6% for India.

-- So find me UNDP news release/ report for the latest BPL figures for both India and Bangladesh and then compare, if you must compare at all.
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And you think Indian government doesn't provide subsidies? 2011-2012 Indian government Budget: 27 Billion USD for food and fuel subsidy.
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I don't care who publishes the news. If they are saying that according to the UNDP Human Development Report 2011 its 31%, I should be able to find that figure in the report!

http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDR_2011_EN_Complete.pdf

Here's the report, find it for me.

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If you are so keen on comparing the poverty levels,

Compare the,

<$1.25 PPP per day, India(41.6%, 2009), Bangladesh (49.6%, 2009)

Or compare the national poverty line.

tldr, that 31% figure is not for below $1.25 PPP/day. Its your national upper poverty line.


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P.S: If you are going to be rude with your replies then don't bother.

Are you a mental or what??? or Have you even read what i posted.

THIS IS THE LAST TIME I AM BUSTING YOU... GO TO PAGE 151 OF THE REPORT IT IS CLEARLY MENTIONED THERE IT IS THE DATA OF 2007, WHICH IN REALITY THE DATA OF 2005.

n Regarding $1.25 dollar purchasing power parity ... I have said repeatedly it is also same for Bangladesh but it is showing little less then the World Bank data as in Bangladesh government subsidy has been taken in to account which increases general peoples earning power despite their real income may be little less. That is why it was 40% of poor in Bangladesh based on government estimate instead of 49% and Now it is 31%. Both the study or survey what ever government has conducted is fully done along with WB. N prices of necessary stuff is much cheaper in Bangladesh then in India. These also has a effect while calculating the poverty rate.

N As far as I know if you compare that amount of 6 billion with Indian poulation it should be 50 billion USD for India. I do not think Indian government provide subsidy on oil and food worth 50 billion USD and India provide all the subsidy to people BPL but Bangladesh government provide it to all level of people.


N not only Bangladeshi Daily but also many International News had published the news. N it is even also by China Daily or Xinhua .... they would not publish it without verification.


N as you are in complete denial mode I hope you will also deny it that Indian news paper reported Bangladesh's HDI better then WB, BIHAR, UTTARPRADESH, ANDHRA PRADESH , ARNAKATA ETC.

These facts has not been there in the report. Does it mean Indian news paper got a horn in their head and they have published it without reality? But they have said all these while launching the same report ... but these are not mentioned in the report.

Tehelka - India's Independent Weekly News Magazine

Ramesh also said &#8220;Sri Lanka ranks higher than India in terms of human development but is a disaster when it comes to economic growth&#8221;. On Bangladesh, &#8220;Its indicators are better than West Bengal, Uttar Pradesh and Bihar&#8221; and he expressed shock while detailing that its indicators were better than Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka.


Same case also apply to the case of Bangladesh.

I have busted you couple of time already. Now do not come with the 2007/2005 data again.

 

[karan.1970]

I have busted you couple of time already. Now do not come with the 2007/2005 data again.

And what is your source of data ?? Not the news headline but the report and its source of data..

 

[fd24]

Want to ask one question - Whats the big fascination about knocking each others poverty rates? Does it improve the figures of your own country. Childish immature. Grow up.
In all our nations we have a horrible high figure of persons suffering from poverty. Lets get a grip and stop making cheap snidey comments about poverty. Not big

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

And what is your source of data ?? Not the news headline but the report and its source of data..

UNDP country director Stefan Priesner has said it while launching the report but he has pointed some concern...

http://www.bssnews.net/newsDetails.php?cat=0&id=210031$date=2011-11-03&dateCurrent=2011-11-04

The UNDP country director, however, pointed out that there are some areas of concern requiring further attention to achieve targeted progress in human development. According to him, environmental degradation should be addressed with more targeted initiatives to offset its impact on life and livelihood.

Referring to the findings of the report, he said the climate change is posing more threat to the poor segment of the society than the well-off people.

The report that i have posted where UNDP also pointed some areas where poverty is higher..

Poverty declines to 31 pct: UN | | bdnews24.com

"There are some growth centres where it fell significantly but there are also some pockets like coastal or char areas where poverty is (still) rampant," said UNDP country director Stefan Priesner at the launch of the report on Thursday.

 

[Roybot]

Are you a mental or what??? or Have you even read what i posted.

THIS IS THE LAST TIME I AM BUSTING YOU... GO TO PAGE 151 OF THE REPORT IT IS CLEARLY MENTIONED THERE IT IS THE DATA OF 2007, WHICH IN REALITY THE DATA OF 2005.

n Regarding $1.25 dollar purchasing power parity ... I have said repeatedly it is also same for Bangladesh but it is showing little less then the World Bank data as in Bangladesh government subsidy has been taken in to account which increases general peoples earning power despite their real income may be little less. That is why it was 40% of poor in Bangladesh based on government estimate instead of 49% and Now it is 31%. Both the study or survey what ever government has conducted is fully done along with WB. N prices of necessary stuff is much cheaper in Bangladesh then in India. These also has a effect while calculating the poverty rate.

You are a joke mate.

IDGAF if Bangladesh's poverty is 31% and IDGAF if Bangladesh is richer than India, good for you lots.

The only issues I have,

-UNDP HD 2011 report, doesn't say that Bangladesh's poverty is 31%, contrary to what your little newspapers are claiming. It says its 49.6%(Based on the most recent data available for any year in between 2000-2009), already said that in my last post! So you are not busting anything!

- If that news reports have said that Bangladesh's poverty is 31% according to some other xyz report, I wouldn't have an issue.

- You were using India's outdated data of 41.6%((Based on the latest data available for any year in between 2000-2009) to compare it with the latest local data for Bangladesh(31%). You go all ape sh*t crazy about the old data for Bangladesh, but you have no issues using the same for India.

You compare old data with old data, and latest data with latest. As simple as that.

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Thats all I got to say, don't bother replying, its getting tedious and am too drunk for this.

later.

 

[Doctor09]

MODS kindly close this thread there is no positive sign for positive discussion
BTW every all three countries Pakistan , India and Bangladesh suffering from poverty and no one can say that other is more poor.... poor is always poor it does not say less poor or more poor .............. saying other that you are more poor will not reduce your own poverty ..............
So guys peace and have healthy discussion

 

[fd24]

UNDP country director Stefan Priesner has said it while launching the report but he has pointed some concern...

http://www.bssnews.net/newsDetails.php?cat=0&id=210031$date=2011-11-03&dateCurrent=2011-11-04

The UNDP country director, however, pointed out that there are some areas of concern requiring further attention to achieve targeted progress in human development. According to him, environmental degradation should be addressed with more targeted initiatives to offset its impact on life and livelihood.

Referring to the findings of the report, he said the climate change is posing more threat to the poor segment of the society than the well-off people.

The report that i have posted where UNDP also pointed some areas where poverty is higher..

Poverty declines to 31 pct: UN | | bdnews24.com

"There are some growth centres where it fell significantly but there are also some pockets like coastal or char areas where poverty is (still) rampant," said UNDP country director Stefan Priesner at the launch of the report on Thursday.

okay samy davis junior - India is very poverty, Pakistan is very poverty and Bangladesh is supreme kings of the world and extremely rich and happy and great - lets all go to Bangladesh and eat till we are content. Happy? Great - now put sock in mouth.